Lawmakers Consider Ending Citizenship for Children of Illegal Aliens

[Bloodshot Scott]

Okay, good. Is America the only Western nation that still has birthright citizenship (i.e. anchor babies)? It's not gonna pass, but we can always wish it would pass.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ding-citizenship-children-illegal-immigrants/

I mean, the illegals literally have a litter the women drop 'em out so much. From the article:

The federal court decision blocking key provisions of Arizona's immigration law from taking effect could light a fire under lawmakers considering an alternative -- and some say radical -- approach to reining in illegal immigration.

Lawmakers since last year have been kicking around a proposal to bar U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants from becoming U.S. citizens. Such a move, which has been ridiculed by legal scholars, would be a drastic reinterpretation of the U.S. Constitution's 14th Amendment.

But those supporting the move say it removes a key incentive luring illegal immigrants over the border. And with Arizona lawmakers now prohibited from requiring police to check immigration status, the option might be back on the table.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told Fox News after the Arizona ruling came down that "birthright citizenship" needs to be changed.

"I'm a practical guy, but when you go forward I don't want 20 million more (illegal immigrants) 20 years from now," he said. "Let's have a system that doesn't reward people for cheating."

Though other lawmakers have called for a change in U.S. or state law, Graham said he might introduce a constitutional amendment.

"We should change our Constitution and say if you come here illegally and you have a child, that child's automatically not a citizen," he said Wednesday. "They come here to drop a child -- it's called 'drop and leave.' ... That attracts people here for all the wrong reasons."
The amendment process is drawn out, and success is almost always unlikely -- it would take a two-thirds vote in both chambers of Congress as well as ratification by three-fourths of the states. That's 38 states.

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[Hot Mega]

Okay, good. Is America the only Western nation that still has birthright citizenship (i.e. anchor babies)? It's not gonna pass, but we can always wish it would pass.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ding-citizenship-children-illegal-immigrants/

I mean, the illegals literally have a litter the women drop 'em out so much. From the article:

I don't disagree with this as the amendment to the constitution which addresses this has served it's purpose...which was to create a structure for assimilating former slaves into citizenship.

But the constitution needs to be amended! No more of these willy-nilly, clumsy GOPers laws seeking to override constitutional and case law rights.

But we aren't the only country with grants citizenship to those born on it's soil.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Makes too much sense. It'll never pass.

 

[L3ggy]

There are aliens on earth?!

 

[Doc Scurlock]

This is just common sense. I can't believe the US still has this as a policy when it's clear you have a problem with illegal immigration. It's like you're inviting them into your country with such a policy.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

I don't disagree with this as the amendment to the constitution which addresses this has served it's purpose...which was to create a structure for assimilating former slaves into citizenship.

But the constitution needs to be amended! No more of these willy-nilly, clumsy GOPers laws seeking to override constitutional and case law rights.

But we aren't the only country with grants citizenship to those born on it's soil.

I tried to Google "Western birthright citzenship" and found this piece (we apparently are the only wealthy Western nation left that has this egregious rule and assault on our sovereignty). It's a Ron Paul piece, BTW:

Whoops. I lost the link. . No, it's true apparently though.

 

[Hot Mega]

I tried to Google "Western birthright citzenship" and found this piece (we apparently are the only wealthy Western nation left that has this egregious rule and assault on our sovereignty). It's a Ron Paul piece, BTW:

Whoops. I lost the link. . No, it's true apparently though.

Wow...just wow...How about our neighbor to the north? Also if you and Mrs BS happen to drop a pup in Brazil...guess what? That child is a Brazilian too...

I'd say you and Mr. Paul should do more research before you.....

I'll save you the trouble...you "stand corrected".:hatsoff:

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Wow...just wow...How about our neighbor to the north? Also if you and Mrs BS happen to drop a pup in Brazil...guess what? That child is a Brazilian too...

I'd say you and Mr. Paul should do more research before you.....

I'll save you the trouble...you "stand corrected".:hatsoff:

I didn't bother with Canada's law in that Wiki link; is it plop one out there and they are citizens? Hell I might move there some day anyway. I already have family up there, and honestly I like the cold weather.

Do you honestly think Brazil is a "Western" nation? The "West" is Europe, America and technically Europe's cousin Australia - basically all European countries and the countries they migrated to. Besides, Brazil has a monumental crime rate I hear.

 

[Hot Mega]

I didn't bother with Canada's law in that Wiki link; is it plop one out there and they are citizens? Hell I might move there some day anyway. I already have family up there, and honestly I like the cold weather.

Do you honestly think Brazil is a "Western" nation? The "West" is Europe, America and technically Europe's cousin Australia - basically all European countries and the countries they migrated to. Besides, Brazil has a monumental crime rate I hear.

In general, everyone born in Canada from 1947 or later acquires Canadian citizenship at birth. The only exceptions concern children born to diplomats, where additional requirements apply.

:1orglaugh That is a helluva lot of bluster to simply say, "Oops. I was fucking wrong."

My statement simply was the US isn't the only country that does this...you followed that by claiming along with Paul we are the only western nation that does.

Brazil was just an example of another country that isn't 3rd world which does this too.

You and Paul were and are simply wrong. Stop digging.:2 cents:

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

In Canada at least one of your parents has to be a Canadian citizen for the child to be granted citizenship. At least, I think that's how it goes nowadays.

 

[Hot Mega]

In Canada at least one of your parents has to be a Canadian citizen for the child to be granted citizenship. At least, I think that's how it goes nowadays.

Canadian law says there is no requirement by the either parent of a child born on Canadian soil. In other words, any child born in Canada is automatically a Canadian citizen irrespective of either parent's status.

But Canada is also actively seeking to increase it's immigration numbers.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

But Canada is also actively seeking to increase it's immigration numbers.

Which is the most retarded thing we can do. :dunno:

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

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You and Paul were and are simply wrong. Stop digging.:2 cents:

Do you think I'm making this shit up? I read a Ron Paul article wherein he articulated that we are the only wealthy Western nation that still has this policy. I can "keep digging" if you'd like, otherwise, Wiki is a shit source anyway (hopefully you know this?) Plus I'd trust Dr. Paul more than you any day, sorry. I won't :horse: anymore though with you.

 

[Hot Mega]

Do you think I'm making this shit up? I read a Ron Paul article wherein he articulated that we are the only wealthy Western nation that still has this policy. I can "keep digging" if you'd like, otherwise, Wiki is a shit source anyway (hopefully you know this?) Plus I'd trust Dr. Paul more than you any day, sorry. I won't anymore though with you.

What are you talking about??? Of course you're not making it up..you're just ill-informed as is the individual you referenced. Simple as that.:dunno:

And I didn't ask you to trust me....I provided one of many sources for the accurate information. Wiki was just the easiest because there is no incentive for that particular type of information to be erroneously or fraudulently added there.

But you don't like/trust Wikipedia for this information??? How about the Canadian Immigration authority???

I know it's hard for you to buy one of these clowns babbling about what they think to be wrong. But you, Paul and anyone else claiming this STILL comes up wrong. Again, stop digging kid.:2 cents:

Canadian Citizenship may be available to those who are born in Canada (with some exceptions) and to Canadian permanent residents who apply and succeed in obtaining Canadian Citizenship. Currently, approximately 150,000 people are granted Canadian Citizenship annually.

Exceptions being diplomats living in Canada.

http://www.rsscanadaimmigration.com/en/citizenship/

 

[pete rose]

Yeah, thumbs up to turning your back on humanity.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

What are you talking about??? Of course you're not making it up..you're just ill-informed as is the individual you referenced. Simple as that.:dunno:

And I didn't ask you to trust me....I provided one of many sources for the accurate information. Wiki was just the easiest because there is no incentive for that particular type of information to be erroneously or fraudulently added there.

But you don't like Wikipedia??? How about the Canadian Immigration authority???

You, Paul and anyone else claiming this STILL comes up wrong. Again, stop digging kid.:2 cents:

Exceptions being diplomats living in Canada.

http://www.rsscanadaimmigration.com/en/citizenship/

Never that. Your condescending attitude on this discussion is stupid. BTW, I did get that source (.gov, if you're not familiar with "top level Internet domains"):

A recent article in the Houston Chronicle discusses the problem of so-called anchor babies, children born in U.S. hospitals to illegal immigrant parents. These children automatically become citizens, and thus serve as an anchor for their parents to remain in the country. Our immigration authorities understandably are reluctant to break up families by deporting parents of young babies. But birthright citizenship, originating in the 14th amendment, has become a serious cultural and economic dilemma for our nation.

In some Houston hospitals, administrators estimate that 70 or 80% of the babies born have parents who are in the country illegally. As an obstetrician in south Texas for several decades, I can attest to the severity of the problem. It’s the same story in California, Arizona, and New Mexico. And the truth is most illegal immigrants who have babies in U.S. hospitals do not have health insurance and do not pay their hospital bills.

This obviously cannot be sustained, either by the hospitals involved or the taxpayers who end up paying the bills.

No other wealthy, western nations grant automatic citizenship to those who simply happen to be born within their borders to non-citizens. These nations recognize that citizenship involves more than the physical location of one’s birth; it also involves some measure of cultural connection and allegiance. In most cases this means the parents must be citizens of a nation in order for their newborn children to receive automatic citizenship.

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http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst100206.htm

So, with that said, pretty much let's leave it at that. :tongue:

 

[Hot Mega]

Never that. Your condescending attitude on this discussion is stupid. BTW, I did get that source (.gov, if you're not familiar with "top level Internet domains"):
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst100206.htm

So, with that said, pretty much let's leave it at that. :tongue:

I don't care what site Paul made his statement at...he's wrong... Wow! Talk about lost cause.

Here's a clue..before you cite what some goober politician says as a fact...check the shit out yourself....these clowns are wrong all the time.

You'll look less foolish.:o:horse:

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

I don't care what site Paul made his statement at...he's wrong... Wow! Talk about lost cause.

Here's a clue..before you cite what some goober politician says as a fact...check the shit out yourself....these clowns are wrong all the time.

You'll look less foolish.:o:horse:

Wow, kid. Your source (some dick breath dude) is apparently a legitimate source and I source one of the most respected politicians in recent American memory, and you pawn that off as "legitimate"? And since you took ONE segment of that page, genius, I'll do the posting for you:

Canadian Citizenship may be available to those who are born in Canada (with some exceptions) and to Canadian permanent residents who apply and succeed in obtaining Canadian Citizenship. Currently, approximately 150,000 people are granted Canadian Citizenship annually.

For permanent residents seeking to become citizens, the general rule is that the person must be physically resident in Canada for a period of at least three years (1095 days) in the four years prior to applying (complete a free citizenship evaluation). In some cases, this amount may be reduced, for example if the individual had resided as a legal temporary resident in Canada prior to becoming a permanent resident. Similarly, in some cases, it may be possible to gain citizenship despite absence from Canada within the specified period, if there is sufficient evidence that one’s centralized mode of living is based in Canada. In the case of any exception, a citizenship judge must determine eligibility based on careful consideration of the facts.

Benefits of citizenship include the right to vote, issuance of a Canadian passport, and an ability to maintain this status despite prolonged absence from Canada. Becoming a citizen infers carries certain Rights and Responsibilities. Permanent residents who are successful in this process of seeking Canadian citizenship must take the Canadian Citizenship Oath.

If a permanent resident seeks to become a Canadian citizen, and is already a citizen of a foreign country which allows for dual citizenship, that individual can retain the status of her existing citizenship and also become a Canadian citizen.

What this fag is not talking about in your little source is ILLEGAL Canadians. There is not ONE mention of it. He also stipulates a shitload of rubbish to "obtain citizenship." I see how you did that. The excerpt you posted doesn't say anything about people illegally residing in the country. Don't be a charlatan, HM. The one Canadian posting in this thread said what he understands is at least one parent has to be legal. You LOSE. :1orglaugh

 

[RicoSuave25]

Do you honestly think Brazil is a "Western" nation? The "West" is Europe, America and technically Europe's cousin Australia - basically all European countries and the countries they migrated to. Besides, Brazil has a monumental crime rate I hear.

By your very definition, Brazil is a "Western" nation. Unless the word "basically" means we're not counting the Portuguese.

 

[Hot Mega]

Wow, kid. Your source (some dick breath dude) is apparently a legitimate source and I source one of the most respected politicians in recent American memory, and you pawn that off as "legitimate"? And since you took ONE segment of that page, genius, I'll do the posting for you:

What this fag is not talking about in your little source is ILLEGAL Canadians. There is not ONE mention of it. He also stipulates a shitload of rubbish to "obtain citizenship." I see how you did that. The excerpt you posted doesn't say anything about people illegally residing in the country. Don't be a charlatan, HM. The one Canadian posting in this thread said what he understands is at least one parent has to be legal. You LOSE. :1orglaugh

CP 9  Acquisition and Loss of Canadian Citizenship
2009-04-17
8
This paragraph applies to individuals born in Canada. In most cases, a person born in Canada is
automatically a Canadian citizen at birth.
Note: According to the Interpretation Act, “Canada” includes the “internal waters of Canada and the
territorial sea of Canada”. “Internal waters” is further defined as "the internal waters of Canada as
determined under the Oceans Act and includes the airspace above and the bed and subsoil below
those waters”. As such, children born in Canadian airspace, whether over Canadian waters or
over Canadian land, are considered born in Canada, as are children born in Canadian waters.
The interpretive clause in A2(2)(a) of the Citizenship Act is to be used only when a child is born
outside of Canada. Any application based on birth in Canadian airspace or water should be
referred to OMC (nat-cit-operations@cic.gc.ca) for consultation with Legal Sevices.
7.3. Exception to birth on soil – A3(2)
A child born in Canada to an accredited foreign diplomat is not Canadian at birth unless the other
parent is a Canadian citizen or permanent resident at the time of the child’s birth (see subsection
3(2) of the Act).

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/cp/cp09-eng.pdf

You ask about legal status. There is no requirement...meaning the legal status is irrelevant.

Straight from the horses mouth. I apologize...I could have ended this earlier.

We have a situation with the Immigration Act where we decide to remove people to their countries and suddenly the kid was born in Canada, the kid is Canadian. But neither of the parents are Canadian or landed immigrants. The kid is. So do we have to do something about that?(10)

In response to the Minister’s comments, the Canadian Council for Refugees wrote her an open letter requesting that no change be made to the current law in this area. The letter put forward a number of arguments:

Canada’s tradition is to accord citizenship by birth;

no statistics indicate a problem that needs to be addressed;(11)

we should not risk rendering babies stateless by such action; and

such a change would feed negative and xenophobic images of newcomers in the public’s mind.

http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/bp445-e.htm#B. Natural-Born Citizens(txt)

And again, you, Paul and whomever believed otherwise are wrong.