Bush Can't But Its OK for this Obama Guy???

[ratbastid]

(Now Former) U.S. president George Bush was considered a cowboy, and an all-around asshole for invading Iraq.
But people, have you been paying attention to this Non-Experienced, incoming "winner" Barrack Obama pledge his DETERMINATION on making Afghanistan HIS focus?!!!

"The Afghan government needs to do more [Exactly, Asshole!]. But we have to understand that the situation is precarious and urgent here in Afghanistan. And I believe this has to be our central focus, the central front, on our battle against terrorism," Obama said

jeez....and everybody's running around yelling "change" and buying t-shirts with this guys mug on it, mwahaahaahaaaaaa

yes, yes, I know we're already over there in force (Afghanistan)... the point is, its not any different. Just a new puppet on the stage.

 

[bodie54]

No, there is a difference. Under Bush Afghanistan became a distant second priority. Obama plans to make it his first.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

Iraq is different from Afghanistan. The Americans and N.A.T.O. have a reason to be in Afghanistan, and that is to flush out the terrorist group that attacked American soil. In Iraq, you guys invaded with no real reason. You have no right to be in Iraq, but you have every right to be in Afghanistan. You never hear anyone complain about the troops being in Afghanistan.

 

[jamrak]

Invasion in a country and having to deal with the "heritage" left from the previous president are different things, do not you think so?

 

[ratbastid]

Iraq is different from Afghanistan. The Americans and N.A.T.O. have a reason to be in Afghanistan, and that is to flush out the terrorist group that attacked American soil.... but you have every right to be in Afghanistan. You never hear anyone complain about the troops being in Afghanistan.

Flush out Terrorist groups????
Do you have any idea about the state of poverty of that country???
The Bush administration has done one HELL of a job over the past 8 years convincing the world of this nonsense.
Please.
They live in clay homes, caves, and have been invaded by so many outside forces for hundreds of years, their civil infrastructure is barely holding the country together. Let alone us being there.
We have NO business there.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

Flush out Terrorist groups????
Do you have any idea about the state of poverty of that country???
The Bush administration has done one HELL of a job over the past 8 years convincing the world of this nonsense.
Please.
They live in clay homes, caves, and have been invaded by so many outside forces for hundreds of years, their civil infrastructure is barely holding the country together. Let alone us being there.
We have NO business there.

You were attacked by a terrorist group that openly ran that country. You had every right to invade and take them out, and now that you are there you can help rebuild the country, just like what you did to Japan and Germany after WWII. If you want to pull out now, your just sending the entire country back into the hands of people who wish to do your country and her allies harm. Of course, if you want to wake up to see another terrorist attack on the news, keep on talking like that.

 

[Yankeefan21325]

You do remember that it was terrorist groups from Afghanastan that attacked us on 9/11 correct? I raq had nothing to do with it. God are these McCain supporters ever gonna stop bitching. The old fart lost, get over it.

 

[calpoon]

Of course, if you want to wake up to see another terrorist attack on the news, keep on talking like that.

like it's going to make any difference? first of all terrorism is not a threat to national security... well, OK, that depends on how you define security. It's on the same level as say, people choking to death while eating. a few thousand people maybe, it's a minor risk, it's not anything that is going to seriously effect the country. I'd be more worried about your wife getting pissed off at you and chopping off your dick, it's a lot more likely to happen than for you to be attacked by foreign terrorists.

Secondly you think that continuing to drop bombs and shoot people in the middle east is going to make them like us more? No. the place is already fucked up, they just want us to get the fuck out of there. Remember when Bin ladin said that he would cease terror attacks on countries that withdrew from Iraq, and then remember what happened to the ones that did? they haven't been attacked by terrorists. Seems like a no brainer to me. We have this macho bullshit: "we don't negotiate with terrorists!" Why not? It seems like it's a lot more effective than keeping up pointless wars that achieve nothing but a drain on the economy and more dead kids.

 

[wingman00]

(Now Former)

still present

 

[Imagine]

The news were ripe with terrorist attacks prior to the wars? The whole argument that the wars have stopped terrorist attacks reminds me of the rock that keeps the tigers away (I'm selling one, by the way. PM me your bid). Besides, if they want to cause dissent, damage the economy and kill Americans, they seem to be doing a pretty good job as it is.

The kind of terrorism that a war in Iraq and Afghanistan could stop is next to insignificant. You can't target an infra-structure that doesn't exist or isn't used, which is exactly what conventional warfare is designed for.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

Secondly you think that continuing to drop bombs and shoot people in the middle east is going to make them like us more? No. the place is already fucked up, they just want us to get the fuck out of there. Remember when Bin ladin said that he would cease terror attacks on countries that withdrew from Iraq, and then remember what happened to the ones that did? they haven't been attacked by terrorists. Seems like a no brainer to me. We have this macho bullshit: "we don't negotiate with terrorists!" Why not? It seems like it's a lot more effective than keeping up pointless wars that achieve nothing but a drain on the economy and more dead kids.

I don't recall ever supporting staying in Iraq, now did I? By attacking Afghanistan, N.A.T.O. removed a terrorist organization from power. They may not like it, but that doesn't matter. They don't have the same power that they used to, and that's because we went in there and kicked them out. I'm not talking about Iraq, I'm talking about Afghanistan. I'm talking about the place that actually deserved to be liberated from their governement. They are better off now because N.A.T.O. went in, trust me. I don't give two shits about Iraq, because I've never served in Iraq and I never will. But Afghanistan is a worthy cause, irregardless of what anyone is going to tell you.

 

[Gordar]

You were attacked by a terrorist group that openly ran that country. You had every right to invade and take them out, and now that you are there you can help rebuild the country, just like what you did to Japan and Germany after WWII. If you want to pull out now, your just sending the entire country back into the hands of people who wish to do your country and her allies harm. Of course, if you want to wake up to see another terrorist attack on the news, keep on talking like that.

No, the US was attacked by a terrorist group that was supported by that country. Al Qaeda is not the Taliban (even though I'm not too fond of them either).

There's also a big difference between Germany + Japan and Afghanistan. Both Germany and Japan were ruined nations by the time the war was over, but both nations had a stable government and a decent infrastructure before the war (even though the infrastructure was partly destroyed afterwards) and a people willing to rebuild after the war (& in the case of Western Germany a big financial input).

Afghanistan cannot be compared to these countries. It hardly has any infrastructure (needed to reach the more secluded spots of the country) had no decent government before the war (unless you count the Taliban & the Mujahedin, which were nothing more than independent warlords) and all the people want is to be left alone.

 

[titsrock]

Should Afghanistan be left alone so that the Mullahs (non-Taliban, but still Tribal) can grow their poppy plants to continue the heroin trade?

Or, should we take the opportunity to burn the poppy fields and introduce "beneficial farming" to Afghanistan?

We may not be able to capture/kill Osama because of W.'s fuck up. Destroying the Taliban might not be enough if we turn a blind eye to the poppy trade.

 

[Yankeefan21325]

Had we not gone into Iraq for whatever reason we went for. We may have had Bin Laden by now, and our boys would have been home safely. Props for Obama for making the focus in Afghanistan. Too bad it will come 7 years too late.

 

[ChefChiTown]

(Now Former) U.S. president George Bush was considered a cowboy, and an all-around asshole for invading Iraq.
But people, have you been paying attention to this Non-Experienced, incoming "winner" Barrack Obama pledge his DETERMINATION on making Afghanistan HIS focus?!!!

"The Afghan government needs to do more [Exactly, Asshole!]. But we have to understand that the situation is precarious and urgent here in Afghanistan. And I believe this has to be our central focus, the central front, on our battle against terrorism," Obama said

jeez....and everybody's running around yelling "change" and buying t-shirts with this guys mug on it, mwahaahaahaaaaaa

yes, yes, I know we're already over there in force (Afghanistan)... the point is, its not any different. Just a new puppet on the stage.

What is Obama supposed to do? Just pull everybody back from overseas, at the drop of a dime, and act as if nothing happened?

:dunno:

He's saying all of this stuff about how Afghanistan will be his "focus" because he has to say that sort of thing. He can't just walk up in front of a podium somewhere and say "President Bush is a cunt and I am going to pull our mother fucking troops and bring them back home".

 

[Will E Worm]

Bush Can't But Its OK for this Obama Guy???

Didn't you know, Democrats can never do wrong?

They are God's gift to us. :tongue:

Even though Obama's inauguration is going to be triple what Bush's was.

I don't care for either party. They are both the same party and puppets on a string.

 

[Imagine]

Why are people so obsessed with "getting Bin Laden" (not directed towards anyone in particular)? It won't stop attacks, it won't give any worthwhile intel. He's a figurehead, making him a martyr will do nothing. Terrorism does not operate as a structured hierarchical organization, so taking down the leader will at best disorganize a couple of cells. Yeah, okay, I get it; people want blood, but going on a manhunt every time some nut sends in a tape with vague threats is a waste of effort. He will just be replaced and we are back where we started.

 

[Violator79]

I've said it before....give the man a Chance. He's not even in office yet and he's already being judged. Give him a Chance to see what he can or can't do. Don't rush to conclusions. One thing is almost certain, he can't possibly be as bad as Dubya has been for the last 8 years.

 

[NavyBlue]

I've said it before....give the man a chance. He's not even in office yet and he's already being judged. Give him a chance to see what he can or can't do. Don't rush to conclusions. One thing is almost certain, he can't possibly be as bad as Dubya has been for the last 8 years.

Amen to that. If you think you can run the country better than Obama can then why don't you run against him in 4 years? I triple dare ya.

 

[Will E Worm]

Amen to that. If you think you can run the country better than Obama can then why don't you run against him in 4 years? I triple dare ya.

Okay, if you can help start the financing for my campaign. :hatsoff: