I have executive powers over guns...

[Mr. Daystar]

Sam, you're pathetic : You act as if Obama's plan was to disarm the population even if yoy know the plan is to make it more difficult for criminals and mentally ill to buy guns and to be sure that law abiding citizens are acting like responsible persons with their guns.
If Mrs. Lanza had stored her guns in a safe box with the ammo apart from the guns, Adam wouldn't have stole them and Sandy Hook wouldn't have happened
If James Holmes would have been on a mentally ill database ohe would never have been able to buy an AR-15, a Remington 870 and two Glock 22 and the Aurora Shooting wouldn't have happened

In 2012, 87 people have died in mass shootings across the US (Aurora, Azana Spa, Chardon, College Station, Empire State Buildng, Ingleside, Minneapolis, Oikos, Sandy Hook, Seattle, Sikh Temple and Tulsa). Don't you think something must be done.
Arm the teachers. That may have prevented Sandy Hook, but not the other shooting which didn't happen in schools.
The best way to prevent these shootings to happen is to make sure that mentally ill people can't buy guns and that people who live with mentally ill people are being responsible with their guns.

You can't say this with absolute certainty, and you know it. People who are determined to commit this type of violence will ALWAYS find a way. He would have got them somewhere...maybe it would have happened in 2013 instead, but it would have. Is there ANY PROOF that her guns WEREN'T locked up? If she was already dead, and he had all day to get into a locked cabinet, or safe...NO AMOUNT of secure confinement would have stopped him. Without anyone to stop him, he could theoretically drill out a lock, or a tumbler on a combination lock.

His plan isn't just to make it more difficult for the wrong people to get guns...I'm all for that. His plan is to accomplish that, THEN come and take the rest from the ones who haven't done anything at all.

 

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His plan isn't just to make it more difficult for the wrong people to get guns...I'm all for that. His plan is to accomplish that, THEN come and take the rest from the ones who haven't done anything at all.

Hyperbole, if not outright fabrication. The 23 EO's he put out last week will be the extent of his "gun-grab".

 

[Sam Fisher]

Hyperbole, if not outright fabrication. The 23 EO's he put out last week will be the extent of his "gun-grab".

Riddle me this: Where was Obama during the Fast & Furious incident? Why was nothing done to Eric Holder?

 

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Riddle me this: Where was Obama during the Fast & Furious incident? Why was nothing done to Eric Holder?

Where was Reagan during the Iran-Contra scandal? Where was Bush during Wide Receiver? Why do you feel the need to play politics every time Obama sneezes?

 

[Johan]

You can't say this with absolute certainty, and you know it. People who are determined to commit this type of violence will ALWAYS find a way.

You can't say with absolute certainty that Adam Lanza was determined to do it. You can't say with absolute certainty that he didn't just "snapped".

If she was already dead, and he had all day to get into a locked cabinet, or safe...NO AMOUNT of secure confinement would have stopped him. Without anyone to stop him, he could theoretically drill out a lock, or a tumbler on a combination lock.

She was alive when he took the guns, he killed her with her own guns (kinda ironic : being shot by a gun coming from the arsenal she had for self-defense... One could say that if she hadn't bought these guns, she would still be alive)

His plan isn't just to make it more difficult for the wrong people to get guns...I'm all for that. His plan is to accomplish that, THEN come and take the rest from the ones who haven't done anything at all.

You can't say this with absolute certainty...

 

[Johan]

You can't say this with absolute certainty, and you know it. People who are determined to commit this type of violence will ALWAYS find a way.

You can't say with absolute certainty that Adam Lanza was determined to do it. You can't say with absolute certainty that he didn't just "snapped".

If she was already dead, and he had all day to get into a locked cabinet, or safe...NO AMOUNT of secure confinement would have stopped him. Without anyone to stop him, he could theoretically drill out a lock, or a tumbler on a combination lock.

She was alive when he took the guns, he killed her with her own guns (kinda ironic : being shot by a gun coming from the arsenal she had for self-defense... One could say that if she hadn't bought these guns, she would still be alive)

His plan isn't just to make it more difficult for the wrong people to get guns...I'm all for that. His plan is to accomplish that, THEN come and take the rest from the ones who haven't done anything at all.

You can't say this with absolute certainty...

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Hyperbole, if not outright fabrication. The 23 EO's he put out last week will be the extent of his "gun-grab".

I hope that's all he gets, but I believe he'll still try...that's why I said it's his PLAN. I think the person he appoints to the ATF will make an effort to enact regulations. No one gets to vote on those, so I'm thinking he's going to try and bypass the whole process if he fails to do it legally. I don't know how you can deny that he wants to severely limit, if not disarm everyone...he's so blatantly obvious about it.

Where was Reagan during the Iran-Contra scandal?

He was there...in the court room not recalling.

His faithful, and loyal General, Ollie North, took the bullet, and did what all good soldiers do.

 

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I hope that's all he gets, but I believe he'll still try...that's why I said it's his PLAN. I think the person he appoints to the ATF will make an effort to enact regulations. No one gets to vote on those, so I'm thinking he's going to try and bypass the whole process if he fails to do it legally. I don't know how you can deny that he wants to severely limit, if not disarm everyone...he's so blatantly obvious about it.

Please explain what exactly Obama has done to demonstrate that he want to limit/disarm everyone. The only gun legislation he touched in his first term expanded gun rights.

He was there...in the court room not recalling. His faithful, and loyal General, Ollie North, took the bullet, and did what all good soldiers do.

I appreciate that you don't limit your criticisms to democrats, unlike the person my question was pointed at.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Please explain what exactly Obama has done to demonstrate that he want to limit/disarm everyone. The only gun legislation he touched in his first term expanded gun rights.




I appreciate that you don't limit your criticisms to democrats, unlike the person my question was pointed at.

It's kind of going on right now, wouldn't you say?!?! His first term is irrelevant, what he's got his v.p., and cronies in the congress and senate are clear. Also, look at his voting record in the senate...fucking guy voted against a castle law for his home state. How little do you have to care about law abiding people, if you expect them to run from danger in their own homes, or expect them to rely on 911 as they're attacked in the middle of the night by an intruder.

You know very well, I hate them all. Except Ron Paul of course.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Where was Reagan during the Iran-Contra scandal? Where was Bush during Wide Receiver? Why do you feel the need to play politics every time Obama sneezes?

Because the left vilified Reagan and Bush when they were presidents. Besides, that was 30 years ago. And he's dead now. And Bush... he left leaving behind plenty of unscrupulous events. He never got a free pass from the liberal media either.

And right now Obama is the president. He is THE one whining about gun deaths. Yet he and his buddy unleashed guns (AK-47 rifles) purposely into the hands of known drug lords and illegals. Why should he not have to answer for those extremely dangerous gun gaffes?

 

[Mr. Daystar]

And right now Obama is the president. He is THE one whining about gun deaths. Yet he and his buddy unleashed guns (AK-47 rifles) purposely into the hands of known drug lords and illegals. Why should he not have to answer for those extremely dangerous gun gaffes?

I'm tellin you, that was no accident. He claimed executive privilege because he knew all of those numbnuts wouldn't be able to all tell the same story. This bullshit is our government funding their choice for drug cartel. There was no sting, they were arming, and funding.

 

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It's kind of going on right now, wouldn't you say?!?! His first term is irrelevant, what he's got his v.p., and cronies in the congress and senate are clear. Also, look at his voting record in the senate...fucking guy voted against a castle law for his home state. How little do you have to care about law abiding people, if you expect them to run from danger in their own homes, or expect them to rely on 911 as they're attacked in the middle of the night by an intruder.

You know very well, I hate them all. Except Ron Paul of course.

So his first term is irrelevant but his voting record in the senate is fair game? I agree that denying people the right to stand their ground is horseshit. I'm glad I live in Texas. As for the 23 Executive Orders he put out last week, I mean seriously, all bark no bite. I'm pretty sure we've seen the extent of his gun grabbing. No way in hell is congress going to pass an assault weapons ban or magazine capacity restriction.

I know you hate them all, and I can totally appreciate the sentiment.

Because the left vilified Reagan and Bush when they were presidents. Besides, that was 30 years ago. And he's dead now. And Bush... he left leaving behind plenty of unscrupulous events. He never got a free pass from the liberal media either.

And right now Obama is the president. He is THE one whining about gun deaths. Yet he and his buddy unleashed guns (AK-47 rifles) purposely into the hands of known drug lords and illegals. Why should he not have to answer for those extremely dangerous gun gaffes?

I trust Darrel Issa to be a complete douche bag if Obama had anything to do with Fast and Furious. Basically your argument for being such a fuckwad about Obama is, "liberals were mean to Reagan and Bush". Way to rise above the fray. I think there's more to it than that, but hey, I'll take you at your word.

I think it's pretty pointless for Obama to wade into the gun debate. Of course if he didn't you would say he didn't give a fuck. I hate it that right-wingers have become so predictable.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

So his first term is irrelevant but his voting record in the senate is fair game? I agree that denying people the right to stand their ground is horseshit. I'm glad I live in Texas. As for the 23 Executive Orders he put out last week, I mean seriously, all bark no bite. I'm pretty sure we've seen the extent of his gun grabbing. No way in hell is congress going to pass an assault weapons ban or magazine capacity restriction.

When it comes to gun control, that's what we're talking about. As far as the EO's go, you saw my post, I'm concerned with 3 or 4, and I feel rightfully so. We need to see how those will be handled, and set up. If I don't like any of them, obviously I don't trust them either. You may be sure, but that doesn't mean I am. I prefer to expect the worse, and hope for the best. As far as congress goes, who knows what half assed backroom deals are being made, every one of the shady fuckers wants SOMETHING from the other. They're always conniving and weaseling deals under the table. I have a wait and see attitude towards this. I have concerns, as I've stated before, about how, and what regulations might be handed down, by the new head of the ATF.

I can't believe you would actually say, "if obama had anything to do with fast & furious". He's in charge, and is responsible for the people he appoints. More importantly, he provided a way out, for the people that were accused. This guy allowed a Federal agent to die, in an attempt to further his agenda...he's an accessory to murder in my book.

 

[Johan]

The problem with you gus is that, when it comes to guns, everything is plain white or plain black.
For now, there are very few regulations on guns. From the moment someone says that there should be some more, you go nut, claimping that he wants to disarm the whole country, that he's coming for every single gun owned by every single law-abiding citizen, as if the FBI is gonna knock at your door tomorrow with a warrant allowing them to search your house and seize every gund they could find. This is totally nut, it's never gonna happen and the 23 EO are not the beggining of this. Judging by the reactions, the 23 EO (and the possible ban on assault guns and high capacity magazines) will be the only laws on guns that will be passed for the next 4 years. And the 1st 4 years after Obama ('cause any president that would pass laws on guns during his 1st term can kiss his re-election goodbye).