There is a conspiracy, it's called bad parenting. Jordan Maxwell may be full of shit, way off base or a mixture of the two. The problem is most people are conditioned by their family, friends and other social pressures to believe certain things.......even in the face of rock-solid scientific evidence. The true conspiracy is that we have a society makes people stupid, that do not believe they are. That makes them dangerous.
Are we secretly being controlled??!!
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I wish these so called values would disintegrate faster. I can only take so much stupidity.
Well then, people's pants will hang lower on their asses, and they will bang clubs on rocks to try to communicate with any intelligent life in the universe.
I know what that is!
Prescott Bush, (But he has such an honest face!)
Documents: Bush's Grandfather Directed Bank Tied to Man Who Funded Hitler
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html
Wikipedia article;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush
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Re Skull and Bones - This babe, a Yale cum laude graduate wrote an interesting book about this S & B Fraternity. An intriguing read ! FWIW
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkjpW7...ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Robbins
Ford Motor Co., The Rockefellers, among other prominent American corporations and families aided and abetted the nazis as well.
No accountability when you're that good.
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkjpW7...ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Robbins
Ford Motor Co., The Rockefellers, among other prominent American corporations and families aided and abetted the nazis as well.
No accountability when you're that good.
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I think that most of the paranoia of these groups, theories and actual conspiracies, come from a different age - when access to information was truly an exclusive commodity.
I can see truth to the currents theories if applied 60, 80, 100 years ago. (In the USA)... There was still the need to believe and to ensure that American WASP "culture" was superior. These groups and clubs, like the Klan, mostly have their roots in a turbulent time in America's history as a way to exclude people as much as to include only WASPs.
Now, quite honestly, there are enormously rich, powerful and influential people of diverse backgrounds just in the USA - not even mentioning Europe or Asia. There may have been a time when many of the strings to power were held by members of these groups, but, based on their founding core beliefs, if they really followed them, they would not have Colin Powell, Condoleeza, Wolfowitz and co elevated to such high helping positions. (Interestingly, Wolfowitz is connected to radical right wing Israeli groups, but that's another discussion.)
My point is, though there may have been a time when you had to pass WASP approval to succeed (more easily) in business and politics a long time ago, now, there are equally (if not more so) valuable and important paths that completely bypass their old boy networks.
Anti-semitism, anti-black, anti-poor, anti-west of Philly keeps these leftover relics in their own little world more than the walls of their clubs. It's just bitterly ironic that they continue to surround themselves with the same wood panelling, the same oil paintings, the same drab food, the aversion to wine, the love of grain alcohol, the same wool and cotton fabrics and patterns - in a hope to imitate the English culture that they historically despised to much.
I can see truth to the currents theories if applied 60, 80, 100 years ago. (In the USA)... There was still the need to believe and to ensure that American WASP "culture" was superior. These groups and clubs, like the Klan, mostly have their roots in a turbulent time in America's history as a way to exclude people as much as to include only WASPs.
Now, quite honestly, there are enormously rich, powerful and influential people of diverse backgrounds just in the USA - not even mentioning Europe or Asia. There may have been a time when many of the strings to power were held by members of these groups, but, based on their founding core beliefs, if they really followed them, they would not have Colin Powell, Condoleeza, Wolfowitz and co elevated to such high helping positions. (Interestingly, Wolfowitz is connected to radical right wing Israeli groups, but that's another discussion.)
My point is, though there may have been a time when you had to pass WASP approval to succeed (more easily) in business and politics a long time ago, now, there are equally (if not more so) valuable and important paths that completely bypass their old boy networks.
Anti-semitism, anti-black, anti-poor, anti-west of Philly keeps these leftover relics in their own little world more than the walls of their clubs. It's just bitterly ironic that they continue to surround themselves with the same wood panelling, the same oil paintings, the same drab food, the aversion to wine, the love of grain alcohol, the same wool and cotton fabrics and patterns - in a hope to imitate the English culture that they historically despised to much.
Good points. In the old Soviet Union, (and elsewhere), you were a dissident if questioning the motives of government, and there was always a fear of reprisal in simply stating a belief that didn't go along with public policy.
In slightly more modern times, there is a control of the media, by what information is available to people, handicapping their overall knowledge of what's really going on. "The elite" are privy to that of course, but they bring the dollars into political campaigns, and always have. That of course gives them access to lawmakers who will unquestionably support their business wishes for legislation supporting their financial gains. All the while the "spin", is, "not only does Saddam have WMD's, but we are protecting the world from the bad guys, are you with us or against us, with freedom or against it"? We are protecting you, maintaining a secrecy regarding their true motives. While that might be partially true on the small scale, the overall issue is always money and power. (Look at the history of the tobacco industry in politics, while some peeons think they have knowledge and free choice in making an intelligent decision of what low tar cigarettes they buy). Alfred Adler built a psychological theory on that premise, "The will to power", which replaced earlier sexual desire with a striving for power as the main force of aggression and motivation.
http://www.infinityinst.com/articles/alfred_adler.htm
http://www.durbinhypnosis.com/adler.htm
People are numbers, disposable with their miniscule desire to gain or even to be able to get accurate information and make informed decisions, but mislead to the illusion that they are intelligent and aware.
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Living in England I don't recognise the culture you mentioned.
There has never been an aversion to wine-England is the international wine capital and was for a long time by far the world's biggest consumer of top class wines.It's a climate thing, warm countries make wine and brandy,cooler ones use grain and make beer and whisky.So the everyday drink was beer and the wealthier people were able to afford wine as well.Now wine drinking is universal.
Regarding food, London has long been acknowledged as the world's #1 destination for dining out .Britain is an intensely quality food conscious nation.Yes, there are many that visit MacDonald's and Starbucks (ugh!) but most of us know better.
As for wood panelling and oil paintings, I don't see the problem with these.
I think he's refering to a network of elite groups in society, perhaps college associates, (when refering to "old school"). I think Oxford also has the notoriety of Yale and Harvard in the US in that regard. The type of paneling doesn't matter, it's the fact that such "club" membership has been in existence for many years, before fake woodgrain laminates.
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One thing's for certain - The food supply has been manipulated !
There's seemingly little energy in the food "we" eat today.
If I didn't supplement my diet with healthfood store grade vitamins,
I'd be an exhausted fat - sap.
Hasn't any body noticed how deficient of energy food has become ?
. . . like a bread and water diet !
Engineered & Manipulated ? You bet ! C/O Con Agra, Unilever, Kraft, Nestle etc. ad nauseum.
Pick up a real free range bird and real independently farmed
fruits & veggies where they're grown primarily for quality, as opposed to quantity - Then you may see the light.
Power corrupts once again !
There's seemingly little energy in the food "we" eat today.
If I didn't supplement my diet with healthfood store grade vitamins,
I'd be an exhausted fat - sap.
Hasn't any body noticed how deficient of energy food has become ?
. . . like a bread and water diet !
Engineered & Manipulated ? You bet ! C/O Con Agra, Unilever, Kraft, Nestle etc. ad nauseum.
Pick up a real free range bird and real independently farmed
fruits & veggies where they're grown primarily for quality, as opposed to quantity - Then you may see the light.
Power corrupts once again !
Yeah, now if they save money by not using fertilizer, they charge more because it's natural.
Archer Daniels Midland is screwing with bio engineering and the food supply. But don't worry about them, their stock is up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Daniels_Midland
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knows petras secret: she farted.
without a doubt, and without going too far into the cliches of conspiracy theories, there is not doubt some influence of control or behavior modification, whatever you want to call it. theres no denying that.
if you ever found yourself humming a jingle from a commercial or thinking about the words, guess what, its a form of it. as far as the scary and more popular fear: subliminal messages goes, id say yeah, its completely possible theres a degree of influence 'round the world.
if you ever found yourself humming a jingle from a commercial or thinking about the words, guess what, its a form of it. as far as the scary and more popular fear: subliminal messages goes, id say yeah, its completely possible theres a degree of influence 'round the world.
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knows petras secret: she farted.
yeah man, i dont doubt it at all. i dont want to be thrown in the mix of loonies and conspiracy theorists, but i think this is on a level you really cant deny. even if its just a small degree, its still happening.
Yep! Everything we think, eat, sleep, dream and say is like following a script.
I've said it many times. Advertisers believe if you see an ad 10x it sticks with you, so when people say they have free will and aren't influenced buying new cars, computers, TV's, prescription drugs, or that violence in movies and TV doesn't effect them, (or their kids), or ads promoting smiling politicians, don't eventually cause us to believe what they say.
If it has no effect I wonder why manufacturers spend those billions each year trying to influence, "you", through ads if it doesn't work?
They must just spend that money to buy off those weak minded souls, but not us! :dunno:
I was watching, "The Dead Poet's Society", and Robin Williams was trying to show his students how easily they fell into conformity. He had three of them run in a small circle and although they got a bit silly, the rest of the group started clapping in rhythm. When he pointed out that they ran in step, it was conformity and suggested if anyone agreed they should ask themselves while they were clapping.
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