Election 2008

McBama or O' Cain?


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Obama first, Clinton second. Mostly just to **** off the conservatives. I mean come on, a black man or a woman as president? I can just picture a bunch of guys in expensive suits turning red with rage when the results are announced, and that mental image keeps me warm at night. Whether they'd make good presidents or not, I don't know. At least they have a fair chance of being better than Bush.

So your'e saying conservatives are racist and sexist?
I think most conservatives would be more concerned over more/new/higher taxes, weak national defense, dissapation of personal responsabilty,inflation,a fucked up economy and an overall bigger government stripping their rights and freedom of personal choice little by little until we have none.
Not whether or not the president has a vagina or tan skin. I mean I only hear the mention of Obamas skin color or Hillarys gender from Democrats. So who's what?
 
Plucap....relax dude. Take a chill pill. Assuming that the person who posted the ignorant info (and really..hasn't the "Obama muslim" email been old news for about 3 weeks now, seriously? Who here hasn't heard all about that email)...anyway..assuming the person you responded to is just another ignorant 18-25 male...that demo never votes anyway...:dunno:

TR - Based on what I've read from you in the past I'm a bit surprised at what seems a rather cavalier attitude here. The kind of ignorance at issue is actually frighteningly common, and at all age levels. Ignorance being a breeding ground for fear and ****, the obama misinformation emails, which target those most base, reactionary emotions, are having a greater impact than you perhaps realize. I applaud plucap for rightfully taking those who disseminate this garbage to task.
 
bodie--New Hampshire's primary results showed the nation and "the world" that America is still a surprisingly ugly, racist place. Ever since that result, Obama's candidacy has been trying to find the momentum he had coming out of Iowa.

Barak Obama's credentials for president are practically perfect. Maybe I would like him to have a little more experience, but his integrity is second to none.

All the Civil Rights era did was put the race card on the table, publically. In 40 years..I don't feel Black and White (and Brown) America are really any closer now then back then.

The tone and language used in the immigration debate is disgusting enough when you just listen to the words themselves. Lou Dobbs, of CNN, spends 90% of his nightly show seething over ******* Immigration and saying the word "Mexican" like I say the word "Dentist."

For all the idealism and "horror" that the sub-25 demo shows on MTV and on the college campus...when it comes time to vote...they never show up.

Ron Paul's newfound popularity seems to suggest, to me, that there's a group of Americans that want to be able to cluster together in little nests of intolerance..free to do as they please without regard for conforming to a higher public standard.

We are certainly a country in need of change. I'm not sure what the best way to combat ignorance is...
 
The tone and language used in the immigration debate is disgusting enough when you just listen to the words themselves. Lou Dobbs, of CNN, spends 90% of his nightly show seething over ******* Immigration and saying the word "Mexican" like I say the word "Dentist."

OMG you're an anti-dentite.:ban:
 
So your'e saying conservatives are racist and sexist?
Are you seriously trying to say conservatives/republicans do not represent these things in America?
Lets see on racism the pubs are stuck at getting 11% of the black vote in presidential elections so it is clear blacks for some reason do not feel comfortable with them.
And on sexism the republican platform calls for a constitutional amendment to deprive women of their right to control their bodies and reproductives systems.This from a party overwhelming represented by men,that sounds pretty sexist to me.

I mean I only hear the mention of Obamas skin color or Hillarys gender from Democrats. So who's what?
Yes those dems are obviously anti-white and anti-men by being proud of the fact that they have some diversity in their party.:rolleyes:

All the Civil Rights era did was put the race card on the table, publically. In 40 years..I don't feel Black and White (and Brown) America are really any closer now then back then.

The tone and language used in the immigration debate is disgusting enough when you just listen to the words themselves. Lou Dobbs, of CNN, spends 90% of his nightly show seething over ******* Immigration and saying the word "Mexican" like I say the word "Dentist."


We are certainly a country in need of change. I'm not sure what the best way to combat ignorance is...
And the backlash against those cards being put on the table has been immense.LBJ knew what he was talking about when he said after signing the civil rights act "we have lost the south for at least the next 20 years".As Xaru alluded to in another thread all the racism used to be out in the open now it is just been pushed undergorund and there are code words used to express it instead.While I won't say the US has not made progress because it has IMO we still have very long way to go before equality becomes a reality.

And I agree that this debate on immigration is very ugly and just drips with racist sentiments.A hundred years ago it was the the Irish who were resented in the same way as they would "change the country" because they were different also, just in a different way(they were catholics which made the protestant majority nervous).Now you hear how "were" not having enough baby's but "they" are having plenty so white america might disappear.

This will only be less common thinking when people see the inherent similarities in all people instead of some cultural,ethnic differences which on balance I think are very small.
 
Ok Fomm, Yes I am seriously saying they don't.
There are many ways to interperet racism and sexism, yours and mine are just different.
 
So your'e saying conservatives are racist and sexist?

Badly phrased maybe, but yes, refusing to acknowledge someone because of race or gender is about as conservative as you can get without actively arguing for the return of feudalism. I was using the word in the social context (i.e. the proper one), not necessarily the political one (although how far from the truth that would be could be debated).
 
Ok Fomm, Yes I am seriously saying they don't.
There are many ways to interperet racism and sexism, yours and mine are just different.

Can you give me an example of a different interpretation of racism? Democrats are talking about Obama's skin color and Hillary's gender because they are things to discuss. The Dems are offering the first real black candidate, the first real women candidate, and when Richardson was in the race, the first real latino presidential candidate. Diversity is clearly on the minds of the Dems.

The Repubs have put up another group of angry, old, white men. Alan Keyes is a black conservative but you don't see him sharing the national stage with the white men, do you? Alan Keyes is probably running for president simply as a job hunting technique because he has no role in the republican party and desperately wants some sort of role with some degree of fame....
 
Thats my point, white men, black men, women ,men latinos, ect ect.
Maybe if many just thought of those as simply Americans first and foremost the country could do away with many self imposed race issues and move on in more positive, productive ways as a country united, not divided into stupid groups.
1 group- Americans.

"Grampa, my friend Sol says I am predjudice."
"Who is Sol, Johnny?"
"Sol is my Jewish friend grampa"
"Ahh then you are predjudice Johnny, because you think of Sol as your Jewish friend and not just as your friend."
 
Maybe if many just thought of those as simply Americans first and foremost the country could do away with many self imposed race issues and move on in more positive, productive ways as a country united, not divided into stupid groups.
1 group- Americans.

This sounds horribly naive and nothing more then "if we put our heads in the sand, maybe the problem will just go away.."

Meesterperfect--there are basic inequalities to education, wealth, employment etc. between white established America and "new America" which are minority Americans.

If you want "true American equality" we must have government policies which take down "suburbs," "barrios" and "ghettoes"....these are racially-motivated economic strategies where resources are both protected and focused...
 
Tonight's Democratic debate on CNN is the nastiest, venomous Democratic debate thus far...mostly it's Hillary trying to accuse Obama of being a Slum-load and sex fiend!

Oh, the claws come out on MLK Day! Yikes!
 
Thats my point, white men, black men, women ,men latinos, ect ect.
Maybe if many just thought of those as simply Americans first and foremost the country could do away with many self imposed race issues and move on in more positive, productive ways as a country united, not divided into stupid groups.
1 group- Americans.

That'd be great. Unfortunately, that view relies on the assumption that everything is fine already. Trying to fish for sympathy due to race or gender is bad, but at least there is something different there to use as bait. If both sides actually had some diversity, that argument would be void and the problem would be solved.
 
We need to think of eachother as individuals instead of playing this sex and race card crap.

IMO the civil rights act of 1964 was idiotic and wrong.

It further divided people into groups by giving certain groups rights that others did not get.

Affirmative Action and such.
 
We need to think of eachother as individuals instead of playing this sex and race card crap.

IMO the civil rights act of 1964 was idiotic and wrong.

It further divided people into groups by giving certain groups rights that others did not get.

Affirmative Action and such.

No offense but you apparently know very little about the civil rights act of 1964.Affirmative action(which we can debate some other time lol) was in no way mentioned.

From wikepedia:

"The bill had been introduced by President John F. Kennedy in his civil rights speech of June 11, 1963,[1] in which he asked for legislation "giving all Americans the right to be served in facilities which are open to the public—hotels, restaurants, theaters, retail stores, and similar establishments," as well as "greater protection for the right to vote."

"The bill was sent to the House of Representatives, and referred to the House Judiciary Committee, chaired by Emmanuel Celler. After a series of hearings on the bill, Celler's committee greatly strengthened the act, adding provisions to ban racial discrimination in employment. The bill was reported out of the Judiciary Committee in November 1963, but was then referred to the Rules Committee, whose chairman, Howard W. Smith, a Democrat from Virginia, indicated his intention to keep the bill bottled up indefinitely.

It was at this point that President Kennedy was assassinated. The new president, Lyndon Johnson, utilized his experience in parliamentary politics and the bully pulpit he wielded as president in support of the bill.

Because of Smith's stalling of the bill in the Rules Committee, Celler filed a petition to discharge the bill from the Committee. Only if a majority of members signed the discharge petition, the bill would move directly to the House floor without consideration by advocates. Initially Johnson had a difficult time acquiring the signatures necessary, as even many congressmen who supported the civil rights bill itself were cautious about ********* House procedure with the discharge petition. By the time of the 1963 winter recess, fifty signatures were still wanting.

On the return from the winter recess, however, matters took a significant turn. The President's public advocacy of the Act had made a difference of opinion in congressmen's home districts, and soon it became apparent that the petition would acquire the necessary signatures. To prevent the *********** of the success of the petition, Chairman Smith allowed the bill to pass through the Rules Committee.

The bill was brought to a vote in the House on February 10, 1964, and ****** by a vote of 290 to 130, and sent to the Senat





Before that it was lawfull to bar blacks from public places like lunch counters and similar places.And to discriminatorily block them from voting and employment.It was a great piece of legislation and one of the really good things the president at the time LBJ who spoke and fought for it very passionately did in his time in office.No other president besides maybe Lincoln did more to advance EQUAL rights in this country.He was all wrong with vietnam but this he was not wrong on.



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It really sucks Fred Thompson has dropped out of the Presidential race. :(
 
No offense but you apparently know very little about the civil rights act of 1964.Affirmative action(which we can debate some other time lol) was in no way mentioned.

From wikepedia:

"The bill had been introduced by President John F. Kennedy in his civil rights speech of June 11, 1963,[1] in which he asked for legislation "giving all Americans the right to be served in facilities which are open to the public—hotels, restaurants, theaters, retail stores, and similar establishments," as well as "greater protection for the right to vote."

"The bill was sent to the House of Representatives, and referred to the House Judiciary Committee, chaired by Emmanuel Celler. After a series of hearings on the bill, Celler's committee greatly strengthened the act, adding provisions to ban racial discrimination in employment. The bill was reported out of the Judiciary Committee in November 1963, but was then referred to the Rules Committee, whose chairman, Howard W. Smith, a Democrat from Virginia, indicated his intention to keep the bill bottled up indefinitely.

It was at this point that President Kennedy was assassinated. The new president, Lyndon Johnson, utilized his experience in parliamentary politics and the bully pulpit he wielded as president in support of the bill.

Because of Smith's stalling of the bill in the Rules Committee, Celler filed a petition to discharge the bill from the Committee. Only if a majority of members signed the discharge petition, the bill would move directly to the House floor without consideration by advocates. Initially Johnson had a difficult time acquiring the signatures necessary, as even many congressmen who supported the civil rights bill itself were cautious about ********* House procedure with the discharge petition. By the time of the 1963 winter recess, fifty signatures were still wanting.

On the return from the winter recess, however, matters took a significant turn. The President's public advocacy of the Act had made a difference of opinion in congressmen's home districts, and soon it became apparent that the petition would acquire the necessary signatures. To prevent the *********** of the success of the petition, Chairman Smith allowed the bill to pass through the Rules Committee.

The bill was brought to a vote in the House on February 10, 1964, and ****** by a vote of 290 to 130, and sent to the Senat





Before that it was lawfull to bar blacks from public places like lunch counters and similar places.And to discriminatorily block them from voting and employment.It was a great piece of legislation and one of the really good things the president at the time LBJ who spoke and fought for it very passionately did in his time in office.No other president besides maybe Lincoln did more to advance EQUAL rights in this country.He was all wrong with vietnam but this he was not wrong on.



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