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Bailey Knox

I like Bailey and have been thinking about joining her site so when I saw just the links to hosted galleries for the "hc" zip, I both joined and bought the "hardcore" video.

Positive things first - yes, it is 35 mins and yes, Bailey does give a handjob and gets a facial. After watching the video, I looked back a few pages here to comments from others who had bought this zip. I wish I had read them first. The negatives are that Bailey does have sex, but the whole thing is shot so you see nothing other than her bouncing on top of her bf. She spits on the cock, but there is no bj. And you see her nipples for a second or so but nothing else.

It's a poor show, I'm afraid, and "Bailey Knox goes hardcore" wildly overstates what you actually see. Yes, as I mentioned, she does fuck on camera - the big downside is that it is so filmed that nothing can be seen.

A great shame.
 
It's a poor show, I'm afraid, and "Bailey Knox goes hardcore" wildly overstates what you actually see. Yes, as I mentioned, she does fuck on camera - the big downside is that it is so filmed that nothing can be seen.

A great shame.

The problems I see are: 1) Misrepresentation of product, 2) Overcharging for product. There were advertisements that clearly stated the video would feature a blowjob, which it did not. However, the lack of bj could be forgiven if the price was more in keeping with what it is: something we've already seen before from Bailey. This should not have been a members only purchase and it's hard to read the marketing of this vid any other way than intended to swindle the customer.
 
The only fucking going on is the webmaster fucking the members. I just stumbled on the thread and tbh I'm not surprised considering Phads karisweets shenanigans

Sorry fellas, I know the feel
 

Phad

Approved Content Owner
Approved Content Owner
Ugh.

The misconceptions going on are disheartening, especially when they get repeated over and over. When I try to explain details from behind the scenes, some people seem tempted to dispute it as propaganda. But whatever, I'll bash my head against the wall again and try one more time, because I'd like there to be a better dialogue about content. Suggestions make for better content, so I'm here to listen.

No one in Epic Panda ever said this was a "Blowjob Video". Did someone else on the internet? Maybe, but I don't know the answer to that, and can't supervise everything. What happens with affiliate programs is that other people, who aren't coordinating with us, write their own blog text and ad copy to advertise an update. Sometimes they write it really fast (because who reads porn?), and usually it's just fluffy keyword-stuffed text for search engine results. And yeah, sometimes it might be intentionally misleading because they want clicks, but usually I'd have to say it's just hastily done. An affiliate might look at the promo gallery and make guesses about what the video has, or just spend two minutes writing whatever they think will get traffic or sales. This is widespread among adult sites, and it doesn't happen to just us. If you search for "so and so's naked pussy" you'll always find results for those keywords, even if the content doesn't really exist.

What I did do is write this post. Everything in that description technically happens in the video. It is hardcore, it has sex, cum, a real cock. If you want to parse out the words and say I should have qualified some of it like, "Bailey slides the cock into her pussy but it's not a close up and it's not brightly lit and her hand is sorta half in the way", then okay, I get your point. But that's how tease content tends to be - you do get something naughty, but it isn't always the full monty. And that's why I explained in the original post that Bailey shot this herself, so it has a self-shot quality. Self-shot is a type of video. That's why they called it "Our Sexy Tape", not anything else like "POV Bailey Blowjob", because THAT would have been misleading. Some people like self-shot content better, so saying that it's self-shot isn't necessarily a criticism.

I don't agree that this is "same old, same old" for Bailey. She shot ONE handjob zipset in 2014, and a lot of different non-nude content in between, so I don't think one more, homemade handjob with a different cock years later qualifies as run-of-the-mill. And no, I don't think it would have been appropriate as a regular site update. We can't regularly update her site with hardcore - she's a tease model. A lot of people asked for more zips like that handjob one, and we've asked, and it didn't happen. Finally it happened, and it's been a long time coming.

But before you flame me again for whatever you're angry about, here are the facts: I wasn't within 300 miles of the set when they were shooting it, and I didn't edit it either. I was told after the fact, via text, "Hey, we shot a zipset tonight!" My response, "Cool, what is it?" Eventually I watched it and agreed it was a zipset. My other option would have been "sorry this isn't good enough", and I've actually done that a lot. Trust me, there have been some big debates between models and shooters and myself, some that have gone on for years, about whether a certain video should be a zipset, or an update, or nothing, etc. The price tag on an epic zip is definitely high, so I'm always pushing for longer run times, a solid concept, something unique about the video. "I danced around in a messy room and flashed a nipple" shouldn't be a zipset, and other things like that. Models learn to want zips because they sell well, but I try to enforce a good standard, so that their fans will want the next one. An Epic Zip should be something way out of the ordinary for the paysite, and done as well as possible. If you want to argue the merits of this one being a zipset because of the grainy Go Pro doing poorly in low light or what have you, I've already said, I can see your point. But they definitely tried to make it good - there were four cameras, it wasn't rushed, and the content was unusual. So I said okay, it could be a zip.
 

Phad

Approved Content Owner
Approved Content Owner
And let me clarify one more thing that's driving me crazy. This idea that we're "holding the models back." That is utter horseshit.

What we HAVE done is caution the models that if they cross a line in their camshow, then that's what their site content needs to be like from then on. If you flash members for a tip, you have to be the same way in the site content. That's what we say, and that can be sobering sometimes.

Let me give you two examples. When we first started shooting Misty, she was a topless-only model. She would briefly shoot some implied nude stuff, but clearly wasn't into it, so I followed her lead. Eventually she started getting super frisky in her camshows and feeling comfortable showing everything, and so the next time she shot with me, that's where the content followed. I didn't say HOLD ON and stop her. Her site went open-leg nude.

The second example is a time when this blew up in our faces. Midori signed on as a non-nude model, and so we shot non-nude content. But then in her camshows she improvised and started messing around with vibrators and hitachis. Everybody loved it. When it came time to shoot again, the photog said, "Hey, you've been camming with toys, we should probably do something in that vein this time." And she said that she was uncomfortable with that, and we actually never shot again.

So if models seem to have certain limits in camshows, that's them drawing the line at what they DON'T want to shoot with a real camera. They know we'll ask. That's the truth, and if you don't believe me you can kiss my hairy ass.
 
Ugh.

What I did do is write this post. Everything in that description technically happens in the video. It is hardcore, it has sex, cum, a real cock. If you want to parse out the words and say I should have qualified some of it like, "Bailey slides the cock into her pussy but it's not a close up and it's not brightly lit and her hand is sorta half in the way", then okay, I get your point. But that's how tease content tends to be - you do get something naughty, but it isn't always the full monty. .

Thanks for your comments, Phad. The issue I have is that your blog post doesn't give any impression that this is "tease content". In terms of the example you give (and I know it was just an example), as Bailey is about to slide the cock in, the camera cuts to a different angle to make sure we can't see.

Someone went to a lot of trouble to make sure that this was a tease video and that we didn't see pretty much anything apart from the handjob. This should have (somehow) been reflected in the advertising.
 
I actually had to request my username and pass just to make this post, I don't remember the last time I even logged in.
I joined the site just to buy this zipset, it was a total waste of money. When you make a set called "hardcore" that's what people expect. They don't expect to barely see nipples, no pussy, no blowjob, and 10 minutes a cock riding that you can see nothing of. Bailey already made a handjob zip and that's all this was. At least with the previous handjob zip we new what to expect. The webmaster can come on here and try to defend whatever he wants, but there really is no excuse. I'm not going to say it was false advertising, I don't think it was. It's just crap, and if that's what he wants to put out that's fine, but I'll personally never buy it again.
 

mriwck

Banned
You know the thing is that these webmasters can do their best to try and put the blame on something else than themselves. But in the end we know what's up, this story has been repeated many times before. Meanwhile Bailey was like urging her webmaster to release the zip on twitter, so the only editing part was done by her webmaster and not Bailey herself. Although we know that behind the scenes you guys make agreements as to what suits you best etc. So in that case you guys pretty much came to an agreement as to what was going to be shown and not shown. You can try and talk yourself out of it but trust me we all know what's up for real. Yes it was false advertising watch the blog again if it's not been edited it promised things that in the end were not true.
 
You guys are literally complaining that you didn't see enough penis in the video. I can't believe it!

How did you ever get through the 90's when they would edit all the penetration scenes and money shots out of every porn on cable? Did you shake your fist at the screen in a weepy rage while your flaccid dicks flopped out of your cum socks?:flaccid:

$70 for 3 titles on PPV which you could only watch once. That's $118.81 adjusted for inflation. So no, I don't mind the extra charge, at all. It was released for her true fans. Not the vocal minority that cry they can't get it for free.

Bailey isn't a porn star, where they have a three month career and end up forgotten with a prolapsed rectum. She is a glamour model, damnit! The fun is in the progression. It's like watching Star Wars and saying the whole movie sucked because you didn't see Obi Wan's decapitated head fly across the screen because you've seen that sort of thing in Friday the 13th. It's just not that type of movie.

I'm going to quote the wise Brix from another thread with similar whining, which I think makes sense here, too.

BriX said:
All these asinine comments about her man's junk are counterproductive - we should be encouraging the two of them, not shaming them. Think for a second you morons.
 
Ugh.

The misconceptions going on are disheartening, especially when they get repeated over and over. When I try to explain details from behind the scenes, some people seem tempted to dispute it as propaganda. But whatever, I'll bash my head against the wall again and try one more time, because I'd like there to be a better dialogue about content. Suggestions make for better content, so I'm here to listen.

No one in Epic Panda ever said this was a "Blowjob Video". Did someone else on the internet? Maybe, but I don't know the answer to that, and can't supervise everything. What happens with affiliate programs is that other people, who aren't coordinating with us, write their own blog text and ad copy to advertise an update. Sometimes they write it really fast (because who reads porn?), and usually it's just fluffy keyword-stuffed text for search engine results. And yeah, sometimes it might be intentionally misleading because they want clicks, but usually I'd have to say it's just hastily done. An affiliate might look at the promo gallery and make guesses about what the video has, or just spend two minutes writing whatever they think will get traffic or sales. This is widespread among adult sites, and it doesn't happen to just us. If you search for "so and so's naked pussy" you'll always find results for those keywords, even if the content doesn't really exist.

What I did do is write this post. Everything in that description technically happens in the video. It is hardcore, it has sex, cum, a real cock. If you want to parse out the words and say I should have qualified some of it like, "Bailey slides the cock into her pussy but it's not a close up and it's not brightly lit and her hand is sorta half in the way", then okay, I get your point. But that's how tease content tends to be - you do get something naughty, but it isn't always the full monty. And that's why I explained in the original post that Bailey shot this herself, so it has a self-shot quality. Self-shot is a type of video. That's why they called it "Our Sexy Tape", not anything else like "POV Bailey Blowjob", because THAT would have been misleading. Some people like self-shot content better, so saying that it's self-shot isn't necessarily a criticism.

I don't agree that this is "same old, same old" for Bailey. She shot ONE handjob zipset in 2014, and a lot of different non-nude content in between, so I don't think one more, homemade handjob with a different cock years later qualifies as run-of-the-mill. And no, I don't think it would have been appropriate as a regular site update. We can't regularly update her site with hardcore - she's a tease model. A lot of people asked for more zips like that handjob one, and we've asked, and it didn't happen. Finally it happened, and it's been a long time coming.

But before you flame me again for whatever you're angry about, here are the facts: I wasn't within 300 miles of the set when they were shooting it, and I didn't edit it either. I was told after the fact, via text, "Hey, we shot a zipset tonight!" My response, "Cool, what is it?" Eventually I watched it and agreed it was a zipset. My other option would have been "sorry this isn't good enough", and I've actually done that a lot. Trust me, there have been some big debates between models and shooters and myself, some that have gone on for years, about whether a certain video should be a zipset, or an update, or nothing, etc. The price tag on an epic zip is definitely high, so I'm always pushing for longer run times, a solid concept, something unique about the video. "I danced around in a messy room and flashed a nipple" shouldn't be a zipset, and other things like that. Models learn to want zips because they sell well, but I try to enforce a good standard, so that their fans will want the next one. An Epic Zip should be something way out of the ordinary for the paysite, and done as well as possible. If you want to argue the merits of this one being a zipset because of the grainy Go Pro doing poorly in low light or what have you, I've already said, I can see your point. But they definitely tried to make it good - there were four cameras, it wasn't rushed, and the content was unusual. So I said okay, it could be a zip.

i bought the video and i think it is outstanding and totally worth its price. well done!
 
I would venture to say that some of the confusion/frustration comes from the fact that the webmasters are saying its entirely up to her and what she's comfortable with, and meanwhile Bailey talks about how they've already shot all this crazy content including blowjob, nude, etc, and that its up to the webmasters when it gets released.

It sure seems like they're just pointing their fingers at each other.

But anyway, that being said, I think its silly to get pissed off about this. She's clearly going further than she has before and all the negativity is just gonna stifle that.
 
You guys are literally complaining that you didn't see enough penis in the video. I can't believe it!

How did you ever get through the 90's when they would edit all the penetration scenes and money shots out of every porn on cable? Did you shake your fist at the screen in a weepy rage while your flaccid dicks flopped out of your cum socks?:flaccid:

$70 for 3 titles on PPV which you could only watch once. That's $118.81 adjusted for inflation. So no, I don't mind the extra charge, at all. It was released for her true fans. Not the vocal minority that cry they can't get it for free.

Bailey isn't a porn star, where they have a three month career and end up forgotten with a prolapsed rectum. She is a glamour model, damnit! The fun is in the progression. It's like watching Star Wars and saying the whole movie sucked because you didn't see Obi Wan's decapitated head fly across the screen because you've seen that sort of thing in Friday the 13th. It's just not that type of movie.

I'm going to quote the wise Brix from another thread with similar whining, which I think makes sense here, too.

I agree with Mark. I don't remember Bailey taking a facial in any other video. I don't remember Bailey fucking her boyfriend on camera in any other video. No, it's not as explicit as Reality Kings or Vivid but is it advertised as such? No.

As for the price, consider this, there are countless NN sites where they charge just as much and you see nothing but panties. If you go on MFC or Clips4Sales, sure, you'll see everything you can imagine but it will easily cost you 4 numbers, I even saw 5 numbers. Some websites offer porn for free, it's all relative. You can whine as much as you want about all you want, business is business and you can't compare apples with oranges. You guys are whining for whining, it's nothing but counterproductive.
 
A video sample would be nice to prove what they is "hardcore"

There is a photo floating around, presumably from the zipset, that shows a dick in her mouth, or so close to being in that it's a semantic argument about in-ness whether it is or not. I don't know if this is a direct capture from the video but given the crispness of the watermark I'm guessing it's from a set of captures that had the watermark added after the images were captured from the video source. Please do not ask me where...it's another board that is open to the public, and only the one picture is posted.
 
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