Americans Rank the Presidents

^I'm going to say it was the bombs.

Why wait 6 days after the 2nd bomb dropped? We gave warning before and after we dropped Fat Man...they didn't heed that warning.

But you know, when the Soviets gained control of Sakhalin and the Kurile Islands, Hirohito was quick to write a love letter to MacArthur. People forget that, before we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima, General LeMay firebombed Tokyo, ****ing as many as the A-bomb did. The Japanese didn't blink.
 

Vlad The Impaler

Power Slave
Dropping the bombs off of the coast wouldn't have worked. You know why? Because dropping Fat Man and Little Boy on Hiroshima and Nagasaki didn't work.

Americans **** to acknowledge this, but the reason Japan surrendered when it did was because the Soviets were headed East...through Manchuria and towards Japan. Japan would have kept fighting with us after we nuked them...but the idea of a Soviet occupation frightened them beyond belief. Does anybody think that Stalin would have allowed Hirohito to hold his title?

The A-bombs didn't win the war. The fear of Soviet style Communism did.

Now I get it.
 
^I'm going to say it was the bombs.

As am I. I've never even heard the theory that the Japs were scared of Russia. Their mindset was to fight to the death on the battlefield. I don't see another army, no matter how big, scaring them too much.

On the other hand, when the Emperor saw how the US was able to completely obliterate an entire city simply by dropping a bomb, and when he heard that the US was willing to keep destroying city after city until he gave in, this sounds like a much more likely scenario where he would have given up.
 
As am I. I've never even heard the theory that the Japs were scared of Russia. Their mindset was to fight to the death on the battlefield. I don't see another army, no matter how big, scaring them too much.

On the other hand, when the Emperor saw how the US was able to completely obliterate an entire city simply by dropping a bomb, and when he heard that the US was willing to keep destroying city after city until he gave in, this sounds like a much more likely scenario where he would have given up.

Umm, you do know that the Japanese surrender was given with conditions, right? The main condition being that Hirohito would retain his position as nominal head of state.

The Soviets wouldn't play ball. The Americans would. The Imperial Japanese government didn't care about civilian casualties...they're reaction to the looming invasion of Kyushu was to order citizens to arm themselves with any household items that they could find and **** themselves before capture.

Hirohito acted in his own best interest. Surrender to MacArthur would mean that Japan wouldn't be carved up and he would evade any war crimes charges.
 
In related news today:

Calvin Coolidge Has Become Hero to Tea Partiers

PLYMOUTH, Vt. (July 3) -- In the Vermont hamlet where Calvin Coolidge was born, folks will celebrate his star-spangled birthday the way they always do.

A Vermont National Guard contingent and a color guard will gather at noon on the village green and walk down to the Plymouth Notch Cemetery, where Coolidge is buried, trailed by hundreds of people - Coolidge descendants, presidential history buffs and locals.

There, Brig. Gen. Matthew McCoy will lay a wreath provided by the White House, a U.S. Army bugler will blow "Taps" and McCoy will lead the procession back up the road to the village, where a chicken barbecue picnic is held for anyone who wants to come.

But this year, the celebration of the only U.S. president born on July 4 won't end with the simple Independence Day ritual.

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Calvin Coolidge is consistently viewed as one of the worst American presidents in polls.
The opening of a new museum dedicated to Coolidge, the renewed cachet of his back-to-basics government philosophy and a symposium revisiting his presidency are prompting new looks at the shy, oft-maligned 30th president known as "Silent Cal."

"We haven't heard much about Coolidge for 60 years, but he's become a heroic figure to the tea partiers because of his strong anti-tax positions," said presidential historian Rogan Kersh, of New York University.

The *** of a village storekeeper, he was a stern Yankee with a dry wit who believed that the best government was one that governed the least. He served as governor of Massachusetts before being tapped for the GOP ticket headed by Warren Harding in 1920.

In 1923, he was swept into history when Harding died of a heart ******. Coolidge, who was spending the summer at his ******'s homestead in Plymouth Notch, was sworn in as president by his ****** - who was a notary public - in the parlor of their house just before 3 a.m. on Aug. 3, 1923.

He was elected to a full term in 1924, but chose not to seek re-election to a second full term. He turned down a $2 million retirement package offered by friends when he left the White House, insisting instead that the money be given to a school for the deaf where his wife had once taught.

Coolidge, who fought to reduce income taxes and business taxes, opposed **** subsidies and thought it wrong to raise money for political campaigning, doesn't get much respect from history books.

He's consistently rated among the worst U.S. presidents in polls.

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http://www.aolnews.com/politics/art...nt-calvin-coolidge-hero-to-tea-party/19541494
 
Absolutely. I posted it because it popped up on my AOL screen today. Thought I'd show y'all how disgraceful this is. To put Obama next to an American hero and legend like Andrew Jackson should make all these 'scholars' ashamed.

Well, If those scholars happened to be Native Americans then I can see the logic in their choice. Just joking around by the way.
 
Well, If those scholars happened to be Native Americans then I can see the logic in their choice. Just joking around by the way.

You're rarely going to find a fair-minded scholar in today's higher educational institutions. I've been there and done that. It's a rare find. So to surmise that this "ranking" is fair and balanced is not correct. Obama at 15 singly makes the ranking null and void.
 
Now I get it.

Sarcasm? I'm guessing so seeing as I just read your USA thread. The fact that the Japanese would rather surrender to us than risk a partial Soviet occupation speaks highly of America, I believe. They knew that US occupation and the adoption of a US style constitution was the best possible option.

And it doesn't diminish our role in the war. If Japan hadn't surrendered, we would have continued to drop atomic bombs and our soldiers, Marines and sailors would have been ****** to invade the Japanese islands and **** masses of untrained and hopeless civilian insurgents. I've never heard anybody claim or suggest that our military efforts from August on wouldn't have won the war. But there'd have been a lot more dead Japs and Yanks.
 

Vlad The Impaler

Power Slave
Sarcasm? I'm guessing so seeing as I just read your USA thread. The fact that the Japanese would rather surrender to us than risk a partial Soviet occupation speaks highly of America, I believe. They knew that US occupation and the adoption of a US style constitution was the best possible option.

And it doesn't diminish our role in the war. If Japan hadn't surrendered, we would have continued to drop atomic bombs and our soldiers, Marines and sailors would have been ****** to invade the Japanese islands and **** masses of untrained and hopeless civilian insurgents. I've never heard anybody claim or suggest that our military efforts from August on wouldn't have won the war. But there'd have been a lot more dead Japs and Yanks.

I'm just in a mood LaLi. Sorry. You know more about this than I do. :glugglug:
 
very interesting thanks for sharing
 
it seems as tho a president should need to at least get halfway through his first term before getting onto the list...preferably finish the first term
 
It's too soon to even think about placing Obama.
Good men on the whole don't make good leaders , there are exceptions but it's a good rule of thumb.
As for Truman and the bomb, at the time the US was preparing an invasion of the Japanese mainland and projected casualties were horrendous.On both sides too though Japanese ones weren't considered that important at the time.Of course he had to try to end the war with the bombs.Even after they had dropped and the Emperor had decided for peace there was very nearly a palace coup by the Army faction which wished to continue fighting.The Japanese mind set was so different from the Western one that normal logic just didn't apply.
 

maildude

Postal Paranoiac
My *** thinks Truman was justified in dropping the bomb on them (twice), because the Kamakazes kept suicide bombing. I don't agree with that view at all. I think they could've dropped those bombs off the coast a ways out just to send a message. On the bright side, Japan is one of our best allies now and a great nation. A testament to the fact that we Westerners wrote their Consitution perhaps? :D

Truman:

--Took over for a popular president during a major war
--Had to make the painful atomic bomb decision
--Had to come to terms with a poor working economy and labor unions
--Had to SIGN the letter recognizing Israel as a country
--Had to address the civil right issue WAY before LBJ's grandstanding
--Had to decide America's response in the Korean conflict
--Reluctantly dismissed one of the country's most popular generals
--Had to usher in America to the beginning of the Cold War
...and the big one, --Had to endure countless horrible reviews of his ********'s singing talent
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my ******'s Basement
Wo0t Nixon.
 
Too many variables and criteria to determine the best president. But I hear LBJ had a big cock.




See if he had been filmed wagging it around in the Oval Office screaming at the camera that "Big penis Strong!!!" and had that shown to North Vietnam for all to see, the Vietnam war would've been over in days.:D
 
Just took a look at the whole list and I have very few surprises. Not really surprised about Johnson though. Most people still **** him to this day. They only put him on the ticket with Lincoln to keep the South from leaving the Union. In hindsight, that was a Brilliant move.:rolleyes:
 
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