ChefChiTown
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I'm shocked that you have FERNANDO VINA bats. What a totally random player. :1orglaugh
MLB Bombshell drops..the Mitchell Report
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I'm shocked that you have FERNANDO VINA bats. What a totally random player. :1orglaugh
I'm a Brewers fan. He used to play for the Brewers.
It all makes sense...to ME, for what it's worth.
Imhotep
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he wasnt random when albert belle fucked him two new assholes. :rofl:
Funny. I don't remember THAT. I remember some moves straight out of RAW...
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Hmm, I live in Chicago, the home of the Cubs. I hope this won't propose any problems now that we now we are at war with eachother.
PS - I think it's funny that Wrigley Field serves Old Style beer, which is brewed in the home town of their rivals, Milwaukee...irony? :dunno:
Oh man, I forgot about that. :1orglaugh
Remember the one game when he threw the ball into the stands trying to hit some angry fans that were there? God, I miss Albert Belle.
EDIT: Nevermind I got him confused with Fernando Tatis.
Imhotep
Banned
i remember him flipping the indian fans off. i think it was the first game he played in cleveland. what a guy. :hatsoff:
Did he ever use a bat that wasn't corked? I seem to remember him having a big supply of them.
Imhotep
Banned
Seriously Chef. Are you out of your mind? Why are you bringing OJ into the discussion unless you want to present yourself as a complete moron? OJ was found guilty in a Civil court, owes the Goldman family millions and yet, you're right, he's still "on the hunt for the real killer.."
I don't believe anything you say about performance capability using Roids/HGH. Let us maybe agree that they allowed Roger and Barry and all to perform as if they had the physiques of 25 yr olds....in terms of strength/speed/recovery time/ yada yada yada...Some athletes were hardcore users and some were dabblers maybe. But who cares, rules in sport are meant to be followed or there is no sport.
All of the players mentioned in the report had the chance to appear before Senator Mitchell and "clear their names." To my knowledge, only 1 did. Gee...I wonder why they didn't want to do that????
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
I was making a comparison. Once a player, of any sport, gets a negative event associated with his/her name, it will never go away...even if they're innocent.
FYI - I believe that O.J. did it, as does the rest of the world.
Have you played baseball at a highly competitive level? I have.
Trust me. Steroids won't make you a better baseball player. Yes, it will make your flyballs go a few feet farther than normal, but that's about it. But, you can't hit that flyball to begin with unless you have skill to hit 90+ MPH pitches...which is something that steroids can't ever give you. If you've played baseball at a level which is actually competitive than you know what I'm talking about. If not, then you can't really make justifiable claims that steroids will make you better.
Tons of muscle mass doesn't make you hit homeruns or throw really hard. Look at Randy Johnson...skin and bones, yet he tops off at 100+ MPH. Look at Alfonso Soriano...skin and bones, yet he's good for 40+ HR's a year. Why? Because they have talent.
FYI - I don't care if these players names are released after they're proven to be guilty.
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You know this happens to "regular people" and "non celebrities" too? The name Richard Jewell comes to my mind immediately. I'm sure there are other examples. It's one of the dark sides of a free press and "DEMOCRACY" I suppose...:dunno:
Where is your disgust over what this is...cheating, plain and simple?
ChefChiTown
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I'm sorry, have all of these accused players been proven guilty? No. Therefore, they are not guilty of anything but being a scapegoat at the moment.
I have stated my peeve with this report multiple times. Yes, taking illegal performance enhancing drugs is cheating and I will never argue that it's not wrong to do so. But, these names are being publicly announced and associated with the tags of "guilty" and "cheater" for no reason.
My other peeve is that people think steroids makes you a better baseball player, which it never has done and never will do. If you look at the list of the players mentioned in the report, most of them are complete CRAP when it comes to TALENT. Even if they are proven guilty of breaking the MLB's substance abuse policy, it will just further highlight the proof that steroids don't make you a better baseball player.
Larry Bigbie, Tim Laker, Josias Manzanillo, Mark Carreon, Hal Morris, Greg Zaun, F.P. Santangelo, Ron Villone, Ryan Franklin, Chris Donnels, Todd Williams, Phil Hiatt, Todd Pratt, Mike Lansing, Cody McKay, Kent Mercker, Adam Piatt, Jason Christensen, Mike Stanton, Stephen Randolph, Jerry Hairston and the list goes on and on and on and I don't feel like typing names for 45 minutes.
When have any of these clowns been considered a GOOD baseball player? If they're all guilty of taking steroids, then shouldn't they be household names that appear in all-star games on a regular basis? :dunno:
No, because talent makes you a good baseball player, not injections.
I tend to agree with you, Chef. I don't think these names should have been made public unless they were either proven guilty or MLB had found them to be guilty.
I think one of the problems with this list is that you don't know if the guy ordered something he never used, or used once or twice, or was a hardcore user. Then there's the guys that were legitimately prescribed HGH or steroids for an injury. I'll admit many of these guys are probably cheaters, but I would hazard a guess that some of them aren't. We don't know which is which and that is a problem I think.
I agree with Chef that steroids don't make you a good baseball player. You have to have the skills to begin with. Steroids can only have a slight enhancing effect. I think they can also cause you to become a worse baseball player, in rare cases, Jose Canseco for one example. Guys I've known that used steroids were looking for a quick boost to their talent and they usually never got it because they didn't have the skills. Sometimes they bulk up too much too and their game suffers.
That being said, steroids being used in sports is wrong. I think we can all agree on that.
PS-Chef, I can't believe you put Phil Hiatt on your list of clowns! He is my favorite baseball player with over 350 minor league homeruns. I think he's one of the guys who just never really got a fair chance.
ChefChiTown
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Awwwww, I'm sorry. BUT...he did have 4 years in the Majors to prove himself, which he, unfortunately, couldn't do.
If taking Roids or HGH kept a player longer then normal baseball affairs would've determined him to be sent down to the minors...then the drug activity worked. Where did I say the Mitchell Report was an absolute document? It is, in all likelyhood, a small pinprick on a rotting corpse. Some of the players in the report simply went down to Mexico to get their stash. Lots of Latino players hang out in the South American winter leagues...who knows what they're playing around with down there? There are crater-sized holes in the MLB drug policy (have you heard about the 1-day warning?).
The names released do protect baseball, to some degree. None of the players on the list are in their prime. It is shocking that the greatest modern day hitter and pitcher are products of "the lab." But I suspect lots of modern day stars and upcoming talent are taking HGH and maybe some other things cooked up in different BALCOs around the globe that we don't even know about.
A piece ran in the New York Times written by someone who argued the best way to police this is to create massive monetary fines for the player and the club. We're talking millions of dollars. Make the risk not worth the reward, basically. That's an idea that has merit now because we have no reliable science to police the sport today...
The report was cooked up by lawyers..it passes the sniff test and the court test. I'd welcome Clemens and anyone on the list to sue MLB and see what happens.
ChefChiTown
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Barry Bonds is far from the greatest modern day hitter, as Roger Clemens is far from the greatest modern day pitcher.
I agree with that idea. In fact, I would even agree with taking it one step farther and completely banning the players who break the league's drug policy from their respected sport. Unfortunately, I don't believe that will happen anytime soon, but harsh punishment would cut down on the usage, IMO.
Hell, Pete Rose was banned for placing bets...so why shouldn't drug users face the same punishment? :dunno:
Well, there's always make up sex.
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