Americans Rank the Presidents

[Crazy4theBrat]

The name of this thread should be changed to:

Liberal Americans Rank the Presidents

 

[Crazy4theBrat]

It's too soon to even think about placing Obama.
Good men on the whole don't make good leaders , there are exceptions but it's a good rule of thumb.
As for Truman and the bomb, at the time the US was preparing an invasion of the Japanese mainland and projected casualties were horrendous.On both sides too though Japanese ones weren't considered that important at the time.Of course he had to try to end the war with the bombs.Even after they had dropped and the Emperor had decided for peace there was very nearly a palace coup by the Army faction which wished to continue fighting.The Japanese mind set was so different from the Western one that normal logic just didn't apply.

This is exactly right, and it's what I was referring to in my original post in this thread.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

The name of this thread should be changed to:

Liberal Americans Rank the Presidents

Absolutely. The title is misleading. I can't get over this love affair this pathetic bunch of Obama lovers have with him. Give him respect, but don't figuratively suck him off every chance you get for chrysakes.

 

[Hot Mega]

Absolutely. The title is misleading. I can't get over this love affair this pathetic bunch of Obama lovers have with him. Give him respect, but don't figuratively suck him off every chance you get for chrysakes.

Obama hasn't done anything which has delivered tangible results yet. He has had some failures thus far though. No matter the reason why it isn't nor who's fault...GiTMO should be closed.

His failing to get that done when most wanted it done is a major blow to his leadership ability IMO. When most people want something done and you can't overcome the minority who don't, that is a gap in leadership plain and simple.

Obama gives great speeches but he doesn't communicate well to the American people. I liken it to a man in a relationship with a woman when times are tough...Men generally will big picture the situation every now and then but do what needs to be done behind the scenes. That won't work for most women because they tend to need the finite details as to what's going on explained to them regularly to keep them on track with your plan. The American people are as fickle.

It is not really practical IMO to try and rate bests...it's allot easier to rate worsts.

You look the policies they enacted or engaged in and their tangible effects on the country...

Many people will judge GWB as being a bad president based primarily on the state of the country when he left office, wars, etc. I believe however, GWB was one of the most effective presidents at getting his policies....His policies were quite another thing though.

 

[roronoa3000]

Andrew Jackson was a queer.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Obama hasn't done anything which has delivered tangible results yet. He has had some failures thus far though. No matter the reason why it isn't nor who's fault...GiTMO should be closed.

His failing to get that done when most wanted it done is a major blow to his leadership ability IMO. When most people want something done and you can't overcome the minority who don't, that is a gap in leadership plain and simple.

Obama gives great speeches but he doesn't communicate well to the American people. I liken it to a man in a relationship with a woman when times are tough...Men generally will big picture the situation every now and then but do what needs to be done behind the scenes. That won't work for most women because they tend to need the finite details as to what's going on explained to them regularly to keep them on track with your plan. The American people are as fickle.

It is not really practical IMO to try and rate bests...it's allot easier to rate worsts.

You look the policies they enacted or engaged in and their tangible effects on the country...

Many people will judge GWB as being a bad president based primarily on the state of the country when he left office, wars, etc. I believe however, GWB was one of the most effective presidents at getting his policies....His policies were quite another thing though.

So Americans are as fickle as women? I, of course, have no problem with that analog, but I'd love to see a feminist tackle it!

Quick question though, as FDR is now viewed as our best president ever, IF Iraq becomes a bastion for Democracy and a haven to a somewhat secular domestic policy (like Hussein's) do you see G. W. moving up into that Roosevelt-ish stratosphere? Where time heals wounds and the status of Monday justifies the actions of Sunday? Are we so apt to accept Machiavellian doctrine if we can summarize the results as a good thing?

 

[marquis2]

So Americans are as fickle as women? I, of course, have no problem with that analog, but I'd love to see a feminist tackle it!

Quick question though, as FDR is now viewed as our best president ever, IF Iraq becomes a bastion for Democracy and a haven to a somewhat secular domestic policy (like Hussein's) do you see G. W. moving up into that Roosevelt-ish stratosphere? Where time heals wounds and the status of Monday justifies the actions of Sunday? Are we so apt to accept Machiavellian doctrine if we can summarize the results as a good thing?

My suspicion is that it was clear to FDR that the US would never have real security by sitting on the sidelines during WW2 but could never have convinced the people of this.Whatever happened in Europe would result in either German or Soviet domination, neither of which would stand contemplation.Isolation was never really an option however attractive it seemed.
But you must judge a President on results not on intentions or even integrity.

 

[bustybbwlover]

Andrew Jackson was a queer.

i was unaware but i know he liked killing off the natives

 

[Hot Mega]

So Americans are as fickle as women? I, of course, have no problem with that analog, but I'd love to see a feminist tackle it!

They would probably be inclined to agree.:dunno: Well, probably a real woman would...a wacko, "female" who cherry picks the distinctions between man and woman to suit an agenda would throw a hissy.:o You should have put "feminist" in quotations.

Quick question though, as FDR is now viewed as our best president ever, IF Iraq becomes a bastion for Democracy and a haven to a somewhat secular domestic policy (like Hussein's) do you see G. W. moving up into that Roosevelt-ish stratosphere? Where time heals wounds and the status of Monday justifies the actions of Sunday? Are we so apt to accept Machiavellian doctrine if we can summarize the results as a good thing?

What does FDR have to do with the question of GWB and Iraq?? IMO, it doesn't matter what evolves in Iraq up or down...GWB effectively created a circumstance to go to war with a fairly impotent country who posed no practical threat to the US.

In so doing, he needlessly saddled the country with nearly another trillion dollars of debt, shattered the lives of many, added to the destabilization of world economies with the Iraq War's influence on oil pricing and depending on what happens in Afghanistan...possibly causing the US to be in further danger by blowing off those who really are practical threats to the US's citizens.

You ask most Americans...assuming they knew there was a such thing as Iraq prior to GWB's administration making it a hyphenated word with 9/11..if they wanted it to be a democracy? Outside of the few hundred ideologues our country...the overwhelming majority would have been indifferent to the notion at best. Certainly the answer would have been, "FUCK NO!!" if it meant getting a bunch of dead Americans, nearly a trillion in new debt, 10s of thousands of disabled Americans collecting even more tax dollars to treat and care for what's left of their lives and contribute to skyrocketing oil prices...All that so Iraq could become "the bastion" of democracy...maybe???

The picture any clearer now?

All this is before we even get to the policies he engaged in by fiat and co-conspiring with DOJ in order to do so. Then co-conspiring with congress to put into law such a nebulous document ("patriarch act") as to give him cover to violate the spirit of laws and constitutional guarantees.

Frankly, GWB is about as far down as whale shit on the list...and whale shit is at the bottom of the deepest waters on earth.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

The list begins and ends with this, our greatest leader. Some would say he is also probably the worst but that's just sour grapes considering he probably incinerated their family members with his heat vision.

Sure it sucked having all of my material possessions taken away but in exchange for his benevolent leadership (and not incinerating my family) we now have the welfare state socialists have dreamed of since FDR.

All hail Zod!

 

[pool_hustler]

my top five in order are:
Lincoln
FDR
Washington
Jefferson
Teddy R

To me Lincoln towers over the rest. Nobody's had to face more adversity. Yes he took some extra-constitutional measures, but he did so in the midst of total war, to the tune of 600,000 dead.

 

[ralph furley]

The Roosevelts were 1 and 2? HAHAHA!

I understand why people hate Bush...I fucking hate Bush. BUT, compared to that tyrannical gimp, FDR, Bush was a saint.

Let's see, did FDR:

Provoke the Japanese into an attack? Check!
Purposely ignore signs that the Japanese are going to attack a US Naval base? Check!
By executive order, seize property of over 100,000 Japanese Americans before sending them to live inside fenced in internment camps?
Check!
Try to singlehandedly control The Supreme Court? Check!

And his sadistic warmonger cousin Teddy? Yeah, he had no problem acting as the catalyst of a civil war in Columbia. How anybody can despise Bush yet champion the Roosevelt boys is beyond me.

how exactly did FDR provoke the japanese into an attack?