Gas prices are about more than just oil

When Jay Ricker, owner of the BP gas station off Interstate 70 in Plainfield, Ind., set the price of unleaded gasoline at $3.44 per gallon on Monday of last week, it was 4 cents higher than the Friday before.

That alone might have been irritating to drivers paying the highest gas prices in more than two years. It was even more so because it happened on a day when the price of crude oil, which is used to make gasoline, fell almost $1 a barrel.

"It's up 20 cents one day, down 10 cents the next day," says Oscar Elmore, a courier who was filling up his Ford Taurus at a RaceTrac service station in Dallas recently. "It sounds kinda fishy to me."

Gas prices rise when oil prices rise, and fall when oil prices fall — except when they don't. What you pay at your gas station depends on an array of factors, from what happens on an exchange in New York to what the competition is charging.

This can rankle drivers, especially these days. Gas reached a national average of $3.51 a gallon on Monday. That's up 14 cents, or 4 percent, over the past week. The week before, the average rose 20 cents, the steepest increase since September 2008.

A year ago, the price was $2.75. The average is the highest it's ever been this time of year, and analysts expect it to climb higher in the coming weeks.

Unlike an iPhone or a pair of jeans or a Big Mac, oil and gas are commodities, and their prices can change every second at the New York Mercantile Exchange and other trading hubs. Those far-off changes affect the cost of the next day's commute.

Sellers of commodities, like gas station owners and refineries, price their product based not on what it costs to produce it, but on what it costs to replace it. Stations like the Plainfield BP, which gets shipments of gas several times a week, must constantly adjust their prices to keep up with the changing costs of their shipments.

Oil is the biggest factor in gas prices. It accounts for 50 to 70 percent of the cost. Recent upheaval in the Middle East and strong demand for oil around the world have pushed oil prices over $100 a barrel for only the second time in history. But the price of a gallon of gas at the pump rises — and, yes, falls — for a number of other reasons.

Oil prices can be moved by geopolitics, the value of the dollar, extreme weather or Chinese demand. Gas prices can be moved by oil prices, refinery problems or even weather that might keep drivers at home.

In the next few weeks, gas prices are expected to rise as refiners switch to a more expensive blend of gasoline designed to help protect against evaporation during the warmer summer months.

"We have to pay whatever the market says we do. It's an instantaneous world," says Joe Petrowski, CEO of Gulf Oil, a big gasoline wholesaler.

Whether the gas at the Plainfield BP was made from a barrel of oil pumped a month ago 1,000 miles away in Williston, N.D., or three months ago and 7,000 miles away in Kuwait, its price is set by buyers and sellers in New York hours before Ricker buys it.

There's no way to know exactly where the oil used to make the gasoline sold at the Plainfield BP came from, or even where the gas was refined. Oils from many sources are mixed together on their way to a refinery, and gasolines from many refineries are mixed together on their way to a fuel terminal, where gas is stored before trucks take it to gas stations.

But here's a plausible route: Oil is pumped by a company with wells in Texas or Louisiana and piped to a major oil hub in Cushing, Okla. From there, it is sold to an energy trader who may store it or trade it a few times.

Then BP buys it to feed its Whiting, Ind., refinery. After a two-week pipeline trip to Whiting, the oil is cooked into gasoline and piped to BP's fuel terminal in Indianapolis.

There, BP blends it with ethanol and a few special BP-branded additives and sets a final wholesale price, known as the rack price. It's this rack price that leads to the final pump price for most station owners.

A wholesaler like BP or Gulf each has its own formula for setting the rack price. In an attempt to smooth out the spikes and dips of the market, a wholesaler usually buys some of his fuel through long-term contracts. The rest is bought on the so-called spot market, priced at a given moment by a benchmark like the New York Harbor gasoline price.

Every day at 5 p.m., BP tells Ricker what the rack price will be starting at 6 p.m. That price is good for 24 hours.

Ricker hires a trucker to go to the terminal a short drive away in Indianapolis, fill 'er up with 10,000 gallons and bring it to his station. Then Ricker decides what price to charge customers based on his ultimate concerns: the Speedway and Circle K stations that share an intersection with him.

There are only two or three pennies per gallon in profit selling gas for most station owners. What Ricker really wants is to attract customers to sell the truly precious liquids: Not the gasoline and diesel outside, but the water and soft drinks inside.

Three times a day, his station manager, Debbie Sennett, records his competitors' prices. When the competition lowered prices on Tuesday, so did Ricker, to $3.24 per gallon.

"Gasoline is the only product in this country that if you're a penny different people will go out of their way to go somewhere else," Ricker says.

Wholesale gasoline prices have risen 38 cents per gallon, or 15 percent, since the first uprising in Libya on Feb. 15. When wholesale gas prices rise fast, filling station owners get squeezed or even lose money because competition prevents them from raising retail prices as fast as costs are rising.

So if it seems that station owners take their time lowering prices when oil and wholesale gas get cheaper, it's because that's exactly what they do.

"If gasoline prices drop a dime, a station will only pass along one or two pennies a day," says Patrick DeHaan, an analyst at GasBuddy.com, a website that collects and publishes retail gas prices. "They are slower to pass along the discount because they need to make up for money they lost when prices went up."

Through the first eight weeks of 2011, average gross profit for gas stations was 4.9 percent, according to the Oil Price Information Service. In 2010, it was 6 percent.

That doesn't draw much sympathy from those who have to pay more at the pump, though. "To me it seems like a money game," says Steve Armonett of Indianapolis, who pulled into Ricker's BP to fill up his Buick LeSabre recently. "They're just worried about how much money they can make."

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I wish you had MY gas-prices, sweethearts !

I´m paying about US-$ 8,-- per gallon here in Germany. :mad:
 

Petra

Cult Mother and Simpering Cunt
I'm so fucking glad I'm running mostly on LPG. I'm paying just over $3 per gallon (about 57 euro cents a liter). Makes a huuuuge difference.
 

Facetious

Moderated
R

I'm so fucking glad I'm running mostly on LPG. I'm paying just over $3 per gallon (about 57 euro cents a liter). Makes a huuuuge difference.

Excellent! You're also expending about 30 less Cº2 into the environment when running on LPG.
Bi fuel cars and trucks are the way to go, it's just too bad that our politicians are rewarded by their special interests to see differently. :hammer:




Re: Gas prices are about more than just oil


Steven Chu, U.S. Energy Secretary said in a Wall Street Journal Interview . . . .

"Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe."

http://sec.online.wsj.com/article/SB122904040307499791.html
 

larss

I'm watching some specialist videos
In the UK today it is around £1.33/litre which works out at £5.03/US Gallon or $8.12/US Gallon.

Stop whining.
I'd love to be paying just $3.50 a Gallon. Which is £2.17/US Gallon or 57p/litre
 

Facetious

Moderated
In the UK today it is around £1.33/litre which works out at £5.03/US Gallon or $8.12/US Gallon.

Stop whining.
I'd love to be paying just $3.50 a Gallon. Which is £2.17/US Gallon or 57p/litre

Stop whining? :dunno:
Our economy depends on reasonably priced fuel! Give u.s. a break! The states are much less densely populated than the UK and Europe, you're not going to hold it against u.s. are you?
If a product or a service costs half as much in the UK than it does in the states, you won't catch me cheerleading a price hike on your end.

What is the distance between your front door and your place of work?
. . . I should have first asked. . . do you even have to drive to work?
 
Re: R

Steven Chu, U.S. Energy Secretary said in a Wall Street Journal Interview . . . .

"Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe."

http://sec.online.wsj.com/article/SB122904040307499791.html

Fuck that, let Europe figure out how to lower the price of gasoline to the levels in teh U.S.

Whatever happened to "peak oil"? Are we really running out of oil? If so, why not go ahead and finish it off? Let's start drilling for it wherever there is some, from ANWAR to Antarctica, until we run out. No more oil should make tree huggers happy and since necessity if the mother of invention, I'm sure then electric cars would really catch on.
 
In the UK today it is around £1.33/litre which works out at £5.03/US Gallon or $8.12/US Gallon.

Stop whining.
I'd love to be paying just $3.50 a Gallon. Which is £2.17/US Gallon or 57p/litre

You do realize that of that £5.03/US Gallon, you are paying around £2.20 in taxes, then pay another 20% VAT on top of that.

Take that away, and your gas is no more expensive than US gas.
Taxes are killing your prices, not just oil prices. You are paying over £3.00 in taxes alone per US gallon.

And yes, I know how expensive gas is over there. I went to Ireland last year, and would rather fill up in Ireland to save money then to buy in Northern Ireland and pay the extra in taxes. I could save almost 1 Euro per gallon buying that way.
 
We are seriously taking it in the rear hard with no vaseline now. Something needs to change. Obama needs to flood the market with our reserves and then start drilling mercilessly in Alaska and anywhere else there is an abundance. In the meantime, I have to figure out why my 4 banger 2.4 is only getting 18 MPG in the city; it's driving me nuts considering my last care got close to 30 MPG in the city. Shit adds up quick.

It also hits the MTC bus riders. Can you believe it's $3.00 for fare during rush hour on the bus? $3.00 effin' dollars!?!? I remember when I was a kid with mom and occasionally we would ride the bus at about 25.-50c. Times have changed.

In the UK today it is around £1.33/litre which works out at £5.03/US Gallon or $8.12/US Gallon.

Stop whining.
I'd love to be paying just $3.50 a Gallon. Which is £2.17/US Gallon or 57p/litre

Big difference between your country and ours - and all of Europe for that matter.
 
High prices are good in the U.S. if they get dummies to get rid of their SUVs and big trucks.

I would rather say the fuck with oil drilling off our coasts. Fuck that. Instead, if we need to use Natural Gas as our "bridge tech" then for 10 or 15 years--take the environment hit with Natural Gas.

But EVERY AMERICAN needs to come together, stop this whole bullshit about hating the Gov't and wah wah and we MUST have our Politicians INVEST in PURE GREEN technology...whatever it is. We need to invest and in 20 years be completely OFF of all fossil fuels as a nation and as an economy.

We need to stop bitching, draw a line in the sand and move forward together....
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Oil isn't the long term answer, though I do agree with you as a short term solution. We've had over thirty years to figure this shit out and somehow we haven't come up with a solution to our dependency on foreign oil. I've championed a nuclear solution for some time now. It's simple, we have proven nuclear technology floating on and submerged under every major body of salt water on earth. My plan involves local nuclear power production- by county up to a certain population then by population as demand increases. IF every county in Texas, for example, used aircraft carrier/submarine nuclear reactor technology there would be no need for oil or coal fired power plants. Converting to electric vehicles wouldn't be an issue then, either, because fossil fuels wouldn't be used to charge the damn things. I'm not saying that would completely solve the problem but it would go a long way towards energy independence.
 

Kingfisher

Here Zombie, Zombie, Zombie...
3.89 in So-Cal right now. I believe if they got rid of the mid-grade gas, it would reduce costs by a minimum of .50 per gallon instantly. Who uses mid-grade gas anyways? Save manufacturing costs, lower costs across the board. But the gas companies won't do this, because they want to keep the costs up, with a justification.

And why, one state over... Nevada, gas per gallon is already .40 cents per gallon less than California. They don't have any refineries, oil wells, they have to truck in all the gas.
Oh we have CARB (California Air Resource Board) to thank for that crap. We have to have summer and winter blend. Well I'll tell you one thing, I get better mileage on Nevada gas, then I do California gas. But my car is not using the "California" gas as efficiently as non-additive gas.

On a side note, if we (Californian Government) disbanded and fired CARB we could hire and pay for over 10,000 teachers across the state. CARB doesn't do anything worthy, I see polluting cars every day.

Oil needs to be removed from the commodities market as well. I find some asshole who brags about speculating on the oil market and causing this, my BOOT is going UP HIS ASS!

CALIFORNIA SUCKS! We don't have a public transit system with a pile of steaming crap in the hand, you can't walk anywhere.

I HATE THIS STATE!
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
California and Texas are case studies in differing political philosophies producing the same fucked up out comes. No public transit to speak of, crumbling infrastructure, deregulated energy that caused prices to go up, poor air and water quality, huge gas tax, huge numbers of people on welfare, etc etc. You'd think one of these states would be demonstrably better off than the other because of the state government policies but that's not the case.
 
The problem with California and Texas is that there are too many people and the state "systems" were not designed to operate with such an influx of people. People are also living longer today than they were in the 1950s and 1960s.

California's roads are crumbling because there are too many cars and trucks on them. There is no money available to keep up repairs. The only money that exists is to do shitty patchwork repair. GM bought up all the public transit companies that were in Cali in the 1950s and 1960s and shut them down. It's all detailed in Fast Food Nation. GM essentially decided there wouldn't be any meaningful public transport in Cali ever. Cali would be the driving state. Fast Food became a product of the reliance on the car. It's all there in the book.

But, massive economic changes need to happen in Cali and in the U.S. or we will simply fall away into the forgotten abyss because things like healthcare and education and food cost too much money in our country, and our political system is bought and paid for by Corporations and Lobbyists. So, in the end, nothing will ever change because we all exist to fatten some company's profits whether we know it or not...
 
Off-shore drilling will do nothing now to immediately alleviate the cost of fuel. Hybrid cars need to be more prevalent, and these SUV gas guzzlers need to be weened off the road.
 
MORE drilling isnt going to help anyone
subsidizing and investing (heavily) in alternative fuel methods is the tough and smart deciaion. We should have done this in the 70s (and learned our lesson)
 
This is nothing more than ATTEMPT to justify the raising of gasoline prices. The price of oil at this time is being based upon speculation and nothing more. There is no shortage of oil or any problems, the US controls the LARGEST oil reserve in the world in Iraq so come on now. The oil companies will continue to raise the price and each time they do it a little more to see how far they can go before people start to really bitch about it and make changes in their habits. The last time they raised the price of oil and of course the gas prices go with it. The oil companies made RECORD profits. So, someone want to explain that. There is nothing wrong with profit but RECORD profits when you base the price on speculation. That my friends is complete and total BULLSHIT if you ask me. This reliance on oil will come to an end at some point in life but probably not in my lifetime.
 
Oil isn't the long term answer, though I do agree with you as a short term solution. We've had over thirty years to figure this shit out and somehow we haven't come up with a solution to our dependency on foreign oil. I've championed a nuclear solution for some time now. It's simple, we have proven nuclear technology floating on and submerged under every major body of salt water on earth. My plan involves local nuclear power production- by county up to a certain population then by population as demand increases. IF every county in Texas, for example, used aircraft carrier/submarine nuclear reactor technology there would be no need for oil or coal fired power plants. Converting to electric vehicles wouldn't be an issue then, either, because fossil fuels wouldn't be used to charge the damn things. I'm not saying that would completely solve the problem but it would go a long way towards energy independence.

Where do we store nuclear waste? Which state will agree to that task? :dunno:

Maybe the Middle East is the solution...:dunno: Very ironical but there's nothing out there but sand and "empty" holes in the earth if countries like Iraq and Kuwait are ~dry~ of oil now....:dunno:
 
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