Feds Shutdown Top File-Sharing Site, Megaupload Today

[Erika Red]

But that's just my opinion on the matter and I really, really hope this particular event doesn't strengthen SOPA and PIPA because those bills are down right frightening.

I will agree I don't like SOPA and PIPA proposals, they are scary. I really don't want them. I think everything the law has in place with copyright + piracy laws can do the trick. this shut down had nothing to do with SOPA (its trimming maybe?). The laws currently in place should be enough, just law enforcement needs to be be more active using those laws shutting down sites that know-fully allow selling, sharing and streaming of pirated materials.

Sites like Facebook, YouTube and other has working systems in place to remove copyright infringed material, and they work. If you wanna make money like the big dogs then you should spend money, and make your site comply with copyright laws. Scripts can auto detect copyrighted material, audio and video. If someone flags material fro a violation, it should be pulled and held in a que for review. Those are just the simple things. I don't think there is any need for a file sharing sites, basically if you wanna upload something to a friend, then do so directly. Email, FTP, or remote transfer.

But I do know my opinion is like assholes, everyone has one. It does not hurt my feelings people disagree with me. I actually respect that ( I love a healthy debate, cause usually if its an intelligent debate, everyone learns something). But the way some go about stating their case needs work. Just cause they can steal, does not make stealing right.

 

[caring259]

How the hell can anyone on here say that Piracy is not stealing?! Come on guys are you that deluded?!

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

How the hell can anyone on here say that Piracy is not stealing?! Come on guys are you that deluded?!

I'm just saying I don't really give a fuck. Didn't give a fuck about Metallica and their nine figure bank accounts and don't give a fuck about anyone else, really. And I also think it's a good tool for the "little guy," (musically speaking, artistically speaking).

Yeah...like Eminem said, I just don't give a fuck.

 

[Erika Red]

how the hell can anyone on here say that piracy is not stealing?! Come on guys are you that deluded?!

thank you!

 

[xfire]

You can't unspill the milk, or put the shit back in the horse. The Internet has always been the bastion of outlaws, pirates, hackers, pornographers, and the fringe. Facebook has gone a long way to making the web mainstream, but mainstream it ain't. I don't want to give any government the right to seize my computer just because they think I might be doing something illegal. What's next, arresting me because I might be thinking an "illegal" thought?

 

[Erika Red]

You can't unspill the milk, or put the shit back in the horse. The Internet has always been the bastion of outlaws, pirates, hackers, pornographers, and the fringe. Facebook has gone a long way to making the web mainstream, but mainstream it ain't. I don't want to give any government the right to seize my computer just because they think I might be doing something illegal. What's next, arresting me because I might be thinking an "illegal" thought?

??? xfire - so does that make piracy OK? The old west was a bastion of outlaws, thieves, etc. but times changes, good people moved in, families and schools where built for honest people to live there, so it adapted and changed. Laws need to be in place and those that break them need to be upheld to those laws. As I stated I think there are enough laws currently in-place, but the unbelievable thinking by so many that its okay, to steal because they can or because other do, is just god smacking.

I don't want anyone's civil liberties taken away, but piracy is NOT a civil liberty. I DON'T want the government to arrest someone because they think the "might" be doing something wrong. But I DO want them to arrest those that are doing something wrong.

 

[xfire]

I've never posted that "piracy is ok". I think there's a fundamental problem with the definition of what is and what isn't "piracy". Copyright infringement, legally, isn't theft so your arguments about stealing are really without basis.

 

[Erika Red]

I've never posted that "piracy is ok". I think there's a fundamental problem with the definition of what is and what isn't "piracy". Copyright infringement, legally, isn't theft so your arguments about stealing are really without basis.

I know you didn't I was asking

See and I do not think so, because it is not only copyright infringement, it is Piracy we are also speaking of, and that is stealing.
pi·ra·cy (pr-s)
n. pl. pi·ra·cies
1.a. Robbery committed at sea. b. A similar act of robbery, as the hijacking of an airplane.
2. The unauthorized use or reproduction of copyrighted or patented material: software piracy.
3. The operation of an unlicensed, illegal radio or television station.
4. the act of plagiarizing; taking someone's words or ideas as if they were your own
plagiarisation, plagiarization, plagiarism
copyright infringement, infringement of copyright - a violation of the rights secured by a copyright.

What is copyright infringement? ~ from US Copyright Office
As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright owner.

My basis I think is justified, because piracy (the robbery or theft of and or hijacked materials) is as act which through it violates copyright infringement, and copyright infringement is reproduction and distribution of materials without the permission of the owner.

Also if you ever go to the legal seminars, they all show the MPAA video Ad, and it is so true when you buy distribute or sell pirated material you are stealing from all those that worked to produce it! Its not different then stealing one of those people wallets.

Also not pertaining to you, but anthers comment, just because an person has already made tons of money in there career, and my now be wealthy, does not give you the right to steal from them. I am not wealthy I work a full time job, have real bills, and do this as a second career. I hate that companies like BP make billions of dollars, of profit, a quarter! But it would still be wrong of me to fill my gas tank and not pay for it.

 

[xfire]

The Supreme Court has ruled that copyright infringement and theft are two different things. You may have a different interpretation of it but that's the current law of the land. That's why I said there's a fundamental problem with the definition of what is and what isn't "piracy".

 

[busenbust]

The authorities are pissing in the wind.

You can't control the www.

:yesyes: absolutely agree ts; and good thing too. who cares what they do; this will Always be circumvented. always .

 

[Supafly]

Attempts to talk around the clear point that both sharing copied and sharing stolen material of any kind is falling under very similar laws and is to be punished are really futile.

Please don't insult yourself by trying to make this legal or in some way in a grey area.

You either pay for stuff or get it from the owner for free, as in platforms like FreeOnes and all its affiliates, or you are a thief.

And the people who run platforms like MegaUpload are called 'Fences'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fence_(criminal)

They are no freedom fighters or something. They just run a racket with stolen goods.

 

[xfire]

That may be a clear point, Supa, but there are already laws in place to deal with it. My remarks go more toward SOPA and PIPA. They're clear over-reaching with these two bills.

I posted above the example that pornography is illegal in some countries. Should those countries demand that the United States execute warrants and extradite porn stars or even porn sites to face prosecution where it's illegal?

 

[Erika Red]

The Supreme Court has ruled that copyright infringement and theft are two different things. You may have a different interpretation of it but that's the current law of the land. That's why I said there's a fundamental problem with the definition of what is and what isn't "piracy".

That is true and many times the Supreme court has been wrong, and why this is slated for re-review in 2012 by the US Supreme court. That decision was handed down in 1985. and the ONLY reason they stated was because Theft is a criminal suit, while copyright infringement was a civil suit and they did not feel there was enough precedence set forth, to weigh down law enforcement agencies with criminal complaints.

Since that time the copyright acts have had many more presences set forth - only time will tell if the wording changes again in the supreme court. I feel this is why the term Piracy had to come into play to force criminal complaints against someone.

As I alwasy say - I will agree to dis-agree with you. In my eyes it is stealing. For you it is not. Many disagree with me on my right to bear arms also, but I firmly believe and am proud to alwasy be locked and loaded. I am a real red head - strongly opinionated lol

 

[Supafly]

I am a german citizen, so I do not know about new laws in the USA...

Just talking about news already in effect.

 

[Erika Red]

I posted above the example that pornography is illegal in some countries. Should those countries demand that the United States execute warrants and extradite porn stars or even porn sites to face prosecution where it's illegal?

No they should Block Porn websites, because porn is legal in many countries. Now I know My website has blocks against a few countries from seeing it, cause it is illegal. Also I have a list of countries I CAN NOT SEND DVDs to, and if someone purchase said DVD I must return their funds. Else then I would be breaking the law, and yes my ass should go to jail.

 

[Roald]

without those guys nobody would have known you, internet makes everybody famous... arresting people about copyrights is awful, there has to be a court order... this is worse than sopa

Copyrights is just part of it, another bigger claim is the Money laundering one.

 

[Erika Red]

without those guys nobody would have known you, internet makes everybody famous... arresting people about copyrights is awful, there has to be a court order... this is worse than sopa

Well that's a little rude, but okay. Just because you don't know someone does not make them unimportant. I have have some of the same site members and fans following me for over 5 years. I never said I was a Vicky Vette (but I would love to be in bed with her), but I was / have been under contract with a few companies, and out on my own as well. My market "BBW" if the second largest niche / fetish category in porn and growing the past few years. I will not pretend to be something I am not, but it does not make my point any less genuine.

 

[Erika Red]

Copyrights is just part of it, another bigger claim is the Money laundering one.

Exactly, basically when smart law enforcement, goes after a known crook they charge him first with the crime they KNOW they can make stick. History remembers Al Capone not going down for running an illegal booze and crime syndicate, but he went down for Tax Evasion! LMAO

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Just everybody keep those CB radios in your stash as when the government does close down freedom of speech and the NWO officially takes over at least we can communicate via those.

 

[Erika Red]

Just everybody keep those CB radios in your stash as when the government does close down freedom of speech and the NWO officially takes over at least we can communicate via those.

Hmm no CB, but I have my grand dads ol' Ham Radio in the attic. But seriously this is not about freedom of speech, it is about a knows crook getting shut down for illegal activities he was allowing and profiting from, among other things.