*Breaking* Mitt Romney will not seek 2016 GOP nomination
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Nice bit of obfuscation there. My claim was that senate democrats won two million more votes than senate republicans in the 2014 midterms, not whatever that link is talking about. That claim isn't my claim and no, I don't have a source for what I posted, but I assure you I got it from a credible source and believed it to be accurate or I wouldn't have posted it. I never have and never will knowingly post outright fabrications, I strive to get shit right, though I'm sure there have been plenty of occasions where I've been wrong and gladly correct myself when I am. I don't just make shit up to suit a situation.
These sort of lists have been posted, disputed, and the disputed parts disputed again over and over. I'm not interested in rehashing another list of what I believe are Obama victories and accomplishments only to have you or some other conservative come behind me and dissect them when at the end of the day the fact is there has been a lot of legislation passed since 2008 and whether or not it's "good" or "bad" is going to depend on biases and partisan opinion. Merely asking for such a list is an attempt to derail to conversation, we've been through it already.
I'm not entirely pleased with the Obama administration, there are areas he could have done a better job in, and there are areas he's done a good job. He's not been a "total failure" as the far right enjoy claiming, if you think that means I think Obama is "wonderful" so be it, you've made it plain as day you have no use for him, bully for you, even though the claims you've made about Executive Orders, among other things, have been repeatedly shot down.
Thanks for your input, little dog, we already know you're a Chihuahua with the ferociousness of a pit bull.
And you just lost.
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What's losing is consistently making posts that say nothing, don't get eat up with butthurt when it gets pointed out. Hit-and-run posting is about as chickenshit as it comes, if you got nothing to add, don't add nothing.
It takes two to tango.
Republicans don't wanna work with Obama, they don't wanna play bi-lateral, 'cause they do that, if they do so, if the results of these bi-partisan work is effective and actually improves people's life, people are gonna credit Obama, not republicans for it.
They say they wanna work with the president but it's a lie. When Obama tries to work with them, you know as well a I do how it goes : Obama presents his plan to the republicans and asks to know the changes he should make. In response, the Republicans present him their plan and require him to sign it right away. And if he refuses to sign, they go on Fox News to complain about Obama not wanting to work with them.
Yes, because hit-and-run posting is what I've done in this thread. You just got wiped the floor with by someone better than me (and you) and you're lashing out.
A ringing endorsement if I ever heard one.
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Of course I did, please continue with the high fives, ass slapping, and other merry making. But no, not really, and the idea that BC is "better than me" is amusing, dude is long winded with no substance, you on the other hand, just lack substance. Both of you are playing political games instead of seeking out the best candidate, and relying on Fox News tactics to try to further your agenda. Someone told me a long time ago that when it comes to this forum it really isn't about debating each other, but about the people that read these posts but don't comment. They're the ones that really should be your audience and they know who's serious, who's winning, and who's losing. Do you really think you're "beating me" with your yappie yes-dog hit and run chickenshit? Yeah, you probably do, but that just shows little vision on your part. Accuse me of having, "just lost", yeah, that's convincing, keep telling yourself how great you and BC are, I'm more than happy to sit back and know better. Keep playing tit-for-tat, you'll eventually wear yourself out. Yeah, I know you guys have a massive Obama chip on your shoulders, that's ok, you'll get over it. Maybe under the awesome reign of some far right teabagger, but we all know that's highly unlikely. More likely you'll be addressing Madam President Hillary Clinton for eight years, not my pick, but it's looking more and more likely. Let's see how batshit insane you guys are halfway through that second term.
I don't offer any substance yet you won't list Obama's stellar accomplishments after lauding them. Rife with irony. I really don't want this to turn ugly, as I have said many times before I like and respect you and I have grown to like and respect Mayhem. There are a couple others that are good debaters also that come from the liberal progressive POV. Let's try and put my feelings about Obama in a perspective that you can relate to. To me, he is just as distasteful for me to accept as a tea party enthusiast would be for you. And if you lived for 6 years of a Ted Cruz term before you started complaining about it, I would respect those sentiments as well.
That's what you get when you ram legislation through that you have to "pass to know what's in it." A poisoning of the well happens when you remind the faithful opposition that" elections have consequences" when you are riding high on a election and enjoy an almost super majority. Yet the election is inconsequential when you are on the losing end. Obama knew what he wanted to get done and he had 2 solid years of a yes man congress to do it. If he is not able to manage and prioritize and take advantage of a willing congress, don't bitch and complain when the opposition isn't so accommodating, especially when they were elected to thwart Obama's policies.
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We could, but we won't.
But he is likely hooked into the same political apparatus - similar if not same folks with similar if not same ideas. If not, he'll have to make that abundantly clear.
This is almost as stupid as you knee-jerk responding to something you didn't read.
What do you mean by 'right' on gun control and abortion?
Supa, bitte! We need to figure out which shade of red or blue plutocrat we want next.
Ha. I was arguing just that in another thread, but the responses were resistance and crickets. Don't hold your breath.
You have to be careful with a word like 'effective', because it doesn't mean 'good'. Reagan was very effective - so much so that we still pay billions annually on failed drug policies. Nevermind the cost of countless lives ruined for 'victimless' crimes.
Not just this forum - this is pretty much how internet debate works. You aren't going to change your opponents' minds; depressingly few minds are open enough to be changed.
Still all butt hurt that your guidelines weren't followed to a T huh? I got news for you, when you start a thread that the contents of the OP are not in complete conflict with the title I may be obliged to accommodate you.
He still got congress' approval. Want me to name a few? The Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988 first legislation passed since the Boggs Act was passed by congress and federal sentencing guidelines also by congress. Yesiiree no executive orders required. That is what effective presidents do.
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George W. Bush was as bad as having Ted Cruz, eight years of Bush, as distasteful as it was, I let go of it when he was out of office. Hell I quit piling on Bush after about a year into his second term because it was obvious that it just wasn't worth the effort, the guy had sufficiently dug his grave as one of the worst in history and wouldn't stop digging. There was no need to keep beating the guy up then, and there's no reason to beat him up now, his legacy is cemented. And you know what that tells me about your ongoing distaste for Obama? It tells me that he doesn't suck nearly as bad as you wish he did. As for posting a long list of Obama accomplishments, like I previously posted, there's no point, it's been done to death with no resolution the myriad times before, there will be none now, but the distaste parade marches on and that really tells the tale more than any dissection, partisan picking, back and forth debate.
And you want to know what really poisons the well, when you have a senate minority leader whose top priority is to limit the president to one term. That' really poisons the well.
The wheels didn't fall off of the GWB presidency until 2007-2008. So you were piling on during his first term? GWB had some successes and Obama fortunately hasn't had to deal with another 9/11 You were definitely in the minority then. I guess it gave you great comfort to have them join you in 2008. I fault GWB for two things, the Iraq war and not doing something to curtail the sub prime lending fiasco and subsequent bursting of the bubble. And he ushered in effective policy himself, but he did it with people like Ted Kennedy. That is called working with the other side even if you know it is going to bite you in the ass later.
It is quite difficult to work with a party which leader told, on record, that the party's "top priority for the next two years should be to deny [the president] a second term".
We don't wanna work with you, we don't wanna help you to make america's a better place, we don't wanna improve the people's life. All we want is to make you lose the next election. Even at the expense of the American people.
We don't wanna work with you, we don't wanna help you to make america's a better place, we don't wanna improve the people's life. All we want is to make you lose the next election. Even at the expense of the American people.
I don't know how old you are but those things were said about GWB before the new carpet sans cigar burns was laid, and the new yellow paint had dried in the Oval Office.
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Ah, nice, take a swipe at Clinton while you're at it, if a republican manages to win the White House in 2016 the gloating will be intolerable, but probably preferable to the teabagger attack Chihuahua's we've gotten used to over the last six years.
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Not sure if serious... what? lol
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I was still poking at Animus, I think he forgot that a Fox is type of canid. lol
Now you just hold on there Mr. X
You better be glad you aren't at one of our family get-togethers with my yellow dog democrat uncle that threatens to throw food at people that piss him off about politics. I think you would be safe though.
You better be glad you aren't at one of our family get-togethers with my yellow dog democrat uncle that threatens to throw food at people that piss him off about politics. I think you would be safe though.
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My mother had to ban political discussions from family get-togethers. Turns out my little sister's views didn't just piss me off, but alienated everyone else in the family, too, and most of them vote the same way she does. I knew she was barking up the wrong tree when she started in on my older sister's husband, he's anti-everything, he just happens to be really racist on top of it and while they agreed on "fuck Obama", she didn't count on him being "fuck all the rest of them, too" I knew he was, we both supported Perot in '92, though I ended up not voting for Perot. Hey, as long as there's food, politics can bugger off for the day.
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