*Breaking* Mitt Romney will not seek 2016 GOP nomination
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Jeb Bush doesn't repulse me, but he's got an albatross around his neck for a last name. Your first and foremost reason is pretty lame, "he'd be the alternative to the democrat ticket", yeah, that's pretty much a given, but shouldn't a race be about more than just R or D, unless you just automatically dislike anyone that's a democrat, I find it hard to fathom that you're that tied to a party or label. I'm not, I would definitely consider voting for the republican, I vote for republicans in just about every election, not necessarily their presidential candidates, but certainly some of the local races. Jeb has an uphill battle, but if he ends up running against Hillary, now pay attention, he might be able to pull off an upset. If Jeb Bush ran the right kind of campaign he could lure swing votes and Hillary haters away from the Democratic ticket. He would really fuck up if he choose a teabagger for a running mate, though.
It's more than a label, there's a difference in platforms. Otherwise, I'd still be liberal/democrat. And the thing with the names, yeah, it looks bad to still have Bush vs. Clinton 2 decades later but I think that's superficial. Judge each of them on their own merits. And if it bothers someone that much, don't vote for either of them. If both Bush and Clinton win their respective nominations it's because the voters chose them.
I don't think that'd be an upset. Just the opposite. And I think the effect the running mate has (positive or negative) is overrated. I mean look at Joe Biden.
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Sure there's a difference in platforms, but that doesn't make any given candidate a better candidate. You say yourself, "judge them on their own merits" and I agree, but you don't seem to have any qualms judging them based on party platform. A party platform is a lofty set of ideals that any given candidate may or may not be able to advance, it's certainly not a testament to the character of the candidate, I have yet to see a candidate that won't say whatever they need to say to get elected, and really, that's all any given party platform is tantamount to, merely words. The question becomes, do you really believe your guy has better character than his or her opponent, party platform alone isn't enough to convince me one way or the other.
Jeb Bush could win a lot of the independent vote for sure. He seems to be liked by the left a lot more than his brother was and the only thing I can think of is that many must believe he is cut more from the cloth of his father. They will sing his praises now hoping he gets the nomination and once he does they will cut him to pieces. The ads against him in October 2016 will be as if GWB is running again.
The Repubs need to nominate a Conservative if they hope to have any chance of winning.
The Repubs need to nominate a Conservative if they hope to have any chance of winning.
A lot of commentators and late night talk show hosts are going to be disappointed they "won't have Mitt Romney to kick around anymore". 
While Jeb Bush may not have to directly answer for all his brothers failed policies, I'm sure his opponents will run ads like:
"Jeb Bush for President?"
"Economy" clip of Barbara Bush saying: "We've had enough Bushs in the White House".
"Foreign Policy" clip of Barbara Bush saying: "We've had enough Bushs in the White House".
"Immigration" clip of Barbara Bush saying: "We've had enough Bushs in the White House".
"Abortion" clip of Barbara Bush saying: "We've had enough Bushs in the White House". Etc.
The Tea Party wing of GOP will eat that up, unless he goes way right in the Primaries that will hurt him in the General Election.
While Jeb Bush may not have to directly answer for all his brothers failed policies, I'm sure his opponents will run ads like:
"Jeb Bush for President?"
"Economy" clip of Barbara Bush saying: "We've had enough Bushs in the White House".
"Foreign Policy" clip of Barbara Bush saying: "We've had enough Bushs in the White House".
"Immigration" clip of Barbara Bush saying: "We've had enough Bushs in the White House".
"Abortion" clip of Barbara Bush saying: "We've had enough Bushs in the White House". Etc.
The Tea Party wing of GOP will eat that up, unless he goes way right in the Primaries that will hurt him in the General Election.
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George Dubya is the black sheep of that family, and if Jeb gets the nomination, like I said previously, depending on the kind of campaign he runs he could keep a lot of support from the left. Don't underestimate just how much the Hillary haters on the left truly dislike her. Nominating a "real" conservative, i.e. a teabagger would be the beso muerta for the GOP.
But x-man the moderates have been the kiss o' death for the GOP the past two presidential elections.
Mayhem
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I disagree. A moderate stance for the General Election is what's needed, but the current GOP base only tolerates die-hard Conservatives. The Etch-A-Sketch comment in the last election was very accurate, even if it did go over like a lead balloon.
I have a difficult time taking the advice from Democrats that would never vote Republican no matter who they nominated.
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I voted for Reagan, Bush Sr. twice, Dole, Dubya twice (God help me) and I've made it clear how little I think of Hillary. So I hope that wasn't directed at me. :nono:
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You're not talking about me, I would definitely vote for a moderate centrist Republican that didn't go batshit insane about "liberals", and I don't want to speak for Mayhem, but I doubt that he would never vote for a republican. If anything I'm fucking pragmatic, nominate a candidate that doesn't go off the rails wingnut crazy and I'll vote for them.
I directed it at you and xman since he said some halfway positive things about Jeb. I thought the last Republican you voted for was GHWB. I didn't realize that you voted for Dubya. What the hell were you thinking?
Well, I am learning a little about you guys tonight. Romney was a moderate centrist Republican. Did you vote for him the last time?
Dude, Uncle Joe is our VP. I actually pray that nothing happens to Obama. Just like if McCain would have won, I was going to make a 500 dollar donation to Melanoma research.
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That's why I don't worry about the GOP actually trying to impeach Obama, they're more worried about Joe Biden than they are about the darkie in the White House. Seriously though, I wasn't kidding, nominate a moderate centrist Republican that doesn't pick a far right tea party person as their running mate and I'll gladly vote for that candidate over Hillary Clinton.
well....THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!
Was Romney.
The far right guy mistake was Paul Ryan.
I have a beef with Hillary as 1st Lady pushing political correctness. Made me quit my manager job at Jewel-Osco because I would of got the company sued.
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