The Title of this thread is very misleading. By simply reading the bill and comments left here, it is obvious that this bill was probably drawn up with Hispanics in mind and not blacks. Not saying that this just makes some of the racist elements of the bill just disappear, but the person who named this thread should change it. I hate to agree with some of the far right posters here, but it just looks like someone is just TRYING to keep blacks pissed off at whitey for all eternity.
Black History classes now banned in Arizona
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Well, it's not as if there's White History classes. Or Yellow History classes. Or Brown History classes. Why is their Black History classes? I didn't realize there was one country that all Blacks came from......I disagree with it, but i think people are jumping to conclusions. It's actually anti-segregation when you think about. We are all Americans. We, unified, have one history. Some of it's good, some not. I disagree with it, like I said, but it's not the end of the world.
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
good posts here, except for zolfs.
some things about teaching english.
there are english classes for native and/or fluent speakers, the typical high school english class.
and there's also english classes to actually teach non native speakers the language.
the truth is, for beginner to intermediate classes, students are usually better off with a non native teacher.
they normally have a better understanding of the needs of the students, after all, they went through the same process at some point.
these non native teachers will almost always have an accent, thats the hardest thing to lose, and damn near impossible for most people.
So I really doubt anyone will be losing their jobs over an accent.
If their grammar is poor ( which normally non natives have an even better concept of grammar rules than natives more often than not), their pronunciation is just horrible and their vocabulary is limited, thats a different story.
They should be re-assigned to a class that better suites their ability.
just my 2 centavos
some things about teaching english.
there are english classes for native and/or fluent speakers, the typical high school english class.
and there's also english classes to actually teach non native speakers the language.
the truth is, for beginner to intermediate classes, students are usually better off with a non native teacher.
they normally have a better understanding of the needs of the students, after all, they went through the same process at some point.
these non native teachers will almost always have an accent, thats the hardest thing to lose, and damn near impossible for most people.
So I really doubt anyone will be losing their jobs over an accent.
If their grammar is poor ( which normally non natives have an even better concept of grammar rules than natives more often than not), their pronunciation is just horrible and their vocabulary is limited, thats a different story.
They should be re-assigned to a class that better suites their ability.
just my 2 centavos
Neither. I'm not looking for sympathy just stating my personal experience.:thefinger
An educated response would have been cool, but seriously, what else could I have expected?Reading your random shots at making any point at all is like trying to live healthy by eating only Pink Cotton Candy 3 times a day...
You are still awful at making jokes. You are the embodiment of a groan.
Exactly!
I would really like to see how people rationalize the accent law. Go, Freeones Message Board! You have yet to let me down.
There is, they just don't call it that. Brown History is called Latin American Studies. White History is called History Of Western Civilization. Yellow History is not really a class in most public schools, and not a general education study. For whatever reason that is...
I don't think that any ethnic-centered classes should be taught to high school students, except maybe US History. Or each one can be touched upon as part of the larger history class, not separately. These classes are largely unnecessary and they require a specialization that is appropriate for geared college courses and not general education at that level.
HOWEVER, I also don't agree with this bill. I don't believe that it is part of a common-sense education policy, so much as it's trying to limit the areas of study for public schools to conform with political trends.
The fact is that even if it really is innocent and naive, these policies target the Hispanic population, and people are keyed into that and are responding negatively. It's not just liberal reactionaries, and that is misleading to label it as such, as many, if not most Hispanics are conservatives and they voted in these same conservative politicians who they now feel don't represent them.
The law could have been worded differently, it could have said what I just said, and not made an appeal to race which garners both racist and reactionary sentiments in response. It's not PC to write up legislation that people agree with and not get pissed off about-especially if they are your opposition- it's good politics.
Supafly
Retired Mod
On the light side, you guys now learn what McCain/Republicans would have done with the whole 50 states, would they have gotten the majority of votes.
As the senior senator of Arizona, this is probably the 'War on America's Enemies' he was going on about, but I think there will be more of this and worse.
As the senior senator of Arizona, this is probably the 'War on America's Enemies' he was going on about, but I think there will be more of this and worse.
What's a "pro black" book and which ones were you forced to read?
Although I'm not from the Democratic Party, it is much more preferable to vote for a Democratic President instead of a DeceptiCon President so that NeoCon supreme court judges are least likely to be appointed
Well I can't recall my reading list as it was for my class in the fall of '92. However there were several books on black revolt, black plight, some black who went nutzoid in New Orleans killing a bunch of innocent whites.................oh and the only book having anything to do with a white man dealt with Huey Long.............a corrupt white politician. A lot of boring ass books on crap I could care less about. She barely covered any topics that didn't have blacks involved..........like the causes of the Great Depression which is a hell of a lot more important than listening to her blather on about blacks in Harlem.
Our esteemed Madame hippy fossil was trying her best to indoctrinate us in "white liberal guilt".
I never really understood the whole "White Guilt" thing. Who the hell came up with that anyway? And what is it really about?
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
WADR, I disagree completely. You're just creating a division while attempting to evade a division.
How about having teachers with a Hispanic heritage teach fluent english speaking kids Spanish and vice versa? . . . makes perfect sense to me. :dunno:
If we employ your way of thinking on this matter, we're just asking for unwarranted litigation at the expense of education. Seriously, if we're not careful, we can effectively undermine our entire system of government with ambitious negative potential thinking. Who was it that said something to the effect of ~ For every positive charge there's an equal negative charge out there . . if we look long and hard enough? :nono:
Is my approach reasonable, maybe?
Also, on average, kids who end up speaking the clearest perceivable english are going to have a distinct advantage over those who speak with an accent.
I'm sorry, that's just the way it is. :dunno:
Returning with all due respect....really? So you think this piece of legislation is totally unrelated to and separated from in every way from the sentiment behind the recent immigration legislation? This law is not aimed at Hispanic teachers? That's what you're telling me, Facetious?
Every teacher who is degreed, accredited and hired should have already been through the vetting process, don't you think? If they weren't qualified to teach proper English to begin with, how in the hell did they ever get the job in the first place??
Arizona ought to shore that little oversight up instead of passing more laws. It's just more political posturing and pandering to the xenophobia that has overtaken the Grand Canyon State. I understand the hysteria. Shit, I live in fucking Texas for chrissakes!
This isn't the way to respond to it. Hell, even the right wingnuts that run Texas state know that. Control illegal immigration? You betcha! (sorry, Sarah. I stole your line
)Arbitrarily pass a bunch of laws that throw everyone of a certain heritage into one barrel? That's not right....sorry.
No not in Arizona, the state seemed like one big melting pot to me, and now I can't pay for sandwiches with a song there any more. For Shame, I am going over to New Mexico where I can see disgruntled Native Americans shoot at boulders. (True Story by the way when I visited my brother in New Mexico.)
roronoa3000
Banned
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Quality control is a board problem and I don't hold the school to blame for that but I do the board and the governement for saying that the books must be by a canadian author where applicable even if the guy from the US has a way better book.
I don't expect a school do to that. I would however love to know that my children are learning something more than build a float or build your own playground or colour a map. My oldest only started to do math really this year. They were so worried about them learning to read that they kinda skipped over math because they fucked up when I was in school and half the kids I graduated gr 8 with couldn't read or do any math(they were huge on sciences and history). So now my daughter can read but struggles in math because they didnt really do any until multiplication and stuff I didnt even take till high school. Now I helped her at home as much as I could knowing math was really important before this year but she still having some problems but not anywhere near as bad as most of her class. Parents are really pissed they took a broken system and just broke it in a different way. Thats probably my biggest problem at least with private school I do have a choice to some extent on where they go and what that school teachers way better than in public.
I'll have to take your word for it on that. In general I would expect the curricula and teachers are more than adequate enough to get kids who go to school to learn a representative education.
If not, I'm just not sure who it is then that is filling up our universities and passing those curricula.
The one good teacher my youngest had said "they expect children to self teach in school". She also said that if she had had to go to school now she would have failed. That's just scary.
Well, I don't know what she means nor the context but between the homework a child brings home and a parent's ability to gauge what their child knows in relationship to what they're studying....it still kind of comes back to the most significant factor being what happens at home.
Parents can't simply let a tv babysit for them then unbuckle the leash and send an uncouth, malnourished, drowsy kid to school and expect him or her to learn. That I suspect has more to do with what happens with a kid's education than anything a teacher or school can do...public or parochial IMO.:2 cents:
