I beg to differ Baill. Terrorists do need funds to carry on their activities and the easiest way to wealth is drug and piracy. 30M from January 2008. No joke, I think.
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Fuckin' Somalian pirates!
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Good point.
On another note, how in the hell does a pirate get an oil tanker sold on the black market?
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In other words, if I see a ship that says "COSCO" - China Ocean Shipping Company, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's cargo and/ or assets have anything to do with China ?
As Ed McMahon used to say . . "You're correct Sir"
COSCO leases vessels all over the world.
They don't. They ransom it off for far less than its actual value. The Sirius Star plus its cargo are worth about $250 million. The last number I heard that the pirates were demanding for it was $25 million. They know perfectly well that the ship is worthless to them unless they get a ransom, but they also know that every day they hold it is a day that Vela International can't use it and Aramco doesn't get paid for the oil in it, which is costing them both quite a bit of money. So its in the pirate's interest and Vela's interest to negotiate a ransom quickly and give it back.
Update..........looks like terrorist supporters want to take on the pirates
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/ap_on_bi_ge/piracy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/ap_on_bi_ge/piracy
Here we see one of the reasons religious fundamentalists are so popular in these countries. At least they can offer a sense of order and stability. In a choice between religious nuts and criminal thugs, most people go with the religious nuts. At least religious nuts follow a code of conduct.
Excellent point.......same reason Hammas is so popular in southern Lebanon
This is where we really need godzilla. So then he can come up from the depths of the water and eat the pirate ships for fun.
But then again, in this world, godzilla would rise from the water, eat the ship, get "food poisoning", and sue Somalia for false advertising. Then later write a book about how he survived eating a ship full of stanky pirates and grenades and other weapons, and profit on the book sales and buy a 350,000 sq ft mansion in beverly hills, and retire at the age of 34. Later he would get his own reality show called "Godzilla Will Crush You" which depicts the daily life of godzilla. Such things as going to the grocery store, signing contracts to buy new businesses, and doing fundraisers and childrens birthday parties.
But then again, in this world, godzilla would rise from the water, eat the ship, get "food poisoning", and sue Somalia for false advertising. Then later write a book about how he survived eating a ship full of stanky pirates and grenades and other weapons, and profit on the book sales and buy a 350,000 sq ft mansion in beverly hills, and retire at the age of 34. Later he would get his own reality show called "Godzilla Will Crush You" which depicts the daily life of godzilla. Such things as going to the grocery store, signing contracts to buy new businesses, and doing fundraisers and childrens birthday parties.
Absolutely. And not simply because they keep some semblance of law and order. Hamas is also hugely philanthropic to the Muslim population. They give away millions of dollars worth of homes, food, clothing, medical care, etc. every year. With 90% of the world's oil profits backing them, they can afford to buy the vote of just about every Muslim resident in Palestine.
Where did you get this information from?!
since Hamas came to power in Palestine they had huge problems with finance. Palestine administration used to recieve money from EU, and other countries. They are as poor as fuck! They even ain't got enough money to pay salaries for own government. They eat anybody's salt, and depend on the money of western countries. It is ridiculos!
And after 2006, their financial problems are only getting bigger:
perfect example:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ts-hamas-under-financial-pressure-472984.html
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/04/20/hamas-election060420.html
so Hamas is anything else, but not a big money owner who can buy someone's vote.
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"Consider the Indian Navy, which chose a different path. When an Indian ship was threatened, it answered fire with fire, sinking a suspected pirate "mother ship" and chasing off two smaller boats. The Indians made clear that lawlessness would not be rewarded. The Saudi response – negotiating terms with the lawless – simply encourages more deadly acts."
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From Wikipedia:
Hamas is particularly popular among Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, though it also has a following in the West Bank, and to a lesser extent in other Middle Eastern countries. Since its formation in 1987, Hamas has conducted numerous social, political, and military actions. Its popularity stems in part from its welfare and social services to Palestinians in the occupied territories, including school and hospital construction. The group devotes much of its estimated $70 million annual budget to an extensive social services network, running many relief and education programs, and funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues. According to the Israeli scholar Reuven Paz "approximately 90 percent of the organization's work is in social, welfare, cultural, and educational activities".
In 1973, the Islamic center 'Mujamma' was established in Gaza and started to offer clinics, blood banks, day care, medical treatment, meals and youth clubs. The centre plays an important role for providing social care to the people, particularly those living in refugee camps. It also extended financial aid and scholarships to young people who wanted to study in Saudi Arabia and the West. In particular, Hamas funded health services where people could receive free or inexpensive medical treatment. Hamas greatly contributed to the health sector, and facilitated hospital and physician services in the Palestinian territory. On the other hand, Hamas’s use of hospitals is sometimes criticised as purportedly serving the promotion of suicide bombings and other forms of violence against Israel. Hamas also funded education as well as the health service, and built Islamic charities, libraries, mosques, education centers for women. They also built nurseries, kindergartens and supervised religious schools that provide free meals to children. When children attend their schools and mosques, parents are required to sign oaths of allegiance. Refugees, as well as those left without homes, are able to claim financial and technical assistance from Hamas.
In any case, Hamas has significantly increased literacy in areas where it is active. Hamas also funds a number of other charitable activities, primarily in the Gaza Strip. These include religious institutions, medical facilities, and social needs of the area's residents. The work of Hamas in these fields supplements that provided by the United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA). Hamas is also well regarded by Palestinians for its efficiency and perceived lack of corruption compared to Fatah.
As far as funding goes, here's an excerpt from the Council on Foreign Relations:
Since its electoral victory to lead the PA, Hamas has had public funds at its disposal, though it does not have access to the foreign-aid dollars traditionally provided by the United States and European Union to the PA. Historically, much of Hamas's funding came from Palestinian expatriates and private donors in Saudi Arabia and other oil-rich Persian Gulf states. Iran also provides significant support, which some diplomats say could amount to $20 million to $30 million per year. In addition, some Muslim charities in the United States, Canada, and Western Europe funnel money into Hamas-backed social service groups. In December 2001, the Bush administration seized the assets of the Holy Land Foundation, the largest Muslim charity in the United States, on suspicions it was funding Hamas.
And regarding the Palestinian Authority's financial problems, I believe its largely a political ploy. They try to make the West look like the bad guys for cutting off "vital" funding, when they have millions of dollars stockpiled for terrorist operations. You'll notice that the two articles you cited are from 2006, yet Hamas is still there and the PA government is still running without much of any outside funding two years later. Its all a bullshit smear campaign on the U.S. and E.U. Nothing more.
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Ahah, Karma. I hope they suffered.
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From the BBC
Why can't the pirates be stopped?
Warships from at least nine countries are now operating in the Gulf of Aden and the waters off Somalia, but this may have only shifted the problem.
The Sirius Star was attacked a long way south of Somalia. The targeted area now encompasses over a quarter of the Indian Ocean and so is impossible to police. The International Maritime Bureau is advising ship-owners to adopt measure such as having look-outs or travelling at speeds which would allow them to outrun the pirates.
However, the pirates move extremely quickly and often at night and so it is often too late before the crew has realised what has happened.
Once the pirates have taken control of a ship, military intervention is complicated because of the hostages on board.
There is also no international legal system for people accused of piracy, although some have been put on trial in Kenya, while one group was captured by French forces and taken to face justice in France.
Some argue an international court is needed, backed by the UN, with perhaps even an international prison for those convicted.
Why do the pirates do it?
For the money.
The pirates treat the ship, its cargo and its crew as hostages and hold them for ransom.
The rewards they receive are rich in a country where there are no jobs and almost half the population needs food aid after 17 years of non-stop conflict.
The Kenyan foreign minister estimates that pirates have received $150m in the past year in ransom payments.
They use some of this money to fund future operations - more powerful weapons, bigger, faster boats and more sophisticated equipment.
More details:
Q&A: Somali piracy
Why can't the pirates be stopped?
Warships from at least nine countries are now operating in the Gulf of Aden and the waters off Somalia, but this may have only shifted the problem.
The Sirius Star was attacked a long way south of Somalia. The targeted area now encompasses over a quarter of the Indian Ocean and so is impossible to police. The International Maritime Bureau is advising ship-owners to adopt measure such as having look-outs or travelling at speeds which would allow them to outrun the pirates.
However, the pirates move extremely quickly and often at night and so it is often too late before the crew has realised what has happened.
Once the pirates have taken control of a ship, military intervention is complicated because of the hostages on board.
There is also no international legal system for people accused of piracy, although some have been put on trial in Kenya, while one group was captured by French forces and taken to face justice in France.
Some argue an international court is needed, backed by the UN, with perhaps even an international prison for those convicted.
Why do the pirates do it?
For the money.
The pirates treat the ship, its cargo and its crew as hostages and hold them for ransom.
The rewards they receive are rich in a country where there are no jobs and almost half the population needs food aid after 17 years of non-stop conflict.
The Kenyan foreign minister estimates that pirates have received $150m in the past year in ransom payments.
They use some of this money to fund future operations - more powerful weapons, bigger, faster boats and more sophisticated equipment.
More details:
Q&A: Somali piracy
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Won't do no good....
If the world shipping wants to avoid the pirates, I guess they would have to take the LONG way around Africa...
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