Muslims Attack Free Speech Artist

[Lonilover]

Talk about putting your head in the sand. I guess Theo Van Gogh's murder was just a murder? Was it meant to send a message? To silence? To terrify people into behaving a certain way?


Go ahead lilswede.

you're completely right, but for some people they can't think further then their noses.. the message of the murder from Theo van Gogh was Clear, also the message from 11/9 in New York, or the attack in London or Madrid.. the list goes on and on.... but many people just don't get the message. (maybe they are asleep ? :dunno: )

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

you're completely right, but for some people they can't think further then their noses.. the message of the murder from Theo van Gogh was Clear, also the message from 11/9 in New York, or the attack in London or Madrid.. the list goes on and on.... but many people just don't get the message. (maybe they are asleep ? :dunno: )

They don't want to listen, because the tune they want and expect to hear (western malevolence and non-western moral superiority despite it's victimization) is playing backwards.

 

[habo9]

Stories like this , really , really , really , really fucking annoy me

Britain is a joke

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8688501.stm

The government should tell the Immigration Commision to go FUCK themselves & drop these two off the highest cliff they can find

Poor little guys will face terror and torture if they go back to Pakistan

The irony here is unbelievabale

 

[sualcalay]

I am just wondering why a body can't question something that does not exist.:dunno:

Humans have been questioning something that doesn't exist. Even in the bible you can see that most don't believe in God.

 

[sualcalay]

I sware, religion makes people so hypocritical! Humanity will never learn to love.

I'm not hypocritical...it is true many religious people are, but who is to say that without religion they wouldn't be hypocritical? Not to mention you're dead wrong, humanity does know how to love, they just choose not to do so because it's easier to hate. Don't start acting as if you've never met or heard of people who are decent and fair.

 

[rintoe]

If I recall correctly, as late as the late 19th century (more than 1200 years after the life of Muhammed) the age of consent in most of the United States (and I believe the UK as well) was 10 years old.

The age of consent in the UK in the 19th century most certainly was NOT 10 years old!

 

[sualcalay]

As for what the muslims did in Sweden, I'm sure Sweden will they something about it if they can, either deporting the culprits or sentencing them to death or whatever, and if they don't Swedish people should start to question their Government's decisions in my opinion.

And as for the bashing on islam, come on guys, I thought people were over this shit already. Some like it, some don't and that's that. If a country doesn't like islamic people they are more than free to start deporting, after all no one should be able to put up with shit they don't want...is that not so?

 

[Ulysses31]

The age of consent in the UK in the 19th century most certainly was NOT 10 years old!

In the UK the age of consent was set at 12 in 1275 then lowered to 10 towards the end of the 16th century. It remained this way until 1875 when the age was raised to 13 (Offences against the Person Act 1875) due to a large number of girls aged under 13 sold into brothels, this was then raised to 16 in 1885 (Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885). I think all this child bride stuff relating to people over 1000 years ago (even 500 years ago) is pretty pointless as we all know women had no rights in those days and most men got what they wanted, the thinking was that people became adults once they hit puberty rather than a specific age (boys and girls can still be early/late developers). I'm just saying how it was and not how it should be.

 

[sualcalay]

In the UK the age of consent was set at 12 in 1275 then lowered to 10 towards the end of the 16th century. It remained this way until 1875 when the age was raised to 13 (Offences against the Person Act 1875) due to a large number of girls aged under 13 sold into brothels, this was then raised to 16 in 1885 (Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885). I think all this child bride stuff relating to people over 1000 years ago (even 500 years ago) is pretty pointless as we all know women had no rights in those days and most men got what they wanted, the thinking was that people became adults once they hit puberty rather than a specific age (boys and girls can still be early/late developers). I'm just saying how it was and not how it should be.

Exactly that.

 

[ballzano]

In the UK the age of consent was set at 12 in 1275 then lowered to 10 towards the end of the 16th century. It remained this way until 1875 when the age was raised to 13 (Offences against the Person Act 1875) due to a large number of girls aged under 13 sold into brothels, this was then raised to 16 in 1885 (Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885). I think all this child bride stuff relating to people over 1000 years ago (even 500 years ago) is pretty pointless as we all know women had no rights in those days and most men got what they wanted, the thinking was that people became adults once they hit puberty rather than a specific age (boys and girls can still be early/late developers). I'm just saying how it was and not how it should be.

it all sounds kinda medievil though, which also reminds me of the middle east....

 

[Ulysses31]

it all sounds kinda medievil though, which also reminds me of the middle east....

Remember a lot of it is media BS, especially anything owned by Rupert Murdoch (The Sun, Sky news ans Fox) as he makes money from wars and race baiting. There are poor parts of the Middle East and also Africa and Asia where people remain uneducated and will take time to hit our 'standard' of living. A lot of the rich Arabs send their kids to study abroad (Abdullah II of Jordan studied in the UK) and the numbers prospering in areas like investments, banking, finance and real estate is huge. You'll be surprised to find what assets they hold in the western world (we know of football clubs and horse racing etc) even if it's just the minority. Arabs are very hospitable and honourable people but extremism is polluting the region (poor people in any country can be exploited for money) and this needs to be tackled, both through less middle east based US foreign policy and Arab leaders themselves eradicating the extremists, but put yourself in the shoes of the leaders, how can they convince their people to turn away terror and embrace the west when civilans that have nothing to do with al-qaeda are being killed by coalition troops everyday?

 

[habo9]

It isnt the Sun or Sky or the media thats going around blowing people up and theres plenty of poor people all over the world and to say its just all poor people that do these things is pretty ignorant , was Osama poor? Was Mosab Hassan Yousef poor? Were the London bombers backward and poor? Was Yasar Arafat poor? :dunno:

Were the Glasgow Terrorists who were doctors working in a hospital in Paisley , Poor? I dont think so , Uneducated? I dont think so either

Also you dont go around causing maximum carnage if your dumb , they must have to work it out some how , from the Usa , London , Bali , Madrid and countless other countries so as much as you would like to beleive its just dumb poor arabs think again....

All countries in the world have poor uneducated people so why dont they come from all countries or religions? :dunno:

Plenty of poor people in China , India , Haiti , S.America , Europe , Asia , Middle - East , Africa who dont export religious terrorism

Its a myth that terrorism is caused by uneducated poor people.....

In the middle-east if they cant kill soldiers they just kill each other Sunni's , Shia's the list goes on so the civilians dying cant be used as an excuse , if the troops were to leave these places just now , the bombing rates and deaths would soar to unimaginable levels BTW I dont think we should have entered these wars either but now its happened the worst thing the soldiers can do is pull out too early..

You my friend are justifying terrorism while trying to defend and make excuses for terrorists and the best thing is , you cant even see it :thumbsup:

 

[CunningStunts]

Does this really surprise anyone? Islamic fundamentalist see the world in very stark contrast: Believers and Infidels. There is no freedom of speech allowed where their prophet is concerned, nor many other freedoms come to think of it...

 

[Ulysses31]

It isnt the Sun or Sky or the media thats going around blowing people up and theres plenty of poor people all over the world and to say its just all poor people that do these things is pretty ignorant , was Osama poor? Was Mosab Hassan Yousef poor? Were the London bombers backward and poor? Was Yasar Arafat poor? :dunno:

Were the Glasgow Terrorists who were doctors working in a hospital in Paisley , Poor? I dont think so , Uneducated? I dont think so either

Also you dont go around causing maximum carnage if your dumb , they must have to work it out some how , from the Usa , London , Bali , Madrid and countless other countries so as much as you would like to beleive its just dumb poor arabs think again....

All countries in the world have poor uneducated people so why dont they come from all countries or religions? :dunno:

Plenty of poor people in China , India , Haiti , S.America , Europe , Asia , Middle - East , Africa who dont export religious terrorism

Its a myth that terrorism is caused by uneducated poor people.....

In the middle-east if they cant kill soldiers the just kill each other Sunni's , Shia's the list goes on so the civilians dying cant be used as an excuse , if the troops were to leave these places just now , the bombing rates and deaths would soar to unimaginable levels BTW I dont think we should have entered these wars either but now its happened the worst thing the soldiers can do is pull out too early..

You my friend are justifying terrorism while trying to defend and make excuses for terrorists and the best thing is , you cant even see it :thumbsup:

If you read my post carefully I said Terrorism EXPLOITS poor uneducated people, not that it is caused by uneducated poor people. Most people that start terrorist groups are rich and educated, so are most people that start all wars in fact.

 

[CunningStunts]

If you read my post carefully I said Terrorism EXPLOITS poor uneducated people, not that it is caused by uneducated poor people. Most people that start terrorist groups are rich and educated, so are most people that start all wars in fact.

The poor, uneducated, and even the mentally ill are usually always the targets of radical groups to gain support... inflating their sense of some kind of entitlement either here on earth or in the life hereafter, fanning the flames of animosity towards some "other" people, all for the furthering of some smart person's agenda... hmm... kinda sounds like some movements in the US as well doesn't it?

 

[Ulysses31]

The poor, uneducated, and even the mentally ill are usually always the targets of radical groups to gain support... inflating their sense of some kind of entitlement either here on earth or in the life hereafter, fanning the flames of animosity towards some "other" people, all for the furthering of some smart person's agenda... hmm... kinda sounds like some movements in the US as well doesn't it?

when you're only teacher is a hate filled iman and your family are paid to sell you to the cause you stand little chance. Similarly in Nazi Germany where the education system was overhauled and the texts were filled with anti jewish sentiments, that grew a whole new generation of Nazis that actually believed the anti-semitic bias and pro aryan race theology as historical fact.

 

[habo9]

I did read it & like I said where are all the religious terrorists in Haiti , India , S.America and plenty more countries that poor people could be corrupted into terrorism plus not all poor people are that dumb they are going to blow themselves up , so rich or poor , it doesnt come down to money for many people

 

[ballzano]

Remember a lot of it is media BS, especially anything owned by Rupert Murdoch (The Sun, Sky news ans Fox) as he makes money from wars and race baiting. There are poor parts of the Middle East and also Africa and Asia where people remain uneducated and will take time to hit our 'standard' of living. A lot of the rich Arabs send their kids to study abroad (Abdullah II of Jordan studied in the UK) and the numbers prospering in areas like investments, banking, finance and real estate is huge. You'll be surprised to find what assets they hold in the western world (we know of football clubs and horse racing etc) even if it's just the minority. Arabs are very hospitable and honourable people but extremism is polluting the region (poor people in any country can be exploited for money) and this needs to be tackled, both through less middle east based US foreign policy and Arab leaders themselves eradicating the extremists, but put yourself in the shoes of the leaders, how can they convince their people to turn away terror and embrace the west when civilans that have nothing to do with al-qaeda are being killed by coalition troops everyday?

Oh no it's not B.S. they are still in the middle ages.....

 

[Ulysses31]

I did read it & like I said where are all the religious terrorists in Haiti , India , S.America and plenty more countries that poor people could be corrupted into terrorism plus not all poor people are that dumb they are going to blow themselves up , so rich or poor , it doesnt come down to money for many people

It's not just poverty but also religious fundamentalism along with actual causes/conflicts. There are a number of radical imans that influence the muslim population and there is also wars raging on in the same lands, the same cannot be said of the other areas you mentioned. Although lot of people have turned to terror in India, especially in Indian controlled Kashmir, again radicalised by extreme imans. Rich people always start terror groups and wars, then pay the poor people to go and fight and die, whether it's suicide bombers or coalition troops, they are expendable and money can just buy their replacements. Also money (or resources) is the reason why most wars are given the go ahead, it has to be finacially worthwhile, that's why you'll never see offensives in Zimbabwe, Sudan or Myanmar etc, all ruled by tyrants yet not worth the $$$ to go in and clean up.

 

[habo9]

It's not just poverty but also religious fundamentalism along with actual causes/conflicts. There are a number of radical imans that influence the muslim population and there is also wars raging on in the same lands, the same cannot be said of the other areas you mentioned. Although lot of people have turned to terror in India, especially in Indian controlled Kashmir, again radicalised by extreme imans. Rich people always start terror groups and wars, then pay the poor people to go and fight and die, whether it's suicide bombers or coalition troops, they are expendable and money can just buy their replacements. Also money (or resources) is the reason why most wars are given the go ahead, it has to be finacially worthwhile, that's why you'll never see offensives in Zimbabwe, Sudan or Myanmar etc, all ruled by tyrants yet not worth the $$$ to go in and clean up.

No its because they didnt export there terrorism into other countries and give them an excuse to invade , going into Yugoslavia wasnt worth $$$'s & Indians are fighting muslims in Kashmir , funny how they are involved again with China in amongst it as well and its just not poor people that go and fight and die for religious terrorism theres plenty of poor people who dont and in places like Bosnia , Croatia and Serbia muslims are thankfull the allies entered and saved them from more slaughter even George Bush was treated like a hero by muslims when he went there