After watching MacGyver I've got a question about guns in the US

[Mr. Daystar]

ANY gun law, other then, not being allowed to own a gun if you've committed a felony, or have been adjudicated mentally ill, clearly usurp the Constitution, and serve no purpose other then to disarm a lawful populace, and render them unable to defend themselves in any and all situations. Whats fucked up, is that people don't seem to understand that, laws only affect the law abiding, and if a person wants to do violence to another human being, it'll get done, with, or without a firearm. That's what violent people do....shot or stabbed, or beaten with a bat....dead is dead.

And please spare me the, "if there were no guns" argument...criminals steal them from law enforcement and military all of the time...or buy them from corrupt members of the a fore mentioned.

 

[D-rock]

In all honesty, this is very different from state to state. In Indiana, for example, you can walk into a gun shop and purchase any kind of gun, including a handgun, and walk out with it. Getting a license to carry a concealed weapon takes a drivers license, and about a week to wait for it to be mailed to you.

Yes, that's right. Nearly anyone in Indiana can legally carry a loaded sidearm.

I know this is not true of all states, some have very strict carry laws, and mandatory waiting periods for various types of weapons.

Ironically Indiana Also probably has the most strict laws in the nation for people transporting firearms that aren't licensed to have them in that state. As far as I know you could be moving to another house in another state, have all your possessions boxed up with the legally owned guns encased inside their own locked containers inside those boxes, have all those boxes inside a moving trailer you are towing, have that trailer locked up itself, and have no remotely quick access to them whatsoever while you are merely traveling across the state for a few hours on your move, and it would still be illegal to do in the state in the most technical sense of the law.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Three day wait here in Vegas. But after you've been issued your blue card for passing the background check every subsequent purchase is instantaneous. Yay.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Maybe you wait for the pistol rather than the rifle on the basis that the pistol is concealable? :dunno:

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Nope. You would still have to get a concealed weapons permit through the sheriff's office. The waiting period is intended to keep some people from committing a crime of passion by cooling them off for a few days before they get their hands on a gun and do something stupid.

 

[Kingfisher]

That's complete bullshit. You're issued a handgun when you enter America. It keeps you safe, you see? This is everyone's first breakfast in the USA:

I want to have breakfast with you!


As for Ravenholm's question. California is messed up. 10 day waiting period for Handguns and Long guns. Plus you have to have a "handgun license" which is nothing more than a stupid lawyer designed questioner with several questions that are meant to trip you up and make you fail.

In comparison, every state surrounding California have much more liberal gun laws that have federal background checks, that can be completed in an hour or under.
California calls it a background check, but in reality it's a "cooldown" period that they put in place after some people bought guns then killed their ex-wives or whatever.
The truth of the matter is, most people buying guns, already have a gun, so that's not going to stop anyone from committing a crime.

A certain ex-football player used a knife, not a gun. If a person wants to commit murder, there any numerous ways to go about it and there is less than a dozen actual murders committed across the US by handguns on a daily basis. But the shithead Brady asswipes would have you thinking differently.

Truth is, most people buy handguns for self/home protection. They buy them, they fire less than 30 rounds through the gun... ever... and put the gun into a drawer, practically never touching it again. Education about firearms and training is paramount. The uneducated morons are the ones that end up shooting themselves while they think they are cleaning it and blame the gun or the gun maker.

 

[bobjustbob]

As said before, the regulation of guns sits within each state. 50 states all with their own sets of laws for licensing, carrying, transportation, and reciprocating states. It is so complicated that you need a Masters in Gun Administration to understand it all. Even within each state the laws are complicated. For example, in New York State the holder of a Delaware County pistol license (unrestricted carry) can carry his concealed handgun into a restaurant in Suffolk County, while his Suffolk County friend cannot.

The federal government has very little restrictions other than people with felonies, drug users, and the mentally unstable.

 

[Krazy4Kobe]

Harley Spencer[/URL][/B], post: 6504009, member: 579739"]I'm thinking it might have something to do with the size and usage.

Wait...am I on the wrong thread again?!?

 

[bahodeme]

There was some good information given here. One thing that helped me was a book called Traveler's Guide to Firearm Laws of the Fifty States. I think if gun owners had this book, a lot of the issues we hear about people going to different areas and having problems could be avoided. Like the example D-rock gave. You rent a moving van and get pulled over for speeding. You give consent because you have nothing illegal and then surprise, there is an issue with your legally owned firearms.

 

[larss]

The police can't be everywhere, so I would rather be armed than robbed and dead. Policemen can also be corrupt, so shooting inself defense is justified.

"Excuse me, Mr Mugger. Please wait until I get out my gun to protect myself with"
"Oh, you appear to have shot me. I'm sure that was just accidental while you were waiting for me to get my weapon"
"Ah, I see you are now relieving me of my money, my gun and now your are leaving me in a pool of my own blood and faeces to die"

OR

"I am raising my hands. My wallet is in my back pocket"
"Hello, is that the police? I have just been robbed. No, I'm not hurt, except for my pride"
"Hello credit card company. I have just been robbed, please stop all of my cards"
"Hello phone company. I have had my phone stolen. Please disable it"
"Hello insurance company, I have just been robbed. What was stolen, a phone and £50 in cash. How long do I need to wait for my new phone?"

It may be a fucking pain to be robbed, but at least you live to tell the tail.

Of course in the first example, you may not get shot, and get your own shot off instead. That, of course, will have a whole lot more repercussions as shooting and/or killing someone tends to.

 

[lurkingdirk]

"Excuse me, Mr Mugger. Please wait until I get out my gun to protect myself with"
"Oh, you appear to have shot me. I'm sure that was just accidental while you were waiting for me to get my weapon"
"Ah, I see you are now relieving me of my money, my gun and now your are leaving me in a pool of my own blood and faeces to die"

OR

"I am raising my hands. My wallet is in my back pocket"
"Hello, is that the police? I have just been robbed. No, I'm not hurt, except for my pride"
"Hello credit card company. I have just been robbed, please stop all of my cards"
"Hello phone company. I have had my phone stolen. Please disable it"
"Hello insurance company, I have just been robbed. What was stolen, a phone and £50 in cash. How long do I need to wait for my new phone?"

It may be a fucking pain to be robbed, but at least you live to tell the tail.

Of course in the first example, you may not get shot, and get your own shot off instead. That, of course, will have a whole lot more repercussions as shooting and/or killing someone tends to.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[Harley Spencer]

"Excuse me, Mr Mugger. Please wait until I get out my gun to protect myself with"
"Oh, you appear to have shot me. I'm sure that was just accidental while you were waiting for me to get my weapon"
"Ah, I see you are now relieving me of my money, my gun and now your are leaving me in a pool of my own blood and faeces to die"

OR

"I am raising my hands. My wallet is in my back pocket"
"Hello, is that the police? I have just been robbed. No, I'm not hurt, except for my pride"
"Hello credit card company. I have just been robbed, please stop all of my cards"
"Hello phone company. I have had my phone stolen. Please disable it"
"Hello insurance company, I have just been robbed. What was stolen, a phone and £50 in cash. How long do I need to wait for my new phone?"

It may be a fucking pain to be robbed, but at least you live to tell the tail.

Of course in the first example, you may not get shot, and get your own shot off instead. That, of course, will have a whole lot more repercussions as shooting and/or killing someone tends to.

Yes! I love it.

 

[Ulysses31]

Whoever allowed T.J. Lane to get hold of a gun really fucked up

 

[Mr. Daystar]

"Excuse me, Mr Mugger. Please wait until I get out my gun to protect myself with"
"Oh, you appear to have shot me. I'm sure that was just accidental while you were waiting for me to get my weapon"
"Ah, I see you are now relieving me of my money, my gun and now your are leaving me in a pool of my own blood and faeces to die"

OR

"I am raising my hands. My wallet is in my back pocket"
"Hello, is that the police? I have just been robbed. No, I'm not hurt, except for my pride"
"Hello credit card company. I have just been robbed, please stop all of my cards"
"Hello phone company. I have had my phone stolen. Please disable it"
"Hello insurance company, I have just been robbed. What was stolen, a phone and £50 in cash. How long do I need to wait for my new phone?"

It may be a fucking pain to be robbed, but at least you live to tell the tail.

Of course in the first example, you may not get shot, and get your own shot off instead. That, of course, will have a whole lot more repercussions as shooting and/or killing someone tends to.

Fucking seriously?!?! I would rather die on my feet, then live on my knees....if that means I'm out drawn, then I loose, but I'll die trying.

But I have serious doubts I will, because I practice, regularly, and consistently....and that's key to successfully handling ANY situation of this nature.

 

[Ace Bandage]

Fucking seriously?!?! I would rather die on my feet, then live on my knees....if that means I'm out drawn, then I loose, but I'll die trying.

But I have serious doubts I will, because I practice, regularly, and consistently....and that's key to successfully handling ANY situation of this nature.

Good idea, you try to pull your weapon on someone who already has their weapon drawn and is in close enough proximity to shoot you point blank when you attempt to draw your weapon. Let me know how that works for you.... posthumously of course. You won't be around to tell me in person.

Unless you walk around with gun drawn, a mugger is going to take you by surprise. How you handle yourself in that situation will determine whether or not you live to see another day. If you think your iPhone and a few dollars in cash are worth risking a bullet to the face over, then I encourage you to try pulling your weapon in that situation. Your death will be a blessing to mankind. Stupidity is not something we should be passing along to future generations.

 

[Ravenholm]

Thanks for the info folks. It's much appreciated so it is.

Cheers.

I now know that I can walk into a cafe in America with a shotgun over each shoulder and say to everyone staring at me: "I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass!. And I'm all out of bubblegum."

Joking of course. I don't even live in the US. I live in Scotland. The best chance I've got of getting hold of a weapon is a fucking air rifle that fires lead pellets. How fucking pathetic IS THAT. I aint gonna start a fight against an American carrying a UZI 9mm under his jacket and a couple of glocks and maybe a shotgun and all I have to fight against him with is a fucking air rifle. I think it would be time to quote Kent Paul from GTA: San Andreas "Run like fuck!" if that showdown happened. Joking aside though maybe it's a good thing that we've got gun restrictions like we have here.

 

[Death-Proof-69]

^ well, legal or not it would still make most people in most towns pretty nervous to see someone walking around with a gun in the open as it is very uncommon...funny how something that is visible bothers people more than what they can't see

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Good idea, you try to pull your weapon on someone who already has their weapon drawn and is in close enough proximity to shoot you point blank when you attempt to draw your weapon. Let me know how that works for you.... posthumously of course. You won't be around to tell me in person.

Unless you walk around with gun drawn, a mugger is going to take you by surprise. How you handle yourself in that situation will determine whether or not you live to see another day. If you think your iPhone and a few dollars in cash are worth risking a bullet to the face over, then I encourage you to try pulling your weapon in that situation. Your death will be a blessing to mankind. Stupidity is not something we should be passing along to future generations.

Three things....

#1) Practice, practice, practice! Constant training, and drills at the range, hone your skills.

#2) Most petty little punk ass criminals, are far to twitchy and unfocused to pay THAT close of attention, EVERY second of the crime...although it is very true that you have to pick your moment. It may not ever come, but it might.

#3) Do you REALLY BELIEVE that if I was killed, and given the ability to come back to this earthly realm, I would come to see YOU!?!? I would be front row center at ever concert I ever wanted to go to...and spending lots of free time scoping out plenty of the ladies at my leisure.

 

[Facetious]

In one particular episode of the boxset I have he was in a store and one guy was trying to buy a handgun from the guy behind the counter. The guy behind the counter said he could have the handgun but the man would have to way 7 days for a police permit. Now it might have been extended from 7 days in the 80s to what ever it is now I don't know. BUT the gunstore clerk said to the man that he could have, if he didn't want to wait that long, a semi-auto rifle in a cash and carry sale right there and then. And I saw him being offered a rifle that looked like an M16 type of weapon.

I was thinking to myself "What in the fucking fuck?!?!. He can't get a normal handgun for 7 days due to having to wait for a permit, but he can walk away right there and then with a fucking assault rifle. THAT'S FUCKED UP!."

That defies all logic. If anything both weapons should need a permit. Or the biggest of the two which is the rifle it should need a permit. Not this cash and carry nonsense.

Is this true in all states or should I say... was this true in all states once upon a time.

The law states that you must be at least 21 years of age and not have any felony convictions on your record in order to legally purchase a firearm in the states. I haven't seen a episode of Macgyver in 25 + years, you mean you're watching reruns on boxset?!!! :1orglaugh ... just heckling you :tongue:

Also, the term "assault rifle" gives me the impression that a rifle all by itself could pick itself up, chamber a round and point itself at a human target and fire killing its victim... I've yet to see such a thing! :1orglaugh
It's all anti gun hysteria.

Remember, outlaws will always have guns... you know the rest of the story...

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

In one particular episode of the boxset I have he was in a store and one guy was trying to buy a handgun from the guy behind the counter. The guy behind the counter said he could have the handgun but the man would have to way 7 days for a police permit. Now it might have been extended from 7 days in the 80s to what ever it is now I don't know. BUT the gunstore clerk said to the man that he could have, if he didn't want to wait that long, a semi-auto rifle in a cash and carry sale right there and then. And I saw him being offered a rifle that looked like an M16 type of weapon.

I was thinking to myself "What in the fucking fuck?!?!. He can't get a normal handgun for 7 days due to having to wait for a permit, but he can walk away right there and then with a fucking assault rifle. THAT'S FUCKED UP!."

That defies all logic. If anything both weapons should need a permit. Or the biggest of the two which is the rifle it should need a permit. Not this cash and carry nonsense.

Is this true in all states or should I say... was this true in all states once upon a time.

Just because it looked like it was an M16 doesn't mean it was. Assault rifle sales have been regulated by the U.S. government since 1934. It could have been a variant AR-15 which doesn't have selectable fire.

Even then, this was a TV show that had a strong anti-gun theme.