*2016 US Presidential Elections* - Candidates, Statistics, Campaign Timelines, Debates

meesterperfect

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I know I come off like I'm leturing sometimes, so one more thing won't hurt.
With Trump as PREZ he will get oppostion from the Congress and Senate. The whole checks and balances thing all the way.
He won't be able to do whatever he wants like we've seen for the past 30 or so years. And that's how it should be for the
People.
With her, she'll have no opposition. The worlds biggest blank check.
She as her husband, BushII and Barry Sotero before her is the one chosen by the real owners of the world. Those folks who meet at the Bilderberg meeting and the ones who control the money supply.
With them behind her no Congress or Senate member will dare oppose her.
It's called a Monarchy. They know what happens to people who oppose Clintons. A ruined career is the best of the posibilities.

Now back to our show.
 
Even the fact that her personal aid Uma...has family in the Muslim Brotherhood.

There is no evidence to support this claim at all.
Mr. P don't lower yourself to the level of Michelle Bachmann. You have too much native intelligence for that. She was one of a handful of morons who floated this specious smear, only to be shot down hard by (among others) John McCain, who knows Uma personally, and has for many years.

Look at Libya. the invasion which she headed as Secretary of War..

She didn't head the intervention, NATO did.

The man says... he wants to be friends with Russia and China

Good luck with that :) The bromance with Putin will last only so long as Putin continues to flatter rather than challenge him. I foresee a very stormy ending to that love affair. And all along he's been rattling a very loud sword when it comes to touchy issues regarding China.

And clintons know that the majority of Sanders voters hate her and will go with Trump over her.

No the majority don't, and no the majority won't. Oh sure some are royally pissed off at the moment, just as a good sized segment of Hillary supporters were when Obama got the nomination over Clinton. But by election time most of them had come around. They understood the bottom line was defeating McCain/Palin, and I expect that unless Clinton makes some colossal blunder in regards to Sander's supporters they'll reach that same understanding regarding Trump.

Take California for example. Many polls had Sanders doubling her in voter support. Pretty much all had him ahead of her by far.
Like many other states he was winning all day then boom! At the end she miraculously wins. Wow. The come from behind kid.


Not accurate. 3 polls did show him narrowly ahead of her. Another nailed it almost exactly on the money by predicting she'd win by a 13% margin.
Many think the lower than expected voter turnout among millennials worked against him.
And no, he never lead at any time in the results. From the very first returns in the late morning she had a daylight lead.
 
Starting to think Trump may not make it through the convention.
 

Supafly

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Starting to think Trump may not make it through the convention.

I was unsure for some time, now I am sure again:

Trump is not in this to actually run for the presidency. His behaviour is so over the top, he HAS to know that this will eventually make the GOP make the decision against him - or he will drop out somehow else.

Paul Ryan will let himself be "reluctantly, but for the good of the country and the party" be made candidate and run against Hillary.
 
I was unsure for some time, now I am sure again:

Trump is not in this to actually run for the presidency. His behaviour is so over the top, he HAS to know that this will eventually make the GOP make the decision against him - or he will drop out somehow else.

Paul Ryan will let himself be "reluctantly, but for the good of the country and the party" be made candidate and run against Hillary.

Here is a good essay on that topic.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/06/12/trump_is_looking_for_a_way_out_130849.html
 


U.S. officials say American Muslims do report extremist threats


Muslim-Americans have repeatedly informed authorities of fellow Muslims they fear might be turning to extremism, law enforcement officials say, contrary to a claim by presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump this week.

"They don't report them," Trump said in a CNN interview on Monday, in the wake of the mass shooting at an Orlando nightclub of 49 people by an American Muslim who claimed allegiance to Islamic State. "For some reason, the Muslim community does not report people like this."

But FBI director James Comey said, "They do not want people committing violence, either in their community or in the name of their faith, and so some of our most productive relationships are with people who see things and tell us things who happen to be Muslim".

“It’s at the heart of the FBI’s effectiveness to have good relationships with these folks,” Comey said at a press conference following the Orlando shootings.

Andrew Ames, a spokesman for the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Washington field office, told Reuters on Wednesday that the agency has a “robust” relationship with the local Muslim community. FBI agents operating in the area have received reports about suspicious activity and other issues from community members.

Michael Downing, deputy chief of the Los Angeles Police Department and head of its Counterterrorism and Special Operations Bureau, said the city's Muslim community has been cooperative in reporting "red flags."

“I personally have been called by community members about several things, very significant things,” Downing told Reuters. “What we say to communities is that we don’t want you to profile humans, we want you to profile behavior.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-cooperation-idUSKCN0Z213U
 
Trump is the only solution to this fucked up country at this point.


The Supreme Court Justices appointed within the next 4-8 years (possibly as many as 4, for sure 2 to 3) are more critical to this nation than at any other point in its history. If we don't get Trump (for that issue ALONE), America is finished.
 
And if Hillary wins - if it appears that Trump, through all of this, was a plant - then I will have lost every bit of the little faith I have left in this country.


I will know for sure at that point that we have all along been being controlled by NWO Bilderberg Illuminati overlords...
 
Just one question : What would be worse ?
- Trump is plant, Hillary wins
- Trump is real, Hillary still wins
 

Supafly

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Bronze Member
Just one question : What would be worse ?
- Trump is plant, Hillary wins
- Trump is real, Hillary still wins

Well, Hillary is a creature of her sponsors - but at least Democrats are not as bad as the Republicans, who are, in my view, totally gone.

But the two congresses have not taken place yet, o who kniows what will happen there and beyond
 
Wall Street cash or Elizabeth Warren: Hillary's choice



Wall Street has an unambiguous message for Hillary Clinton: Don't pick Elizabeth Warren as your vice president if you want to keep getting our money.

That warning came through very clearly in over a dozen interviews I did over the last week with some of the largest Democratic donors on Wall Street who have helped fund Clinton's campaigns over the years as well as funneled cash to Bill Clinton's political career in the 1990s.

"If Clinton picked Warren, her whole base on Wall Street would leave her," one top Democratic donor who has helped raise millions for Clinton told me. "They would literally just say, 'We have no qualms with you moving left, we understand all the things you've had to do because of Bernie Sanders, but if you are going there with Warren, we just can't trust you, you've killed it.'"

The arguments of course are mostly self-serving. The financial services industry loathes Warren, who more than anyone in the last 80 years has channeled the rage against Wall Street that began with the Great Depression and continues to course through the nation following the 2008 financial crisis. Warren wants to break up the nation's largest banks. She created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. The mere mention of her name draws groans from bankers.

But there is at least a bit of substance to their arguments. Bankers believe Clinton, should she win, will have an opportunity to make deals with Republicans in Congress to pass major infrastructure spending coupled with international tax reform during her first months in office. And they think Warren in the VP's office would make cutting any such deals harder.

"Clinton is going to face a divided government unless there is a total tsunami," said one moderate Washington Democrat with close ties to the banking industry. "What you want in a vice president is someone who can negotiate for you on the Hill, someone like Joe Biden. And that is not a Warren strength."

The bankers I spoke with also said they thought there was no chance Clinton would tap Warren. The arguments: The two don't really get along; Clinton would never pick a number two who could outshine her; Clinton doesn't want a VP who would create her own power center in both the campaign and the White House.

"First of all, they don't particularly like each other," said one prominent hedge fund manager who has raised millions for Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton before her. But, the manager added, "The absolute predicate for a vice presidential nominee is they have to understand they are No. 2 both during the campaign and once you take office, and I just don't think Elizabeth Warren is that type of person."

The financial considerations for Clinton are significant. Picking Warren could seriously deflate a major source of her campaign cash. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Clinton and outside groups supporting her have raised $289 million so far in the 2016 campaign. The securities and investment industry is easily Clinton's top source of money, donating over $28 million so far.

But proponents of Warren said a bunch of Wall Street bankers whining would actually boost the Massachusetts senator's chances of getting the VP slot. "Great piece," one prominent progressive emailed on Monday. "I'm sure we'll be circulating some of the golden quotes from Wall Street!"

This progressive also noted that a Warren selection could lead to a massive outpouring of small dollar, grassroots donations to the campaign that could more than recoup money lost from Wall Street. In addition, rich liberals who like Warren would be more likely to cut big checks to the DNC and outside groups backing the presumptive Democratic nominee.

One Democrat close to the Clinton campaign said the Wall Street donor story was great for Warren's chances: "I can't think of a dumber strategy to derail Warren than a bunch of Wall Street execs saying she's unacceptable," this Democrat said. "Literally. Like that story couldn't be better for her if she planted it."

Still, a Warren pick remains unlikely. Clinton has a lead over Donald Trump at the moment. The presumptive GOP nominee's campaign is a mess. Trump has no ads on the air at the moment while Clinton's campaign and outside groups are spending tens of millions in swing states. Trump is feuding with the NRA over his comments about how Orlando club goers could have stopped the mass shooting last week if they had been armed. And the Manhattan real estate mogul began the week by firing his campaign manager.

So the last thing a temperamentally cautious Clinton needs or wants to do is go bold and risky with her VP pick. Warren would clearly fire up the liberal base. But she would present a risk on the money front and could turn off moderate Democrats and anti-Trump Republicans.

So the veepstakes betting line still favors a quiet, consensus choice for the number two slot. At the moment, the leading candidate remains Tim Kaine, a popular Virginia senator who speaks fluent Spanish, comes from a swing state, sits on the Armed Services Committee and passes the "I could see this person as president" test.

Warren would be more of a Hail Mary choice for a campaign running from behind. The Clinton campaign is very far from that.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/20/wall-street-cash-or-elizabeth-warren-hillarys-choice.html

If Hillary wants to rally to her as much Bernie supporters as she can, she needs to pick Warren for VP. She often says that, despite big donations from Wall Street, she doesn't take order from them, this is her chance to prove it. This is her chance to prove that she does stands for voters, not for bankers. Picking an establishment VP would have the very opposite effect : it would alienate most Bernie voters (even push some of them towards Trump) and paint her as someone who care more for JP Morgan than for the real people, the middle class, those wo are on minimum wage, the youth, etc. Particulary now that Wall Street dordered her not to pick Warren, it would make her look like she does take orders from them...
 
If Hillary wants to rally to her as much Bernie supporters as she can, she needs to pick Warren for VP.

Don't think she's got that luxury. As it is she's a weak candidate, and no doubt a whole lot of moderates, undecideds, or those slightly leaning her way at present would be put off by a two woman ticket.

Trump Inner Circle ‘Frustrated’ He Didn’t Get Polling Bump From Terror Attack
http://www.mediaite.com/online/bloom...terror-attack/


Their touching humanity is duly noted :facepalm:
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
Just one question : What would be worse ?
- Trump is plant, Hillary wins
- Trump is real, Hillary still wins

The only way that she could win is if they pull an RFK on Trump or if they completely rig it like they did with her and Sanders.
But further proving my point that the Republican and Democrat partys are one in the same with the same real owners the republican leaders are and have been saying that just because Trump won the primary by a huge margin he is not gauranteed the nomination. "It doesn't work like that".

In other words the hell what you peasants want. For the people, by the people is a myth. We do what our owners want. Work, pay us half your income, give us you children to send off to foriegn countries to get killed and maimed and shut the fuck up......or else.

Greatest country in the world.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
Trump vs Clinton, wow. Trump isn't discernible from the last two republican presidential candidates, both moderate milquetoast, but neither is Clinton. Nor Obama. How in the hell did we get Clinton and Trump, both from the political milky middle when both parties are screaming for ideologues, Cruz vs Sanders is what they say they want, then they vote for Clinton and Trump in the primaries. How the hell did this happen?
 

Supafly

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Bronze Member
I watch Morning Joe more lately. And yesterday, I watched THIS segment. And I think this angle of Trump letting himself buy out makes his whole campaign bullshit perfect. Makes total sense, IMHO


He is just driving the prize up right now, I guess. Throw him a billion and he is gone.
 
Good news today - Hillary has to be wondering were the wind is blowing with the Brexit victory for those of us clear-minded enough to see Trump as the only solution. It's possibly an indication of how America will tilt when November comes around...

Just one question : What would be worse ?
- Trump is plant, Hillary wins
- Trump is real, Hillary still wins

Since I'm a conspiracy theoritst and really do believe it's all an illusion (our vote counting at all, that is) and the Illuminati get who they want every time, I guess It doesn't matter.



However, I'd choose the latter - at least I would know the NWO goons weren't pulling the strings (entirely)...



Maybe, after all these years, dreaming of a Buchanan, or a Tom Tancredo, or a Dr. Paul (all of whom were vilified by the MSM puppets/leftist loonies) Trump will some how win. .


It will make for golden moments when the White House welcomes our national team champs (NBA, NFL, etc....) to the White House. How many of them will scream bloody murder "racist" and "boycott" if we get Trump in there? :D
 

Mayhem

Banned
Republican ex-Treasury chief Paulson slams Trump, to vote for Clinton

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-paulson-idUSKCN0ZB00R

Henry Paulson, a Republican who was U.S. Treasury secretary during the 2008 financial meltdown, on Friday called a Donald Trump presidency "unthinkable" and said he will vote for Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Paulson joins a growing list of establishment Republicans who say they will not cast a ballot in the Nov. 8 election for Trump, the party's presumptive nominee and a political neophyte whose populist rhetoric runs counter to many long-held Republican principles.

"When it comes to the presidency, I will not vote for Donald Trump," Paulson, who was chief executive of Goldman Sachs before becoming Treasury chief under Republican President George W. Bush, wrote in an opinion piece in the Washington Post.

"I'll be voting for Hillary Clinton, with the hope that she can bring Americans together to do the things necessary to strengthen our economy, our environment and our place in the world," he said.

Paulson accused Trump, who has touted his business acumen as a real estate developer during his campaign, of taking "imprudent risk" and then disavowing his debts when ventures fail.

He also took aim at Trump's opposition to trade agreements, which Paulson said have created U.S. jobs and fostered innovation and competitiveness.

"Simply put, a Trump presidency is unthinkable," Paulson said.

The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Brent Scowcroft, a national security adviser to two Republican presidents, endorsed Clinton on Wednesday, and Richard Armitage, a deputy secretary of state under George W. Bush, said last week he would support her.

Paulson, who helped steer a $700 billion bailout of the financial system through Congress during the financial meltdown, said Trump is a "phony" who is unfit to be president.

"I can't help but think what would have happened if a divisive character such as Trump were president during the 2008 financial crisis, at a time when leadership, compromise and careful analysis were critical," he said.
 
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