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Did man really land on the Moon ?

Did man land on the Moon

  • Yes

    Votes: 108 65.9%
  • No

    Votes: 33 20.1%
  • What the hell is Skyraider smoking to make him ask a question like this

    Votes: 23 14.0%

  • Total voters
    164
  • Poll closed .
What, prey tell, would be the motivation for any of those involved in this conspiracy to remain silent up until now? There must be some amazingly important reason to have kept a top secret lid on this. When you think of all those NASA employees, that is an awful lot of people to have in on a conspiracy.
Exactly.

In this day and age of tabloid journalism and instant fame it's ridiculous to think hundreds if not thousands of people would still keep quiet about this.

Same with Roswell.

They couldn't even keep it quiet that Clinton was getting blow jobs in the Oval Office!!!

:cool:
 
You're THAT old? Time does play tricks with your memory.........along with that was back in 1969, when EVERYONE was on LSD and who knows what else!

Do we have the right stuff to get to the moon today? I believe we do. Remember that just a little less than 2 years before the supposed moon landing, 3 astronauts were killed in a fire on a launch pad. Now if NASA is the same as it was back then, it would be more than 2 or 3 years before another shuttle was launched. Look at Challenger and Columbia: both tragedies grounded the space program for a MINIMUM of 24 months. After Challenger, NASA was almost totally disbanded and I wish it would've been. NASA is a total waste of time and money.

Now that would have made the trip even better!

:glugglug:

Seriously, I doubt that kind of hoax was played upon the public and was not leaked out by a reputable source...
 
if the moon landing was fake then explain apollo 13
 
I've watched a documentary about this very topic, and yes we did. :)
High school level, 18th century physics can easily disprove the "facts" in those videos. It's pathetic that with each passing year, more and more people believe they were faked.

Going to the moon was far easier than designing, let alone maintaining, the Shuttle Transport System (STS) -- see below.

The moon has no resources
This is utterly false! There are many minerals that, at some point, will be worth extracting. It all depends on when they become rare on the earth, and if we can get the price per Kg down for launch and return.

But in the immediate future, it's about using the moon as a launching pad for Mars. Frankly, I think that's not ideal, but that's another story -- see below

I did work with someone at one of my old jobs who said we didn't. He also said that nobody knows how large the earth is, how big the sun is, how far away the moon is, and doesn't believe in the other planets in our solar system.
Obviously he thinks things like spectrum analysis, engineering mechanics and other, common physics and physical chemistry concepts are "made up," correct?


Let me say one thing. It's was much, much easier to go to the moon than keep the Shuttle Transport System (STS) going 30+ years. With the new US initiative to go back to the moon (which I personally disagree with), the new Orion Project is attempting to build a sustainable lunar and, eventually, Mars transport system.

The Gemini-Apollo projects were sub-5 year missions with no intent to build sustainable transport systems. That's why they were doable. It was the wrong thing to do, and we should have been focusing on sustainable programs.

And in that note, I do not think the Orion Project is the means to do it. NASA needs to refocus on getting the price per kg down, instead of these pie-in-the-sky projects that change every 5 years. It's ignorant civilian leaders, who care about popular views which are even more ignorant, not listening to engineers who actually want to build a sustainable, 20+ year system.

We should not be doing manned space missions until we get that price down. We can do far more with far less when you don't have the human safety factor involved, let alone make better use of the space and weight on the craft. Right now we're going backwards, instead of looking at the next generation of two stage and, eventually, single stage to orbit (SSTO) solutions.

We have the technology to have an air-breathing, sub-orbital first stage now (no LOx), with new composites and controls. We should refocus on that, and not reusing a solid rocket first stage with Apollo-era approaches. That will drastically bring down the price per Kg, and advance our launch systems to the point that we can launch people safer and with less effort in the future.

And for anyone who thinks NASA's budget would make a dent if used for social services, you haven't looked at NASA's pathetic budget. It's nothing next to even just DARPA (R&D) in the DoD, let alone all sorts of welfare, and that's before you factor in state budgets like for education and what not. The return there is much, much better than most educational programs, ironically.
 
Neil and Buzz ...

Don't ever tell Buzz Aldrin it didn't happen. He'll punch you in the face!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU
I would not suggest doing it to one of our other heros Neil Armstrong either, I know a guy who was there with Neil when some nut accosted him at LAX. Neil didnt bat an eye after he asked the guy to back off and he didn't...BAM right in the kisser... nut went down.
Nothing quite as funny as seeing someone get thier ass kicked by a 74+ year old man (at the time). I just wish I had been there myself to see it! :rofl:
Neil and Buzz have been harassed many times to the point that Buzz finally punched a repeat offender who was lugging his camera crew around.

Neil Armstrong was chosen because he was the most humble Astronaut. To this day he keeps a very low profile, gives very few interviews and never, ever benefits from being the first man on the moon. About the only thing he does is that if anyone tries to benefit from him indirectly, he forces them to donate any proceeds to charity.

Neil's coolness was proven in Gemini 8 when he made a split second decision to bring the RCS on-line and the necessary roll actions before the spacecraft was undergoing angular momentum to the point that both he and Scott were blacking out due to a stuck attitude thruster. If he hadn't, Americans would have been looking up into the sky for the next few years and thought about the spinning spacecraft with two astronauts with their brains literally rattling around inside of theirs skulls.

Buzz Aldrin doesn't get enough credit for what he did on Gemini 12, the very last mission before Apollo. He is the father of working in space. Truth be told, Americans couldn't figure out how to Spacewalk. Sure, White got out in Gemini 4 and just hovered about for 20 minutes, no different than the Russian for 10 minutes prior. But in every Gemini mission after that, to actually "work in space," every astronaut that attempts to work around the spacecraft instantly got frustrated, worn out and often fogged up their visor until they made adjustments with their mix and just gave up.

Buzz designed the handles, tools and techniques to actually brace, move and otherwise work on the spacecraft, which he make look easy when he himself used them on Gemini 12. Before that, NASA never had a successful EVA (other than "float about" -- same as the Russians). He was also involved with many aspects of Rendezvous that NASA would later deploy during Apollo, based on Gemini experiences (and it was also his PhD focus).

You're talking the cream of the crop who were chosen for the Apollo 11 mission -- which was far from smooth. In fact, using the world's first, craft deployed digital computer, it regularly overloaded during the decent. Later on, Buzz realized that he was likely at fault for the overloads because he left one of the radars on -- on-purpose -- because he wanted the additional data. Such "failures" and "oversights" were regular with the quickly developed spacecraft and systems during Gemini and Apollo.

Why would you believe anything NASA says though? NASA can lie.
It's hard for any large organization to not have whistle blowers, let alone there are always plenty of employees at prime contractors who are required, by ethics, to report things back to the government.

Heck, one of the stupidest things the US government did early on was try to make an 100% pure, civilian space program with absolutely no use of military ballistic missiles. That was just stupid because it removed decades of experience and product development. If anything, NASA's honesty is always in its best interest.

The problem are always the politicians, and the citizens they listen to, that only look at 3-5 years, instead of the 20+ years required for sustainable engineering. The great majority of Americans don't even apply 18th century physics in their understanding, much less what engineers study in their first two years. Everything from the O-Rings to the Insulation on the STS system haven't been talked about in their real details, like the material changes in 1985 (sealant) and 1997 (CFC-less insulation) that caused the issues. The system, as designed, was well risk-mitigated -- material changes are always the death of engineering safety, because they were not accounted for in the original design.

People like to discredit NASA on the Moon Landings as they like to discredit the ASCE and NIST on the Twin Tower failures. Aristole-level Greek observations applied to either will render assumptions that are actually anything but factual. Like the fact that air is required for anything, light sources in space (much less the reflective mylar on the octogonal base of the LIM, and other things), just like you don't have to completely melt steel in order to weaken and bend it, especially after you cut two of the three supports in a building.

We engineers are "too few" to fend off the public that tells us we're "too dumb." Just like people who think solar power will ever be a mass power generation solution, and lecture us electrical engineers (EE) on this, along with hydrogen and other things.
 
prof voluptuary, i agree that the "moon hoax" theorists are unreasonable idiots

but you do realize this is a porn forum? you spending way too much time & energy with these essay posts.

suit yourself tho if that is what you want to do
 

Philbert

Banned
prof voluptuary, i agree that the "moon hoax" theorists are unreasonable idiots

but you do realize this is a porn forum? you spending way too much time & energy with these essay posts.

suit yourself tho if that is what you want to do

For a new member who tells a member for almost 5 years that kind of lame BS, you sure got balls calling anyone else an unreasonable idiot.:rofl:

But maybe this would be a more comfortable intellectual good time for you..."Talk" may be a bit beyond your level...

http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=274858
 
arent you the loser who made the racist Obama thread in the picture forum?
yeah black jokes. real intellectual

you seem to believe years of message board membership should mean something to me.
it doesn't.
 
High school level, 18th century physics can easily disprove the "facts" in those videos. It's pathetic that with each passing year, more and more people believe they were faked.

Exactly what "facts" and videos are you referring to? :confused:


Cause otherwise, you are preaching to the choir, chief. :o :(
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Here's my take on it...

There are things that look and seem 100% legit.
There are things that look and seem 100% bullshit.

Add those together and what do you get?

ANSWER: :rubbel:

It doesn't matter if we really landed on the moon or not because, as a world, we believe that we did, so...we did. Just like Jesus...it doesn't matter if he really existed or not because, as a world, we believe that he did, so...he did.
 

Violator79

Take a Hit, Spunker!
Here's my take on it...

There are things that look and seem 100% legit.
There are things that look and seem 100% bullshit.

Add those together and what do you get?

ANSWER: :rubbel:

It doesn't matter if we really landed on the moon or not because, as a world, we believe that we did, so...we did. Just like Jesus...it doesn't matter if he really existed or not because, as a world, we believe that he did, so...he did.

Well the majority of the people in the world are idiots, plain and simple. They can believe that man landed on the moon, Jesus really existed and the sky is blue for all I care. And why do they believe that? Because they read it in a book or because someone said so and if you don't believe it you're going to hell? Well not me sunshine, not me. I have this real moron thing I do, it's called THINKING and I don't like to be among the masses who believes something just because we're told to believe it. I like forming my own opinions, thinking for myself and believing what I want to believe, and I don't need the government or some ex-Nazi with a $500 hat sitting on a throne in Rome telling me to believe something. I'm not a mindless robot that goes with the flow.

An example: in the movie Midnight Express, the lunatics are walking in circles in one direction as "good machines." The main actor starts walking around in circles in the opposite direction as a "bad machine." I like being a "bad machine" if you will. In a world gone totally mad, I believe that people like me are the only sane ones left. :2 cents:
 

Violator79

Take a Hit, Spunker!

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
prof voluptuary, i agree that the "moon hoax" theorists are unreasonable idiots

but you do realize this is a porn forum? you spending way too much time & energy with these essay posts.

suit yourself tho if that is what you want to do

Why? just because you believe something NASA and the government tells you?

This is the talk section. So, what does porn have to do with it?

arent you the loser who made the racist Obama thread in the picture forum?
yeah black jokes. real intellectual

you seem to believe years of message board membership should mean something to me.
it doesn't.

I posted an Obama thread in the picture section. :tongue:

He's a long time member, it's like seniority at a job. ;)

And you're the first to prove my point. :D

Don't worry he's a drunk, because he has nothing else to do. His own words.

So, the amount of research he has done is zilch, zero, none. :hatsoff:
 
Don't worry he's a drunk, because he has nothing else to do. His own words.

So, the amount of research he has done is zilch, zero, none. :hatsoff:

I don't know who you are talking about, but if he doesn't have anything else to do, then he would have more time to do research then anyone else. and just because he's drunk doesn't ahve anything to do with it. Winston Churchill was a drunk too.

also I've been here longer than you, so that makes me your boss Will E! :tongue:
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
I don't know who you are talking about, but if he doesn't have anything else to do, then he would have more time to do research then anyone else. and just because he's drunk doesn't ahve anything to do with it. Winston Churchill was a drunk too.

also I've been here longer than you, so that makes me your boss Will E! :tongue:

He doesn't have anything else to do so he just drinks his life away.
So, there's no time for research.

Also, it goes by post count too. You have been here long enough to have a custom title. But, you don't. :tongue:
 
Saw David Aaronovitch talk last night about his book Voodoo Histories which attempts to explain why conspiracy theories are so popular and enduring.

It was very interesting. The central theme is that conspiracy theories help make sense out of a chaotic world.
 
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