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Anybody else think this is getting out of control?

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xfire

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Yeah, because none of us were in the room with Zimmerman there's no way any of us could know what he said, etc. etc. blah blah. The twin trolls are on a roll. Telling boilover and Samantha to suck each others dicks is the same as telling them to go fuck themselves.
 

Shifty

O.G.
Shifty... it's your right to not own a gun. And, It is my right to own a gun. That's the way it is. I have chosen to be a gunslinger, and you have chosen to be at the mercy of the criminal who has no mercy for you what so ever, and the cops who will be there at your house approximately 5 minutes after you've been beaten and or killed.

I choose to not let that scenario ever happen to me and my family.

For the last time Sam. It's not you. It's the society you live in. It's broken, and this thread is proof of that. You can't trust the average joe to carry a firearm. Violent crime is far more rampant in your country than in mine.

And you're no gunslinger. The Wild West is dead. Dead!

Wrong. You are so off base and out of touch that it's pitiful. Do you know why the second amendment exists?

Off base, perhaps according to your skewed fucked up view of the world.

Why does the 2nd amendment exist? What has it done for you?
 
For the last time Sam. It's not you. It's the society you live in. It's broken, and this thread is proof of that. You can't trust the average joe to carry a firearm. Violent crime is far more rampant in your country than in mine.

And you're no gunslinger. The Wild West is dead. Dead!

Really? Tell that to Zimmerman and every other person who has been attacked, maimed, crippled, rendered brain dead, because some two-bit thug decided to prey on an innocent victim. And, I don't know where you live, but me... I live in Colorado. In fact, just the other day I walked into my bank and stood in line with my SIG-Sauer P228 in my holster and fully exposed. Nobody behind me freaked out, no bank employee freaked out, and nobody got harmed.

Neat how that works, huh?
 
BS, I was not calling your post out - apologies. I was referring to the portion of your quote that I bolded.

No one in this day and age should require armed protection - not in North America (aside from VIPs - celebs etc.).

By law I cannot purchase or carry a handgun for protection. But I don't need one.

You apparently might. Why?

See my point?

This is seriously incredibly naive and just plain ignoring the reality.

Do you also believe that hunting - a God given right and in some areas a necessity to live - is an immoral and thus illegal deal as well?


I don't know where you are coming from at all. If you make it stateside some time take a stroll through Philly or DC or South Central and tell me if your sister or mom was in these areas for work you would deny them (assuming they are mentally fit and qualify) the right to at least a small firearm. Kumbaya isn't my thing.

I like you Shifty but you are very naive when it comes to a lot of things American. "From my cold dead hands," seriously, you would have to imprison me if you ever though after my properties have been robbed I am going to give some faggot cop my firearms.

Peace. :cthulhu:
 
For the last time Sam. It's not you. It's the society you live in. It's broken, and this thread is proof of that. You can't trust the average joe to carry a firearm. Violent crime is far more rampant in your country than in mine.

And you're no gunslinger. The Wild West is dead. Dead!



Off base, perhaps according to your skewed fucked up view of the world.

Why does the 2nd amendment exist? What has it done for you?

You're living in Lennon's "Imagine" dreamworld.

I know people with enough firearms to blow an entire neighborhood to shit but they have not and never will do so, in a trillion years. This is the MAJORITY of firearms' owners.

Why are you denying this?
 

Shifty

O.G.
Shifty... it's your right to not own a gun. And, It is my right to own a gun. That's the way it is. I have chosen to be a gunslinger, and you have chosen to be at the mercy of the criminal who has no mercy for you what so ever, and the cops who will be there at your house approximately 5 minutes after you've been beaten and or killed.

I choose to not let that scenario ever happen to me and my family.

Really? Tell that to Zimmerman and every other person who has been attacked, maimed, crippled, rendered brain dead, because some two-bit thug decided to prey on an innocent victim. And, I don't know where you live, but me... I live in Colorado. In fact, just the other day I walked into my bank and stood in line with my SIG-Sauer P228 in my holster and fully exposed. Nobody behind me freaked out, no bank employee freaked out, and nobody got harmed.

Neat how that works, huh?

It's funny ... you started this thread and yet you don't acknowlege the agreed-to facts of this case. Zimmerman was not the victim. He pursued the victim. That's common knowledge. The victim is dead, and Zimmerman killed him. Zimmerman was not victimized. He was a gun-toting wannabe banana. Just like you.

So ... you still stand in line at the bank huh? That's fucking hilarious. I haven't stood in a bank line for over 20 years.

Where I live, we don't carry guns. People respect one another - exposed weapons aren't required for that.

Dude, heads up: your life fucking sucks.
 
Yeah, because none of us were in the room with Zimmerman there's no way any of us could know what he said, etc. etc. blah blah. The twin trolls are on a roll. Telling boilover and Samantha to suck each others dicks is the same as telling them to go fuck themselves.

You don't know shit, and it makes you look even dumber to refuse to admit it. Meanwhile, I'm staying on topic, and you're engaging in childish name calling. Then your buddy Shifty is answering questions with questions. Who is the troll in this scenario? Spoiler Alert: You and Shifty are. Grow up.
 

Shifty

O.G.
This is seriously incredibly naive and just plain ignoring the reality.

Do you also believe that hunting - a God given right and in some areas a necessity to live - is an immoral and thus illegal deal as well?

No, I don't.

I don't know where you are coming from at all. If you make it stateside some time take a stroll through Philly or DC or South Central and tell me if your sister or mom was in these areas for work you would deny them (assuming they are mentally fit and qualify) the right to at least a small firearm. Kumbaya isn't my thing.

Help these people. Don't arm yourselves against them.

I like you Shifty but you are very naive when it comes to a lot of things American. "From my cold dead hands," seriously, you would have to imprison me if you ever though after my properties have been robbed I am going to give some faggot cop my firearms.

Quite simply, my life is more peaceful than yours. Thankfully, I'll never know your angst.

You're living in Lennon's "Imagine" dreamworld.

I know people with enough firearms to blow an entire neighborhood to shit but they have not and never will do so, in a trillion years. This is the MAJORITY of firearms' owners.

Why are you denying this?

Good God, you are fucked.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
You don't know shit, and it makes you look even dumber to refuse to admit it. Meanwhile, I'm staying on topic, and you're engaging in childish name calling. Then your buddy Shifty is answering questions with questions. Who is the troll in this scenario? Spoiler Alert: You and Shifty are. Grow up.

You're making straw-man arguments and trolling. Carry on, fagot, it's business as usual for your dumb ass.
 
You're making straw-man arguments and trolling. Carry on, fagot, it's business as usual for your dumb ass.

You clearly don't know what a straw man argument is, and you're immature enough to call someone a [sic] "fagot". I'd say you've lost, and only succeeded in demonstrating your own ignorance. Good job!
 
So ... you still stand in line at the bank huh? That's fucking hilarious. I haven't stood in a bank line for over 20 years.

Where I live, we don't carry guns. People respect one another - exposed weapons aren't required for that.

Dude, heads up: your life fucking sucks.

Yeah, this small town of mine is perfect for families, and for good, hard working Americans. You see, I actually get out and walk around in my town. I enjoy making deposits and withdrawals from my bank in person, to make small talk and to occasionally run into someone I haven't seen in a while.

However, one never knows what nut job is going to try and do harm to me, my family, or any innocent bystander. I like being prepared. I refuse to be like sheep, defenseless against anyone who is determined to do harm to me or my family. So, you go right on ahead and live in that altruism world of yours. I on the other hand will live in mine.

They say: "The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth." Well, I got news for 'em.... "count me out!"
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
You clearly don't know what a straw man argument is, and you're immature enough to call someone a [sic] "fagot". I'd say you've lost, and only succeeded in demonstrating your own ignorance. Good job!

Hopefully you'll get as tired as your rhetoric before long. Until then-

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Hopefully you'll get as tired as your rhetoric before long. Until then-

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Trolololol! Apparently you're intellectually incapable of making any kind of rational point, so you have to resort to low level trolling.
 
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xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
No, stupid, the facts remain.

1) Trayvon Martin was unarmed
2) George Zimmerman followed Martin, even after 9-1-1 told him not to
3) Martin was staying at his Dad's girlfriends house, which was in that particular community, giving Martin every right to be there.

You have no intelligent response to that so you troll.
 
No, stupid, the facts remain.

1) Trayvon Martin was unarmed
2) George Zimmerman followed Martin, even after 9-1-1 told him not to
3) Martin was staying at his Dad's girlfriends house, which was in that particular community, giving Martin every right to be there.

You have no intelligent response to that so you troll.

My intelligent response is that you don't actually know any of those things. You can't trust the news, they've been spinning and manipulating this thing from the beginning. These are your opinions based on what you have been told by third and fourth parties. You are being manipulated, and you don't seem to realize it or even care. That's pretty stupid. Even if somehow you could miraculously prove that these opinions of yours are actually facts, they are only a tiny portion of the story. So meanwhile, you're just going around spewing your uninformed ignorance as if you actually know anything worth saying. You're either a giant troll, or just a sad, unintelligent man. Shit, maybe you're both. Maybe you can take some night classes at a Learning Annex or something to get some kind of education or useful information into your brain. Maybe you're not hopeless. But right now, you're the guy telling stories from the tabloids about Richard Gere, claiming that he knows them to be true. You're the dolt that claims it's a fact that dogs can't look up.
 
And the good lord said "Let there be Chaos":popcorn:

Lots of tension in this thread

To think this is all over some fat ass mexican guy with a jewish name killin a random black kid

Can't wait to see how America reacts when Jaleel White doesn't win dancing with the stars

The Zolfster didnt even know that joilover (aka Jolly olly oxen free) was back

That was one short banning

Who's dick is he sucking?
 
Has anyone ever stood Watch before? I have. I'm sure there are a few in here who served in the military.

Seeing how Zimmerman was the man on duty that night, he had every right to question Trayvon, even though it was a non military area, I'm sure he had regulations to follow.


The General Orders for Sentries are quite similar between the Navy and Marine Corps, the main differences being the titles of positions referenced in the orders. The Navy Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps (NJROTC), Naval Reserve Officer Training Corps (NROTC) also use the following General Orders to the Sentry.
The General Orders for Navy and Marines are as follows:

1. To take charge of this post and all government property in view.
When you are a sentry, you are "in charge." This means that no one—no matter what their rank or position—may overrule your authority in carrying out your orders. The only way that you may be exempted from carrying out your orders is if your orders are changed by your superior. For example, if your orders are to allow no one to enter a fenced-in compound, you must prevent everyone from entering, even if an admiral tells you it is all right for him or her to enter. The petty officer of the watch (or whoever is your immediate superior) may modify your orders to allow the admiral to enter, but without that authorization you must keep the admiral out. Situations such as this will not often, if ever, occur, but it is important that you understand the principles involved. It is also your responsibility to know the limits of your post. This information will be conveyed to you among your special orders. You must also treat all government property that you can see as though it were your own, even if it is not technically part of your assigned post.[1]

2. To walk my post in a military manner, keeping always on the alert and observing everything that takes place within sight or hearing.
"Keep your eyes peeled", as the expression goes. Be vigilant by looking around at all times. Do not be tempted to hide from the rain or cold in poor weather. If you see or hear anything unusual, investigate it.[1]

3. To report all violations of orders I am instructed to enforce.
If, for example, someone is climbing a fence near your post, you must report it, even if the offender stops climbing and runs away after your challenge. In this case, even though it appears that the threat to security is over, there is no way for you to know whether this violator is the only one involved. And even though the climber may have just been seeking a shortcut back to her or his ship, you cannot be certain that there is not something more sinister involved. Let your superiors make the judgment calls; your job is to report what happens on or near your post.[1]

4. To repeat all calls from posts more distant from the guardhouse (or the Quarterdeck) than my own.
"In these days of modern communications, sentries will probably have telephones or radios at their disposal with which to make their reports. But if they do not, or if there is a power failure or some other reason that the modern equipment fails, the age-old practice of relaying the word is very important. The term "guardhouse" in this general order refers to the command post or point of control for the watches. It might be the quarterdeck on board ship or a tent in the field.[1]

5. To quit my post only when properly relieved.
It should be fairly obvious that you should not leave your post until someone has come to take your place or until the petty officer of the guard has told you that the watch is no longer necessary. If the person relieving you is late, report it to the petty officer of the watch but do not quit your post. If you become ill and can no longer stand your watch, notify the petty officer of the watch and he or she will provide you a proper relief.[1]

6. To receive, obey, and pass on to the sentry who relieves me, all orders from the Commanding Officer, Command Duty Officer, Officer of the Day, Officer of the Deck, and Officers and Petty Officers of the watch only..
It is essential that you receive and obey all of the special orders that apply to your watch. It is also essential that you pass these orders on to your relief.[1]
For the Marine Corps it reads 'Commanding Officer, Officer of the Day, Officers, and Non-Commissioned Officers of the guard only.'

7. To talk to no one except in the line of duty.
"Having conversations about matters not pertaining to your duty is distracting and must be avoided. If someone tries to engage you in casual conversation while you are standing your watch, it is your responsibility to inform them courteously that you are on duty and cannot talk with them.[1]

8. To give the alarm in case of fire or disorder.
"While this is rather straightforward and obvious, keep in mind that a fire or disorder of some kind might be a deliberate distraction to keep you from observing some other disorderly or subversive activity. If you are certain that a fire is not meant to be a distraction, you should fight the fire if you have the means to do so. Remember, however, that your first responsibility is to report whatever is amiss.[1]

9. To call the Corporal of the Guard/Officer of the Deck in any case not covered by instructions.
The rule here is "When in doubt, ask." If you are not sure what you are supposed to do in a particular situation, it is better to ask for clarification than to make an assumption or to guess.[1]

10. To salute all officers and all colors and standards not cased.
Even though you are in charge of your post and everyone, including officers, must obey your instructions insofar as they pertain to your duties, you must still extend the appropriate military courtesies. Both terms, "colors" and "standards", refer to the national ensign. The national ensign may be referred to as "the colors" when it is fixed to a staff, mast, or pike (e.g., when flown from a flagstaff or carried in a parade). When it is fixed to a vehicle it is often called "the national standard." A flag is considered "cased" when it is furled and placed in a protective covering. If your duties allow, you should take part in morning or evening colors ceremonies, but do not sacrifice your vigilance by doing so. For example, if your assignment requires that you watch a certain area and the national ensign is being hoisted in a different direction, you should stand at attention and salute but do not face the colors; keep looking in the direction you are supposed to be watching.[1]
A "standard" to be saluted would be someone or something that military personnel are required or encouraged to salute. Two examples of a "Standard" would be the Medal of Honor or a Medal of Honor recipient. Some commands require a salute to the family of fallen soldiers during a funeral or memorial service - this could also be considered a "Standard."

11. To be especially watchful at night and during the time for challenging, to challenge all persons on or near my post, and to allow no one to pass without proper authority.
Challenging persons while you are on sentry duty is accomplished by a mix of custom and common sense. When a person or party approaches your post, you should challenge them at a distance that is sufficient for you to react if they turn out to have hostile intentions. You should say in a firm voice, loud enough to be easily heard, "Halt! Who goes there?" (or "Who is there?"). Once the person answers, you should then say "Advance to be recognized." If you are challenging a group of people, you should say, "Advance one to be recognized." If you have identified the person or persons approaching, permit them to pass. If you are not satisfied with that person's identification, you must detain the person and call the petty officer of the watch. When two or more individuals approach from different directions at the same time, challenge each in turn and require each to halt until told to proceed.[1]

General Orders for the Navy and Coast Guard are essentially the same, except for the wording of two orders:
6. To receive, obey and pass on to the sentry who relieves me, all orders from the Commanding Officer, Command Duty Officer, Officer of the Deck, and Officers and Petty Officers of the Watch only.
9. To call the Officer of the Deck in any case not covered by instructions.
General Orders of the Coast Guard:
6 is similar, however there is a difference in the officers.: To receive, obey and pass on the sentry who relieves me, all orders from the Commanding Officer, Field Officer of the day, Officer of the day, and all Officers and Petty Officers of the Watch.
9. To call the Petty Officer of the watch in any case not covered by instructions..
[edit]Army

The United States Army now uses a condensed form of orders, with three basic instructions. Previously it used the same Eleven General Orders as the Marines.[2]
I will guard everything within the limits of my post and quit my post only when properly relieved.
I will obey my special orders and perform all my duties in a military manner.
I will report violations of my special orders, emergencies, and anything not covered in my instructions to the commander of the relief.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
You can't trust the news, they've been spinning and manipulating this thing from the beginning.

I took out all the trolling parts and that's all that's left to reply to, thusly- :tinhat:

And it's really cute to see you try to act like you've got any kind of intellect. Keep trying, I'm sure you've got fans.
 
I took out all the trolling parts and that's all that's left to reply to, thusly- :tinhat:

And it's really cute to see you try to act like you've got any kind of intellect. Keep trying, I'm sure you've got fans.

Keep it up. All you're doing is proving that you don't have a clue what you're talking about. I'm not even sure you know what a tin hat is supposed to signify, I suspect you just like the pretty colors. And really, is that the best you can do? You just basically keep repeating "I know you are but what am I" in between homophobic slurs and idiocy. It's kind of sad; right now 4chan is short a mongoloid.
 
No, I don't.



Help these people. Don't arm yourselves against them.



Quite simply, my life is more peaceful than yours. Thankfully, I'll never know your angst.



Good God, you are fucked.


Nah brah, my life is hunky dory. I've been to the Gospel Mission handing out sandwiches to homeless when I was just out of diapers. I've given big trash bags of name brand cloths to Goodwill. I've given coats. I give food to the homeless and advocate for it.


And as far as being fucked, I'd feel MUCH MUCH MUCH safer in the boons where every house has at least one firearm (probably more like a half dozen) then I ever would in South Central, where I would be lynched for no other reason but that I'm Caucasian.

Firearms are easily accessible on the street here and I've come across my fair share that were illegally tried to sell me.

You are avoiding the realities I've put forth and continue to stroll around them with your posts, so I cannot continue this conversation with you.

I am not fucked, but my neighborhood has gotten worse and in the meantime I will hold my firearm until Obama and his henchmen try to forcibly take it from me. Until I can get to the burbs/boonies and have a wife and some dependents, that will continue.

I have no grudge against you Shifty so let's not let it get ugly between us. Think about the realities I have put forth though as they are not some delusional crap I have; this is reality and is the way it is. The truth will set you free.
 
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