Obama seeks cuts and higher taxes

Facetious

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That's right mr. p:clown:tus, spend - spend - spend to your hearts delight , induce as many people as possible to become lifetime government dependents, then, when your party finally gets around to drafting a budget, you force the productive members of society (the private sector) to pay down the costs of your idiot programs. Just brilliant you doofus, you're everything I had anticipated you'd be . . . fuckin guy has been moochin off of the taxpayers all his life, that's all he knows is another grant program.


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fuckin guy has been moochin off of the taxpayers all his life, that's all he knows is another grant program.

You are correct, and sadly, you also just described 95% of the people in the Washington DC area.:cool:
 
Are you all so bitter that "if I can't have it, no one can" describes your lifestyle?
You have it ass-backwards, that's the mindset of those whining about the taxes. I don't hate people of affluence, I just think they are being crybabies about it. Buck up.
 
I don't hate people of affluence, I just think they are being crybabies about it. Buck up.

Actually, they're not the ones who are constantly blathering on this...ever notice it's always GOPer politicians and their non-rich followers who you always hear dropping the tax catch phrases....

The overwhelming majority of the wealthy who aren't politicking NEVER say anything about taxes...especially at the rates they've been the last 20 years.

I haven't read the proposal but if it merely amounts to undoing the tax cuts enacted on the to 2 pct under Bush...or even a marginal increase over that....it would be hard to argue those tax cuts had a demonstrable positive effect on the econ.
 
How is this going to affect you directly? Don't say "we the tax payers blahblahblah" because it's really disingenuous. You don't even know why you're upset about the tax increase. In the great scope of things, you're not going to suffer...at all. Not even the 2%.
 
No, you and Pete are wrong. I don't know why you even made one comment.

Just agree to disagree and pay money you could keep yourself. :hatsoff:

I am glad you know I love the truth. :hatsoff:

We are to agree to disagree. :tongue:

No. We are not going to agree to disagree, as I said before. Let's look at one of your earlier posts:

High taxes, illegal taxes, and socialists programs never help a country.

1. Everyone acknowledges that taxes will almost certainly go up, no one has a better solution. Even with spending cuts, the economy needs an influx of income. What would you do that would be better than a minor tax raise?

2. Income tax is not illegal. You have not proved that they are, you have simply asked me to agree to disagree. I don't agree to that - you are simply wrong. All people earning income in the USA are legally compelled to pay income tax. Hard to imagine that a legally obligatory tax is illegal, wouldn't you say? Also, if you look at your post, you say illegal taxes. You've only mentioned income tax, about which you are incorrect. Which other taxes are supposedly illegal? Could you list some for me?

3. I have asked you several times to name the "socialists programs" that have been enacted. Could you, with proof, please show me how that is in any way true? There have been no such programs enacted.

It is very easy to sling language like yours around. Now step up and show some solid proof for your outrageous statements.

Keep in mind, before you report this post, that this is not flaming. This is me responding to a conversation that you started.
 
Income tax for one.

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Facetious or someone can add to this long list when they come on.

You do realize those articles are editorials right?
 

Kingfisher

Here Zombie, Zombie, Zombie...
Well if this doesn't sicken everybody, I'm not sure what will.

"A strong wave of populist outrage greeted last month's news that G.E.--in addition to paying no income tax on $5.1 billion in U.S. profits--received a $3.2 billion tax refund from the government."

Some pranksters took them down a notch, and if they don't do something positive, they'll look like even more the pieces of shit that they are.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelo...hoax-press-release-targets-ge-tax-controversy
 

John_8581

FreeOnes Lifetime Member

Mr. Will E. Worm... two questions for you.

1. Do you have a valid social security number?

2. Do you work for a common wage, or salary? Whereby you get a Form W-2 issued to you at year end?

Now try not filing a federal tax return. As they (the Internal Revenue Service) will in about 3 years ... file one for you, depending on all the income that been reported to you.

With penalties and interest, they will bury you, first by putting a levy out there, based on your SSN, then if that's not sufficient; a federal lien. A federal lien is the worst thing possible. Your credit if it's not in bad shape already, it will be worse. You won't be able to buy a house or car, until the lien is lifted. And only they have the power to clear it. Eventually, the IRS will be also be garnishing your wages, and salary.
 
No. Income tax is legally compulsory. What nation, do you suppose, is going to be able to provide any kind of infrastructure or government without it? I entirely understand that you hate the government, but you simply can not get away with not paying taxes. It's illegal to not pay taxes. You'll go to jail. Seems to me that pretty much negates your argument about income tax being illegal.

Also, the sources you quote are not terribly credible. And your statement about Fascism makes your post even more ridiculous. Please.

Further, what "socialists programs" have been introduced, if you please?

You have to remember that the method used by Willie is by decree not logical reasoning.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
I'm with Will on this one.
Its just bullshit.
the gov has a very precise plan to put almost everybody in the poorhouse one day and dependent on it ........save a few mega billionares.
don't matter if the prez is an elephant or a jack ass.
 

Petra

Cult Mother and Simpering Cunt
As he's seeking cuts, as you say, it isn't the typical tax and spend plan, actually. He's looking to cut spending.

Yes, he's going to increase taxes. Who can blame him? The government needs money. Don't like it? Go to a different country. See if you can find one with the same quality of life that has lower taxes.

Moving to another country doesn't help. US citizens are obligated to still report/pay taxes even if they didn't earn a dime of US income in a tax year. :mad:

Yea, we aren't taxed on the first $92k of our worldwide income for 2011 but we still have to file and someone over at the IRS still has to do the processing.

Think of how much money the US could save if they'd be reasonable like other countries that only care about those that actually work on the country's own soil.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Moving to another country doesn't help. US citizens are obligated to still report/pay taxes even if they didn't earn a dime of US income in a tax year. :mad:

Yea, we aren't taxed on the first $92k of our worldwide income for 2011 but we still have to file and someone over at the IRS still has to do the processing.

Think of how much money the US could save if they'd be reasonable like other countries that only care about those that actually work on the country's own soil.

:eek:
are you shittin me? (spoken with a very strong southern drawl)
 
Moving to another country doesn't help. US citizens are obligated to still report/pay taxes even if they didn't earn a dime of US income in a tax year. :mad:

Yea, we aren't taxed on the first $92k of our worldwide income for 2011 but we still have to file and someone over at the IRS still has to do the processing.Think of how much money the US could save if they'd be reasonable like other countries that only care about those that actually work on the country's own soil.


That's true for the income tax but you must pay the self employment tax(social security & medicare) on all earned income if you are self employed.
Ask Geithner about it.
 

Petra

Cult Mother and Simpering Cunt
That's true for the income tax but you must pay the self employment tax(social security & medicare) on all earned income if you are self employed.
Ask Geithner about it.

Self employment has different rules. They still get the tax exclusion (if they were out of the US for more than 360 days of the year), but are responsible for SS + medicare even on the excluded amount.

If you're a bonafide employee and are subject to the country's tax rules, you're exempt from paying SS & Medicare. Otherwise it would be double taxation.

But anything that goes over that exclusion amount is fair game for uncle sam...and for a lot of us it won't be too long until we hit it with the way the dollar is plummiting.
 
I think spending cuts are definitely in order. However, the first thing that should be cut is the Bush tax cuts. That revenue is needed and I don't believe it is crippling. I don't remember seeing any metrics showing that it actually stimulated the economy.
 

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Obama Cabinet Ethics: Tom Daschle & Nancy Killefer nominations Ended Due to Tax Troubles
No matter what “The One” says … There are two sets of rules, one for prominent people and one for ordinary folks who have to pay their taxes. Obama nominees Bill Richardson, Tom Daschle and Nancy Killefer all out of Obama Cabinet on ethics issues.

...President Barack Obama had promised the most transparent and ethical administration ever. So far he cannot even get through the vetting process without numerous issues with his nominees. Obama’s recent disastrous political choice of nominees has left “The One” to only make one comment … “I screwed up.” So much for that ethical high ground that Obama talked about for 2+ years during the campaign. It would appear that of Obama had really wanted to be ethical, he would have never have nominated them in the first place, not wait until the fire storm began opposing his cabinet choices.

...Yesterday, House and Human Services nominee Tom Daschle’s appointment ended before it began due to his tax troubles. However, it was not just Daschle who removed his name from consideration, it was Obama nominee Nancy Killefer as well. What was her issue, taxes of course. Obama talks about how it is important not “to send message that there aren’t two sets of rules – you know, one for prominent people and one for ordinary folks who have to pay their taxes.” Really, if that is the case President Obama, why did Timothy Geithner get a pass? Are you saying that Geithner did not get rewarded for his bad behavior because of two sets of rules? One might say that Geithner, who has been heralded as the only may in the United States who can fix our economy, should have know better than Tom Daschle and paid his taxes.

..Barack Obama on Tuesday gave up his nomination fight for Tom Daschle and a second high-profile appointee who failed to pay all their taxes, fearing ugly confirmation battles that would undercut his claims to ethical high ground and cripple his presidency in just its second week. “I screwed up,” he declared.

..“It’s important for this administration to send a message that there aren’t two sets of rules – you know, one for prominent people and one for ordinary folks who have to pay their taxes,” Obama said in one of a series of interviews with TV anchors.

“I’m frustrated with myself, with our team. … I’m here on television saying I screwed up,” Obama said in an interview on NBC’s “Nightly News with Brian Williams.” He repeated virtually the same words in several other interviews.

BTW, did anyone catch the comment made by Obama,“We were just tired of being in the White House.” Didn’t he just get there?


Did the Daschle debacle really humble Obama or did it just teach him a lesson that even the Obamamessiah cannot get away with everything? Humbled no, embarrassed yes! No one has told Obama no since he began his run for the White House. He was given a free ride at every turn. Now, Obama actually faces some obstacles and reacts to the pressure. So with all the happenings that occurred on Obama’s rockiest day as President, he did his best version of a Southwest commercial … Wanna Get Away. Barack, this is hardly going to be your most trying time as President, one may want to show a bit for fortitude in the face of difficulty. When the going gets tough, leave?

On the rockiest day of his young administration, President Barack Obama did what surely made him happy for a while.

He left.

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Well, there's four rather wealthy left leaning individuals who don't pay their taxes, kinda makes you wonder if any prominent beltway-ivy leaguer-intellectual-libs pay their fair share of the tax burden . . . it doesn't appear that way, does it?
 
I think spending cuts are definitely in order. However, the first thing that should be cut is the Bush tax cuts. That revenue is needed and I don't believe it is crippling. I don't remember seeing any metrics showing that it actually stimulated the economy.

I haven't seen anything anecdotal or otherwise that makes the case for keeping the tax cuts for the top 2% under the circumstances.

The ideological tax cut premise always seems to fall back on the bogus notion that Reagan's tax cuts (virtually alone) stimulated the economy.

But it would be nice if we could wrap up our deployment in Afghanistan.
 
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