Egypt: make your predictions

[Trident1]

:wtf:

Some cum-stain edited my post. I know who it was.

 

[Trident1]

The brown hoards are coming!

How come you conservative heroes out there talk tough all the time yet piss your pants so easily?

I'm not afraid of any "brown" hoard. I'm more concerned about peace and stability in the region.

Aren't you Mr. Malay?

 

[Baill Inneraora]

Te Muslim Brotherhood will controlthe Suez Canal; therfore the flow of oil to Europe.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Te Muslim Brotherhood will controlthe Suez Canal; therfore the flow of oil to Europe.

Time for them to get cracking on those alternative energy solutions!:1orglaugh

 

[Evil Hobo]

Well the Egyptian military is respected among the people so they'll be allowed to handle things until a new gov't is formed hopefully with no Islamists. Egypt has much to gain or lose depending on which choice is made.

Firstly it was the Egyptian Military who for years acted as the strong arm of the dictators, allowing them to keep unquestionable power for decades in return for benefitting the high-ranking generals.

I would imagine there must have been a massive media campaign to convince the Egyptian people otherwise to this glaringly obvious fact. And military juntas/appointed governments are in no way compatible with democracy.
The military should safeguard the transition to democracy as opposed to managing and controlling it.

As for Islamists, can you please elaborate?
It would be unfortunate and quite naive of anyone to automatically fall into the trap of thinking all Islamists are bad for or rivals/enemies of the West. Islamism is a broad spectrum of movements that use their own purpose-fabricated interpretation of Islamic teaching to excuse and give reason to their own (usually repressive) rule.
It can just as well be pro-West as Anti-West, as demonstrated by the current Extremist Saudi Regime who are incredibly pro-West and use Islam to benefit Western agenda and influence to no-end. Another past example might be the Afghan Mujahideen and their Extremist Pakistani backers who prevented the spread of Communism.

A true political genius would view Islamism as a force to be harnessed rather than something to be opposed regardlessly - politics and ethics don't go together, and moral crusades never really seem to prosper unfortunately.

Are you saying that the will of the people is practiced here in the west?

Comparitively to the Middle-East which I lived in for years, the people's will is represented a lot more so. I agree there is no such thing as an absolute democracy, and it does often seem the major political parties rarely differ on some of the most pressing issues in my opinion. However, the freedom to criticise and speak freely and try to convince others of alternatives is unheard of in the Middle-East.

Take care.

 

[Trident1]

Please show me an Islamist group that supports the existence of Israel.

 

[Evil Hobo]

Please show me an Islamist group that supports the existence of Israel.

As far as I know, none do. But Isreal is in no way representative of the West or it's broader agendas.
It is merely a Pro-Western country like Saudi Arabia and Jordan. They don't necessarily need to get along with one another, as long as they are all influenced by the West, they will benefit it and never attack one another as the West wont allow them to do so.

I mean Israel has glaringly obvious institutionalised racism against Arabs and the state doesn't support a single Islamic (not even extremist) or cultural organisation representing it's relatively massive and badly oppressed Arab population.
Though that doesn't mean it will ever attack another pro-Western Islamic and Arabic country like Saudi or Jordan no matter how much they hate one another.

P.S. Yay! 200 posts! :nanner:

Take care.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

I predict the rise of Serpentor. Cobra-la-la-la-la-la-la!

 

[YMIHERE]

The Egyptian revolution destroys the myth that the revolution will not be televised.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Firstly it was the Egyptian Military who for years acted as the strong arm of the dictators, allowing them to keep unquestionable power for decades in return for benefitting the high-ranking generals.



I would imagine there must have been a massive media campaign to convince the Egyptian people otherwise to this glaringly obvious fact. And military juntas/appointed governments are in no way compatible with democracy.
The military should safeguard the transition to democracy as opposed to managing and controlling it.



As for Islamists, can you please elaborate?
It would be unfortunate and quite naive of anyone to automatically fall into the trap of thinking all Islamists are bad for or rivals/enemies of the West. Islamism is a broad spectrum of movements that use their own purpose-fabricated interpretation of Islamic teaching to excuse and give reason to their own (usually repressive) rule.
It can just as well be pro-West as Anti-West, as demonstrated by the current Extremist Saudi Regime who are incredibly pro-West and use Islam to benefit Western agenda and influence to no-end. Another past example might be the Afghan Mujahideen and their Extremist Pakistani backers who prevented the spread of Communism.



A true political genius would view Islamism as a force to be harnessed rather than something to be opposed regardlessly - politics and ethics don't go together, and moral crusades never really seem to prosper unfortunately.


You can argue correctly that there's much more to life and history than war and conflict, but as non-Muslims, that's what we have to be aware of.[/I]



Comparitively to the Middle-East which I lived in for years, the people's will is represented a lot more so. I agree there is no such thing as an absolute democracy, and it does often seem the major political parties rarely differ on some of the most pressing issues in my opinion. However, the freedom to criticise and speak freely and try to convince others of alternatives is unheard of in the Middle-East.

Take care.

The central security service and the police seem to have earned more hatred as they enforced his authority on the people. The Egyptian military was made of conscripts at the lower level and identified more closely with the civilians. Young men would shuffle in and out of the military as a matter of course. They weren't involved in the daily annoyances like extracting fines out of civilians and all the corruption that brings. Also, the plain clothes police were drawn from the central security service and not the army.

* Did you not know these things or were you just looking to pick a fight with Trident?

Islamists that actually follow their religion are enemies of non-Muslims because Islam is uniquely structured as a conquering ideology. It's found in the words and deeds of Muhammad and his rightly led companions and is the defining theme of Muslim history.

Islam uniquely puts the Muslim above the non-Muslim in peace time and encourages war by making the definition of "just war" or "Jihad" flexible and rewarding for aggressive young Muslim men.

So while we aren't likely to see fights between Egypt and powerful Western
led countries the nature of the religion coupled wWith Islam's ideology it won't be useful to Western, non-Muslim powers. Couple that with Europe's demographic problems and it's proximity to the Middle East and we're looking at conflicts in the mid and long term. I don't think the Muslim Brotherhood will be going on moral crusades, they are too smart for that. What they do believe in is incremental change. When the time is right that inevitably means conflict with non-Muslims.

Israel is strongly supported by the United States. Muslims prevailing attitude toward Israel's control of Palestine and Al Quds means we are operating at cross purposes. Unless organizations like AIPAC and Zionists within the U.S. media, think tanks and Congress lose quite a bit of influence over policy makers, we're bound to see problems in the mid term.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

As far as I know, none do. But Isreal is in no way representative of the West or it's broader agendas.
It is merely a Pro-Western country like Saudi Arabia and Jordan. They don't necessarily need to get along with one another, as long as they are all influenced by the West, they will benefit it and never attack one another as the West wont allow them to do so.

I mean Israel has glaringly obvious institutionalised racism against Arabs and the state doesn't support a single Islamic (not even extremist) or cultural organisation representing it's relatively massive and badly oppressed Arab population.
Though that doesn't mean it will ever attack another pro-Western Islamic and Arabic country like Saudi or Jordan no matter how much they hate one another.

P.S. Yay! 200 posts! :nanner:

Take care.

At the same time Islam has glaringly institutionalized racism/bias towards non-Muslims. One of the most obvious examples is the prohibition against non-Muslim men marrying Muslim women.

Allowing for Muslim men to marry non-Muslim women while barring the opposite serves to increase the Muslim population by conversion, and decrease the non-Muslim population by removing women out of the population who would have given birth to non-Muslim children.

Add in Muslim male attitudes that gives a "wink and a nod" to Muslim men "taking" non-Muslim women and you have a problem that happens around the world and has brought Muslims into conflict with Sikhs, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Christians, Yazedis, Buddhists, Jews and pagans.

Islam is an expansionist ideology geared to harness the aggressive energy of young men. It started with their prophet and continues to this day.

 

[TheOrangeCat]

I also predict CNN will spend more time talking about Americans in Egypt, Americans getting out of Egypt and Americans in America but with American families in Egypt, than it will actually covering the events, the reasons behind them, and the geo-politcal consequences .....

 

[Facetious]

Just a breakaway from the serious stuff here ...Is octomum, Natalie Suliemon a relative of the new Egyptian vice pres? (a Suliemon himself) :tongue:

 

[Trident1]

Just a breakaway from the serious stuff here ...Is octomum, Natalie Suliemon a relative of the new Egyptian vice pres? (a Suliemon himself) :tongue:

I thought she was Turkish.



Whatever happens in Egypt Israel will watch the events closely. Now they've got nutters in Lebanon(Iranian proxy), Syria(it's army is a joke), and Egypt.

The Egyptian people hopefully will make the best choice and go with a secular/military gov't. If they choose an anti West/Israel gov't then they'll lose tons of aid money and tourist dollars.

 

[marksio]

If things get worse in Egypt, Russians will again interfere, as they did when Jews wanted to conquer the Sinai Peninsula! Let's not forget that most Russians run away from the severe Russian winter exactly in Egypt.

 

[vodkazvictim]

I also predict CNN will spend more time talking about Americans in Egypt, Americans getting out of Egypt and Americans in America but with American families in Egypt, than it will actually covering the events, the reasons behind them, and the geo-politcal consequences .....

Yep.

The Egyptian people hopefully will make the best choice and go with a secular/military gov't. If they choose an anti West/Israel gov't then they'll lose tons of aid money and tourist dollars.

I hope you don't see a military government as a long term option?

If things get worse in Egypt, Russians will again interfere, as they did when Jews wanted to conquer the Sinai Peninsula! Let's not forget that most Russians run away from the severe Russian winter exactly in Egypt.

The Russians interfere on such a small scale? Or a larger one? I'm not sure they'll step in at all, once all their people are out.
You know Germany, Russia and the usa all sent extra planes to evacuate their citizens from Egypt because Egypt air was down.
Iraq even sent the PMs private jet.
So what did "call me Dave" send to help the Brits stranded in revolutionary Egypt? Jack fucking shit.

 

[emceeemcee]

You could say the same thing about Muslims seeing that they have a longer history of torture and contempt for democracy than the American right.

you can't handle any of those bitter home truths about your own country so you just resort to deflection and strawman arguments.

On top of that, Muslims are slaughtering non-Muslims all over the Middle East, Africa and Asia. You're just one of many hypocrites.

some indoctrinated American rightard who thinks his country has never put a foot wrong wants to moan about hypocrisy and double standards :1orglaugh

 

[emceeemcee]

I'm not afraid of any "brown" hoard. I'm more concerned about peace and stability in the region.

Aren't you Mr. Malay?

Oh dear, now 'Malay' has replaced 'French' as the new insult of choice among the hapless conservative underclass in the US



:1orglaugh

 

[emceeemcee]

Well, looks like there has been some calls to violence against Americans after all. From Mubarak's supporters:

Al Jazeera's online producer in Cairo said rocks were continously being thrown from both sides. He said that though the army had put up barricades around the square, they let the pro-Mubarak supporters through.

"The people on horses are pro-Mubarak supporters, they are a very angry crowd looking for anyone working for Al Jazeera and for Americans. They are trying to get on the other side of the army tanks to get to the anti-Mubarak supporters. More and more pro-Mubarak supporters are coming in."

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/201122124446797789.html

So I guess for all those stateside like Trident who support Mubarak, traitor can be added to their list of qualities :dunno:

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

I thought she was Turkish.



Whatever happens in Egypt Israel will watch the events closely. Now they've got nutters in Lebanon(Iranian proxy), Syria(it's army is a joke), and Egypt.

The Egyptian people hopefully will make the best choice and go with a secular/military gov't. If they choose an anti West/Israel gov't then they'll lose tons of aid money and tourist dollars.

Her Dad is Iraqi and her mom is Lithuanian-American. The Dad had to go back to work in Iraq as a contractor in order to support all those grandchildren.