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Bernie Sanders' revolution

Torre82

Moderator \ Jannie
Staff member
I won't be voting for Biden. I'm sitting this one out boys. If I lived in a swing state I'd probably vote for Biden
So you are.. Biden' your time.
Sorry for the bad joke, its like a punDEMIC in here.

But.. I dunno, its just depressing to think of either of the two. Some people, some where.. set some things in motion. And this is the best they've got. I think its going to be a red landslide, what with the gerrymandering all figured out and paid for.
 
That year, a YouGov survey showed 24% of respondents who identified as Clinton primary supporters ended up voting for Republican nominee John McCain that November. In 2016, the highest estimates showed 12% of Sanders primary supporters voting for Trump.
https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/h...ernie-sanders-but-not-reason-lost-2016-2020-1

1) Bernie voters did not costed Hillary the victory

2) Democrats can win the general election even with some of their voters voting red. All they need is to gain support among independants, among people who usually don't vote.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/h...ernie-sanders-but-not-reason-lost-2016-2020-1

1) Bernie voters did not costed Hillary the victory

2) Democrats can win the general election even with some of their voters voting red. All they need is to gain support among independants, among people who usually don't vote.

1) Right. Hillary cost Hillary the general election. She continues to cement the belief that she's a bitter, vindictive old woman, who has trouble facing reality. She can blame the Russians, Bernie or Santa Claus. But the fact is, she was one of the most unlikable candidates to run for President in modern times, and she ran a half-assed campaign that didn't resonate with the American electorate. Apart from the elites in academia and Hollywood, and the whiny rad feminists, there was very little enthusiasm for Hillary. Love him or hate him, one thing that Trump has (in 2016 and now) is enthusiastic support among his base. And that's one thing that he and Bernie have in common. With Biden, I don't sense that there's a swelling wave of enthusiasm (even with him attempting to now pander to the far left wing of the Democrat party). I think that the best Biden can count on is enough anti-Trump support to get him into the big chair. So (fortunately or unfortunately), I think he has that in common with Hillary... though I think that he's less divisive (and corrupt) than she is/was.

2) Yes, I agree with you that they can (meaning a probability) - it just depends on how many cross over. One thing that really seems to be lost among a good many on this board is that there is still a "Never Trump" element within the GOP establishment: Conservative Republican group The Lincoln Project endorsed former Vice President Joe Biden for president Wednesday. The GOP is not as unified and supportive of Trump as some here attempt to portray.

Although I think that there's still very strong support and enthusiasm for Trump among his base, I don't think there's anywhere near the same level of anti-Biden support for Trump as there was anti-Hillary support going to him.

This is going to be interesting though. I'm thinking that the debates are going to be downright entertaining... by both candidates. These two guys have enough personality disorders between them to drive Sigmund Freud crazy.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
Sen. Sanders denies WashPost report he's concerned about Biden campaign
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/be...=DM145649_09142020&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010502cyoqh5
How democrat of him to say im not concerned but these are the things that concern me :ROFLMAO: bernard nobody wants to here Joe's economy wrecking ideas there more interested in what they are seeing on TV every day that joe has barely acknowledged and done very little to quell which is fine because it is contri to his uncontrolled descent so there's that but thanks Bern. Sorry that the people loved you but your party keeps hosing you I wonder is it your too left ideas or is there thwarting your national ambitions something more sinister bum bum bah!!!!!
 

Steve-FreeOnes

FO Admin / "rude, unnecessary attitude" (he/they)
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A timely reminder from georges there that right-wingers think you should have to pay to not be ill or die.
 

Theopolis Q. Hossenffer

Every Nation Needs a God-Emperor!
A timely reminder from georges there that right-wingers think you should have to pay to not be ill or die.
I can't help but wonder how many of these Rugged individualists with that mindset have never ever collected anything from the government at all ever Not themselves, not their families.. No unemployment, no Student loans, no Pell Grants, no snap for your families(rather go hungry than take what my Dad called Charity, like it was a curse word), no health care for themselves or their children in tough times, no assistance if disabled, never plan to collect Social Security or use Medicare. The list goes on. Do they refuse everything or just want others not to have any help. Believers in the philosophy of "You don't work, you don't eat" I can certainly respect that mindset but can't help but wonder why so many of the states full of people that are proponents of that seem to be high on the list of receiving the most Government benefits. And if that is their desire, why are they not demanding that their representatives in the government eliminate all the Social Programs and MAGA like it was before 1932 or so.
 
I can't help but wonder how many of these Rugged individualists with that mindset have never ever collected anything from the government at all

I think there are a few sub-classes of this particular line of thinking.

One is - I've earned all of my own success. Me and my private tutors studied hard to get me through my charter school and then through my ivy league college that my daddy paid for and then I was out on my own, working my way up from upper-middle management at my daddy's company to get where I am now. Nobody ever gave ME a hand out, why can't ethnic minorities living in the inner suburbs just do what I did????

Another is - Well I worked at a factory for 15 years before it closed down, I paid into that system so I earned my entitlement. Not like those others who are drawing on social security without ever having paid in somehow, or those illegals with no social security that are getting social security and free healthcare somehow. It's THOSE people who are bleeding the system dry.

I've long suspected that it's just a tiny bit of bad luck or bad timing that keeps many rugged individualists from becoming socialists. That and ignorance. I have a brother in law who listens to right wing radio every day and he firmly believes it's an absolute travesty that his property taxes contribute to local schools even though he doesn't have a kid, because as a life long resident and property owner how could he possibly get any benefit from schools in his district being maintained and funded?
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
You mean all those countries with far better health care systems than the USA? Sounds horrible!
Do you really think taht works for a country with a less than 60 million inhabitants population, will work for one with a more than 300 million inhabitants population, I don't think so. Let's not forget that the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services made a study about the rise of the uninsured under Obamacare
https://www.cms.gov/blog/thank-obamacare-rise-uninsured. As usual, critics of President Trump have been quick to blame the Administration’s healthcare policies for this increase. But a review of key facts suggests the rising uninsured rate stems largely from Obamacare’s failure to deliver affordable health insurance premiums and has created a new class of uninsured. While Obamacare promised affordable health insurance for every American, and even penalized those who refused to buy it, the law did nothing to control underlying costs. The very structure of the law which imposed billions of dollars in new, costly regulations also led to higher and higher insurance premiums. So was Obamacare ideal, I don't think so because at the end, people paid more their own healthcare premium as compared to before which is in fact a fiasco. We will certainly agree to disagree once again.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
I can't help but wonder how many of these Rugged individualists with that mindset have never ever collected anything from the government at all ever Not themselves, not their families.. No unemployment, no Student loans, no Pell Grants, no snap for your families(rather go hungry than take what my Dad called Charity, like it was a curse word), no health care for themselves or their children in tough times, no assistance if disabled, never plan to collect Social Security or use Medicare. The list goes on. Do they refuse everything or just want others not to have any help. Believers in the philosophy of "You don't work, you don't eat" I can certainly respect that mindset but can't help but wonder why so many of the states full of people that are proponents of that seem to be high on the list of receiving the most Government benefits. And if that is their desire, why are they not demanding that their representatives in the government eliminate all the Social Programs and MAGA like it was before 1932 or so.
I have been working since I am 25 and so did my parents and we have always been self reliant and learned to count on our own. The social system in France help those who are poor with lots of kids or those with a low revenue, if you are belonging to the middle class you will never get anything, let alone student loans nor even social security nor even medicare. The problem with that system is that it has been subject to lack of control and to massive abuse and fraud. I think also learning of how well to manage your hard earned money is crucial and so is living according to your own financial means. I never purchased anything on credit. But then again I learned to save and spare money at a young age. I am ok for the Government spending reasonably and in a controlled way for helping those who are in difficult financial situation and who live in precariousness but I am totally against a nanny state, this is where the difference lies in. A nanny state discourages the individual to work hard but encourages more to advantage of the benefits from a generous social system, this is what I am criticizing. In France, social spending for those who live in precariousness and in difficult situation outranks most of the other and more prioritary budgets. We might agree to disagree.
 
I have been working since I am 25 and so did my parents and we have always been self reliant and learned to count on our own. The social system in France help those who are poor with lots of kids or those with a low revenue, if you are belonging to the middle class you will never get anything, let alone student loans nor even social security nor even medicare. The problem with that system is that it has been subject to lack of control and to massive abuse and fraud. I think also learning of how well to manage your hard earned money is crucial and so is living according to your own financial means. I never purchased anything on credit. But then again I learned to save and spare money at a young age. I am ok for the Government spending reasonably and in a controlled way for helping those who are in difficult financial situation and who live in precariousness but I am totally against a nanny state, this is where the difference lies in. A nanny state discourages the individual to work hard but encourages more to advantage of the benefits from a generous social system, this is what I am criticizing. In France, social spending for those who live in precariousness and in difficult situation outranks most of the other and more prioritary budgets. We might agree to disagree.
The left in the US wants free everything from the government and wants to walk away Scott free from loans that they promised to pay and want the government to look the other way when immigrants sneak into the country illegally and want to give the illegal immagrants free everything and if you broke laws and society took away your vote because you don't know how to citizen well that's okay lawbreaker scofflaw you can have a voice in shaping laws you don't obey sure. How confused and unhappy the left in the US must be living in a world of laws and rules and promises not a very comfortable place to be for selfish ignorant gimme gimme gimme. How bout NO child. Haha send grandpa in to blubber on about nothing and get trounced by the will of the people AGAIN
I think this defeat will break the dumocrat party and then they can start fresh with a realigned nitwit party that still looses but at least stands for something take this next 4 years of your defeat to get right dummiecrats :ROFLMAO:
 
Hark at Christopher Hitchens here.
"He retains, however, from his Marxist youth an intellectual absolutism and a disdain for liberal dilemmas and trade-offs..."

Alexander Linklater, conserning Hitchens' political orientation.
 
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