Had the Times Square bomb detonated . . .

[vodkazvictim]

maybe when you finally realize that your country can't win this thing militarily, you'll start to see the value in scrutinizing the effect your own fucked up foreign policy has on your national security, just like Michael Scheuer and others have been saying all along.

I'm of the opinion that the US will have completely bankrupted itself before that time comes though. So sad.




I wonder if an Iraqi or Afghan family who have had their country bombed to bits by westerners are in agreement about the real enemy being islamic fanaticism.


I don't like your team Trident, and I don't want to be on it anymore than I'd want to convert to Islam. People like you act on emotion and end up justifying major international crimes for the 'greater good'.

I like your post. One of the reasons people turn to Islamic fundamentalism is because there have been Christian soldiers in Moslem lands since the crusades.
I'm not defending terrorists; it's wrong, but one can hardly say the us hasn't earned it's share of hate. Think I'm stupid? Here is the take of a professor of M.I.T. If you think he's wrong, your smarter than him and disagree with his opinions, feel free to say so, but please give reasons to support yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjn-p1Pg4SI&feature=related

 

[lurkingdirk]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and what if the militia from Ohio/Michigan had been allowed to...


Hey...wait...did dirk insult me?

No. Nothing here to see. I'll put salve on your warts this weekend, as per usual. It's all good.

 

[STDiva]

Why hasn't meesterperfect come in here and told us how shit this board has become??

 

[Moonchild22]

This board is looking MAGNIFICENT!!
EL MAGNIFICO!!!

 

[~~whimsy~~]

I'm just glad these plans aren't actually seeing fruition no matter the death toll or disaster in the aftermath.

 

[alexpnz]

I work in the buliding (4 Times Square) that the car w/ the bomb was parked in front of once a month and since the month AFTER, there has been NO extra security.
The first month after , it was like Iraq.....yesterday I walked right into the loading dock with a wave and a smile.
smh :dunno:

 

[Trident1]

maybe when you finally realize that your country can't win this thing militarily, you'll start to see the value in scrutinizing the effect your own fucked up foreign policy has on your national security, just like Michael Scheuer and others have been saying all along.

I'm of the opinion that the US will have completely bankrupted itself before that time comes though. So sad.




I wonder if an Iraqi or Afghan family who have had their country bombed to bits by westerners are in agreement about the real enemy being islamic fanaticism.


I don't like your team Trident, and I don't want to be on it anymore than I'd want to convert to Islam. People like you act on emotion and end up justifying major international crimes for the 'greater good'.

You typed so much. Please allow me to answer in a most heartfelt way.


:thefinger:thefinger:thefinger:thefinger:thefinger:thefinger

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

I'm worried about my city and terrorist attacks. We have the largest Somali population outside of Mogadishu. A lot of these local Somalis have relocated back to Somalia and tied up to radicals. They all pray in the hallways of my university and at my family members' places of employment. I do worry about our city and beautiful state. It could be bad...real bad (and I ain't shittin' ya).

The Ehtiopians aren't as bad because Ethiopia is a Christian nation - and I might add, the only nation in Africa to retain their freedom from European colonialism throughout the majority of it's history. But the Somalis do trouble me, even though I've had pleasant relationships with some from my university.

 

[vodkazvictim]

You typed so much. Please allow me to answer in a most heartfelt way.


:thefinger:thefinger:thefinger:thefinger:thefinger:thefinger

Nice to see a well thought out and logical response with the power to bring us around to your way of thinking there

I'm worried about my city and terrorist attacks. We have the largest Somali population outside of Mogadishu. A lot of these local Somalis have relocated back to Somalia and tied up to radicals. They all pray in the hallways of my university and at my family members' places of employment. I do worry about our city and beautiful state. It could be bad...real bad (and I ain't shittin' ya).

The Ehtiopians aren't as bad because Ethiopia is a Christian nation - and I might add, the only nation in Africa to retain their freedom from European colonialism throughout the majority of it's history. But the Somalis do trouble me, even though I've had pleasant relationships with some from my university.

Praying isn't a problem. In fact if you try and STOP them praying then you increase the risk of a shitstorm. Most Moslems are fine. The problem is the few that aren't. You just have t o hope you don't have a loony. Most of the Somali's will be hoping that too; Moslem terrorists regard non-fanatical-Moslems as being as much a target as non-Moslems.

 

[StanScratch]

No. Nothing here to see. I'll put salve on your warts this weekend, as per usual. It's all good.

Ah, OK. Whew. Must have been seeing things. I will simply take your word here, instead of taking the time to scroll up the board, painful task that is.

 

[mrtrebus]

I'm worried about my city and terrorist attacks. We have the largest Somali population outside of Mogadishu. A lot of these local Somalis have relocated back to Somalia and tied up to radicals. They all pray in the hallways of my university and at my family members' places of employment. I do worry about our city and beautiful state. It could be bad...real bad (and I ain't shittin' ya).

The Ehtiopians aren't as bad because Ethiopia is a Christian nation - and I might add, the only nation in Africa to retain their freedom from European colonialism throughout the majority of it's history. But the Somalis do trouble me, even though I've had pleasant relationships with some from my university.

Yeah, go Christianity!

 

[meesterperfect]

if it did explode it would have been bad.
maybe the point or lesson is that its only a matter of time.
scary.

 

[Ulysses31]

I'm worried about my city and terrorist attacks. We have the largest Somali population outside of Mogadishu. A lot of these local Somalis have relocated back to Somalia and tied up to radicals. They all pray in the hallways of my university and at my family members' places of employment. I do worry about our city and beautiful state. It could be bad...real bad (and I ain't shittin' ya).

The Ehtiopians aren't as bad because Ethiopia is a Christian nation - and I might add, the only nation in Africa to retain their freedom from European colonialism throughout the majority of it's history. But the Somalis do trouble me, even though I've had pleasant relationships with some from my university.

There is also a link between terrorists and countries affected directly by American foreign policy. Most radicals are from the middle east as well as the Sudan, Afghanistan and Pakistan where there is direct interference and military campaigns from America. However you hardly ever hear of radicals from Bosnia, Turkey, Somalia or Ethiopia as you say which has over 30 million muslims as the US has not imposed themselves on these countries (probably due to the lack of oil and other valuable resources). I guess the lesson is leave people alone and they'll do likewise, step on other peoples turf and it'll come back to bite you in the ass. :ak47:

 

[emceeemcee]

I guess the lesson is leave people alone and they'll do likewise, step on other peoples turf and it'll come back to bite you in the ass. :ak47:

Exactly, and it's citizen joe minding his own business on the way to work who pays the price, not the politicians who make these insane foreign policy decisions.

 

[PlumpRump]

There is also a link between terrorists and countries affected directly by American foreign policy. Most radicals are from the middle east as well as the Sudan, Afghanistan and Pakistan where there is direct interference and military campaigns from America. However you hardly ever hear of radicals from Bosnia, Turkey, Somalia or Ethiopia as you say which has over 30 million muslims as the US has not imposed themselves on these countries (probably due to the lack of oil and other valuable resources). I guess the lesson is leave people alone and they'll do likewise, step on other peoples turf and it'll come back to bite you in the ass. :ak47:

Just because you haven't heard of terrorist groups in these areas that currently are, or could very easily become, hostile to the US in no way means that they don't exist. As well, just because, as you put it ,we "hardly ever hear of radicals" from these areas does not mean that these groups are less dangerous than any other that we know on a more familiar basis. The world has known of Al-Qaeda since the late 1980's and Hamas since the 1990's. Only recently have these groups been brought to the forefront, and are only deemed the "most significant" by members of the media. The most "dangerous" groups are defined, seemingly, by the media as the groups that have the most sensational media value. Just because these other groups aren't "newsworthy," doesn't mean that they aren't currently involved in the very same activities that the world derides Al-Qaeda/Hamas for. My point is that, just beacause we don't hear of terrorists in those places, doesn't mean that they aren't currently capable of becoming very serious threats to stability in the Middle-East/African regions thereby threatening the security of pretty much the rest of the world, including Europe, Asia and the US.

Bosnia has been quoted as being a 'haven' for Islamic terrorists

Dzevad Galijasevic, a Bosnian expert on terrorism, told Tanjug news agency that there was a “developed network of support for Islamic terrorists” in Bosnia... “Bosnia is a base for Islamic terrorists who live here in safety, operate training camps and prepare cadres for attacks in third countries,” said Galijasevic.

IHH, Turkish terrorist group with ties to Al-Qaeda and Hamas

Britain's Daily Telegraph, characterized IHH as "a radical Islamist group masquerading as a humanitarian agency."

PKK, Turkish terrorist group

Known as the PKK after its Kurdish name, Partiya Karkeren Kurdistan, the group is labeled a terrorist organization by Washington, and continues to conduct strikes inside Turkey. Recent attacks on Turkish soldiers, and new vows to target politicians and police, have further infuriated Ankara.

Somaila's Terrorist Infestation

Without a functioning government since 1991, the country has been home to a lawless society dominated by violence. Beyond the humanitarian concerns caused by such prolonged instability, there is evidence to suggest that international terrorist organizations are using the fractured state on the tip of Africa's Horn as a safe haven and base of operations. According to the U.S. State Department's most recent Country Reports on Terrorism, terrorist activities in Somalia are "threatening the security of the whole region."

The ONLF, based in Eastern Ethiopia

The ONLF... based in eastern Ethiopia, takes up the banner of past groups seeking self-governance for ethnic Somalis throughout the region. Their attacks threaten the delicate stability of the region and could set off a new chill on much-needed foreign investment... Its main tactics include countering government influence in the region and using violent force, including kidnappings and bombings. The ONLF is believed to be responsible for the deaths of thousands of government forces.

 

[maildude]

Shudder to think of it. And I support the war on terror. I admire and give thanks to both our service men and women, and to our public protectors. But the extent to which we violate personal freedoms to attain these goals concerns me.

 

[Trident1]

Just because you haven't heard of terrorist groups in these areas that currently are, or could very easily become, hostile to the US in no way means that they don't exist. As well, just because, as you put it ,we "hardly ever hear of radicals" from these areas does not mean that these groups are less dangerous than any other that we know on a more familiar basis. The world has known of Al-Qaeda since the late 1980's and Hamas since the 1990's. Only recently have these groups been brought to the forefront, and are only deemed the "most significant" by members of the media. The most "dangerous" groups are defined, seemingly, by the media as the groups that have the most sensational media value. Just because these other groups aren't "newsworthy," doesn't mean that they aren't currently involved in the very same activities that the world derides Al-Qaeda/Hamas for. My point is that, just beacause we don't hear of terrorists in those places, doesn't mean that they aren't currently capable of becoming very serious threats to stability in the Middle-East/African regions thereby threatening the security of pretty much the rest of the world, including Europe, Asia and the US.

Bosnia has been quoted as being a 'haven' for Islamic terrorists

IHH, Turkish terrorist group with ties to Al-Qaeda and Hamas

PKK, Turkish terrorist group

Somaila's Terrorist Infestation

The ONLF, based in Eastern Ethiopia

Thank you sir!

Golly Ulysses! Muslim fanatics in these moderate countries as well.


Btw Pakistan was radicalized by Zia ul Haq. Before that cumstain came to power the country was more Westernized and cultured. We are currently seeing Haq's Pakistan to this day.
We had nothing to do with Haq's insane islamic ideals. That was his own doing so please stop blaming us.
The amazing thing is how many here aid the muslim terrorists by stupidly blaming the wrong side. Muslims have to accept the lions share of responsibility for their religion being used as a politicized tool to murder non muslims in the name of Allah.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Nice to see a well thought out and logical response with the power to bring us around to your way of thinking there



Praying isn't a problem. In fact if you try and STOP them praying then you increase the risk of a shitstorm. Most Moslems are fine. The problem is the few that aren't. You just have t o hope you don't have a loony. Most of the Somali's will be hoping that too; Moslem terrorists regard non-fanatical-Moslems as being as much a target as non-Moslems.

Yeah, but we can only bend so much to the "minority" (in this case Islam) before the "majority" (in this case America and American, Western culture and vaules) are getting shitted on.

Yeah, go Christianity!

I'm not promoting anything, just pointin out that countries that tend to share Western values/culture, such as Christianity, which, whether you like it or, is the foundation of the West for more than a thousand years. Some of the Somalis I interact with are polite and respectful with me; I'm not saying they're not. I just worry about the several dozen that disapeared from my state only to be found in some Islamo Fascist organization in Somalia, and their ties to my city and state.

There is also a link between terrorists and countries affected directly by American foreign policy. Most radicals are from the middle east as well as the Sudan, Afghanistan and Pakistan where there is direct interference and military campaigns from America. However you hardly ever hear of radicals from Bosnia, Turkey, Somalia or Ethiopia as you say which has over 30 million muslims as the US has not imposed themselves on these countries (probably due to the lack of oil and other valuable resources). I guess the lesson is leave people alone and they'll do likewise, step on other peoples turf and it'll come back to bite you in the ass. :ak47:

I don't like it either. That's why I voted for Ron Paul.

 

[Ulysses31]

Just because you haven't heard of terrorist groups in these areas that currently are, or could very easily become, hostile to the US in no way means that they don't exist. As well, just because, as you put it ,we "hardly ever hear of radicals" from these areas does not mean that these groups are less dangerous than any other that we know on a more familiar basis. The world has known of Al-Qaeda since the late 1980's and Hamas since the 1990's. Only recently have these groups been brought to the forefront, and are only deemed the "most significant" by members of the media. The most "dangerous" groups are defined, seemingly, by the media as the groups that have the most sensational media value. Just because these other groups aren't "newsworthy," doesn't mean that they aren't currently involved in the very same activities that the world derides Al-Qaeda/Hamas for. My point is that, just beacause we don't hear of terrorists in those places, doesn't mean that they aren't currently capable of becoming very serious threats to stability in the Middle-East/African regions thereby threatening the security of pretty much the rest of the world, including Europe, Asia and the US.

Bosnia has been quoted as being a 'haven' for Islamic terrorists

IHH, Turkish terrorist group with ties to Al-Qaeda and Hamas

PKK, Turkish terrorist group

Somaila's Terrorist Infestation

The ONLF, based in Eastern Ethiopia

Just because an organisation is classed as a terrorist group doesn't always make them one, the word terrorist and insurgents has lost all meaning as the US uses it to describe anyone they see as a threat. When they helped the radicals in Afghanistan fight the Soviets in the 80s the US called them Mujahadeen Freedom Fighters fighting against Soviet oppression, then suddenly overnight when they turned on the US the same guys become Al-Queda and Islamic Fundamentalists or Radicals of whatever the state department wants to label them. I don't actually think that the US ever officially labelled the IRA as a terrorist group as due to the strong Irish presence in the US saw them as freedom fighters. You'll find a lot of these 'terrorist' groups are just fighting to get foreign troops off their soil, we would have done the same if the Germans invaded in WW2 and the US would have done the same if the Japanese troops had landed on US soil, to me they are freedom fighters. Also the PKK are fighting for Kurdish independence and not for religious ideology, their victims in Turkey and Iraq are muslims as well.

 

[Trident1]

Just because an organisation is classed as a terrorist group doesn't always make them one, the word terrorist and insurgents has lost all meaning as the US uses it to describe anyone they see as a threat. When they helped the radicals in Afghanistan fight the Soviets in the 80s the US called them Mujahadeen Freedom Fighters fighting against Soviet oppression, then suddenly overnight when they turned on the US the same guys become Al-Queda and Islamic Fundamentalists or Radicals of whatever the state department wants to label them. I don't actually think that the US ever officially labelled the IRA as a terrorist group as due to the strong Irish presence in the US saw them as freedom fighters. You'll find a lot of these 'terrorist' groups are just fighting to get foreign troops off their soil, we would have done the same if the Germans invaded in WW2 and the US would have done the same if the Japanese troops had landed on US soil, to me they are freedom fighters. Also the PKK are fighting for Kurdish independence and not for religious ideology, their victims in Turkey and Iraq are muslims as well.

We didn't decide who got what in Afghanistan. Zia ul Haq's ISI did.

Ulysses you strike me as someone who if your country is invaded by bloodthirsty goons you blame your people for the invasion and not the invaders.