PlasmaTwa2
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Well, at least the Jays are winning...
2008 MLB Thread
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My MVP prediction is now that Carlos Quinton has gone down,more than likely for the season,they are going to give the AL MVP to Dustin Pedroia,especially if the Red Sox end up winning the division.While Pedroia has had an awesome season,I just feel like Quinton has been an MVP pretty much the entire season and deserves it.
This is one of the reasons that MLB pisses me off.They are so east coast biased that it's fucking ridiculous.Earlier in the season they were pumping up Evan Longoria so much that he had all of the ESPN guys swinging off of his nutsack,same goes for Joba,and I'm fucking sick of hearing about Joba!
Of course I'm a little bias as well but Alexei Ramirez should be the AL rookie of the year and Quinton should get the MVP,but mark my words,it ain't gonna happen that way.
This is one of the reasons that MLB pisses me off.They are so east coast biased that it's fucking ridiculous.Earlier in the season they were pumping up Evan Longoria so much that he had all of the ESPN guys swinging off of his nutsack,same goes for Joba,and I'm fucking sick of hearing about Joba!
Of course I'm a little bias as well but Alexei Ramirez should be the AL rookie of the year and Quinton should get the MVP,but mark my words,it ain't gonna happen that way.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Carlos Quentin deserves to be the MVP, even if he does miss the rest of the season. MLB usually has weird points of view when it comes to "missing time", so it's going to screw him over. If he would've missed the FIRST 3 weeks instead of the last 3 weeks, they would look at that as some sort of "comeback"...even though 3 weeks is still 3 weeks, beginning or end of season.
As for Alexei...yeah, he deserves to be Rookie of the Year. No one has done more for his team, as a rookie, than he has...NO ONE. Plus, his stats are phenomenal and, for the most part, better than all other rookies...AND he didn't even play the whole season!
Longoria should get AL ROY because up until he got hurt he had done the most for his team. More then any other rookie. His stats are better across the board except for the average.
Besides somebody (Senob I think) said Alexei was allready a vetren to the Cuban league and voters will take this into consideration.
As for AL MVP I think its going to be A-Rod or MCab since Carlos is done for the season. Oops cant forget about Youkilis...I think he has done more then Pedroia has.
NL Roy of the year is going to be Soto. NL MVP there are a handful of players who could actually get the award. I think if Manny carries the Dodgers into the playoff's he will have a shot. I also think if CC dosent win the Cy young he could win the NL MVP.
Last but not least....how about those DODGERS!!!!!! Taken over first place!!!!!! :nanner::nanner::spin::jump::crowdgrin
Besides somebody (Senob I think) said Alexei was allready a vetren to the Cuban league and voters will take this into consideration.
As for AL MVP I think its going to be A-Rod or MCab since Carlos is done for the season. Oops cant forget about Youkilis...I think he has done more then Pedroia has.
NL Roy of the year is going to be Soto. NL MVP there are a handful of players who could actually get the award. I think if Manny carries the Dodgers into the playoff's he will have a shot. I also think if CC dosent win the Cy young he could win the NL MVP.
Last but not least....how about those DODGERS!!!!!! Taken over first place!!!!!! :nanner::nanner::spin::jump::crowdgrin
Not quite sure on what stats you are looking at to think that ARod deserves to be MVP.:dunno:I can name about 4 guys that are more deserving than he is.
As for ROY,what has Longoria done since coming back from his injury to earn ROY over Alexei Ramirez?Nothing,that's what,and how has Youkilis done more than Pedroia,a guy that leads the league in hitting?Who the hell is MCab?
Sorry,but it looks like ESPN's east coast bias has influenced who you think should win those awards.
His name is Carlos Quentin.
His name is Carlos Quentin.
As for him deserving the MVP award, I definitely think he's one of the top contenders, but Pedroia has to be the front-runner. He's hitting over .400 since the beginning of July and has been by far the hottest hitter in baseball. He's carried the Red Sox on his back while Ortiz, Lowell, and Drew were on the DL and Manny was traded to the Dodgers. Plus, Pedroia leads the AL in batting average and runs scored. Youkilis hasn't been nearly as hot as Pedroia, and hasn't carried the slack the same way. Quentin has had a great season, and he's hit many late-inning clutch HRs, but he's hitting .288 and hasn't had to carry the load quite the same way as Pedroia; Dye, Thome, Pierzynski, and Ramirez have all contributed as well.
As for a pitcher winning MVP, I just don't think that should happen. The Cy Young should be for pitchers and the MVP for hitters. I know it's not defined that way, but pitchers don't play everyday and don't have the kind of impact a position player does. Also, I don't think Cliff Lee should win the Cy Young award either; as long as K-Rod breaks Thigpen's record he should win the Cy Young. We've seen relievers win it in the past, so why shouldn't the guy who had the greatest season for a relief pitcher not win it(greatest in terms of volume, not efficiency, we all know Gagne holds that record and will for a long time).
As for ROY, I love Alexei Ramirez and what he brings to the table, and I would give it to him because of his high batting average, but you have to look at the rest of the stats. Longoria has 6 more HRs, 7 more RBI, and 2 more runs scored in 24 fewer at-bats. Not to mention the incredible defence he's played all year long(Ramirez is no slouch defensively either, but the hot corner is a much more challenging position).
zell, try to get his name right next time. Honestly, you call yourself a White Sox fan and you don't even know your superstar's name. Shameful.
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I suppose your bias is distorting your view for AL ROY. Have you ever watched Evan Longoria play? First of all, he has not played the entire season either. He has had a ton of clutch and game winning hits all season. This is not why he should win ROY of the year though. If you want to evaluate a player strictly on their offensive stats you are only looking at half of the picture. Evan is a gold glove 3rd baseman who makes at least one incredible play a night. It is not just his game winning hits, it is his game winning defense that should make him ROY.
As for A-Rod being MVP: He is fourth in Runs Scored, tied for second in Homeruns, has 91 RBI right now (I think he will have a great finish and push 115), has 17 steals, with a .311 average and .401 onbase %. He is also second in the league in OPS behind milton bradley who has almost 100 less at bats then him. They are both tied in Xtra base hits, and A-Rod has only grounded into one more double play then pedroia.
Pedroia or Youkilis may win because he is on a winning team that is actually going to the playoffs. Not to mention the fact A-Rod hasnt been hitting well with runners in scoring position. But before you say A-Rod DOSENT deserve, he is a lot more deserving then you think.
Now onto ROY of the year.
You can check out the stats for yourself. At first I liked Alexei because Longoria got hurt, but after checking the stats Longoria has still done more. Besides look at the impact each has had on there team to the open eye. Tampa in first after having the worst record in baseball last year. And while Chicago didnt have a much better season Quinton has certainly been the biggest contributer to them this season.
Plus like someone allready said voters will take into acocunt that Alexei has been in Pro ball in Cuba for a few years.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Done more according to the statistics on paper or done more as in actually helped his team get better and win more games?
Alexei Ramirez didn't even have a solidified starting role until shortly before the all-star break and his numbers are still better than Longoria's. As far as his overall contribution to his team, Alexei Ramirez has made huge plays (hits, stolen bases, catches, throws, etc) on a consistent basis for the White Sox, helping them to win a lot of games. I have to say, Longoria is having a good year, but Ramirez deserves the Rookie of the Year in the AL.
They shouldn't. If they do, then they don't deserve to have a "say" in who gets awarded for their performance. Playing in Cuba is exactly like playing in the ***** leagues and the "official voters" don't penalize players who have been in AAA for a number of years before they make their MLB debut.
How can you say Alexei has been more consistent then Longoria?
First: Alexei has made 1 more error the Longoria, and Longoria plays a position that is way harder to defend then second base.
Second: Alexie has 17 more hits then Longoria but he also has 28 more at bats then Longoria
Thrid: Despite the difference in at-bats, Longoria still has 6 more homeruns then Alexei aswell as 7 more RBI. Not to mention 2 more runs scored.
Fourth: Longoria has 7 stolen bases, while Alexei has 10. BUT, Alexei has been caught 8 times, wanna take a guess at how many times Longoria has been caught? 0
Fifth: Longoria has a Slugging % by about 50 points higher , and an OPS % by almost 100 points higher.
Now lets look at some other stats, Longoria has more total bases, more Xtra base hits, and more sac flys then Alexei.
Now how can you say Alexei deserves it more then Longoria?
Dont forget Longoria wasnt on the opening day roster either.
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Again,as for ARod,I'm personally of the opinion that unless you have a ridiculously monstrous year,you should not get the MVP if your team doesn't make the playoffs,that's just my opinion,and ARod doesn't fit the bill.He has really good numbers,but his team ain't gonna make it so he don't deserve it,plain and simple.
Don't get me wrong,Longoria is having a great rookie year and he's gonna be an awesome player for years to come,but I just feel like Alexei has meant more to his team than Evan has,especially when the Sox's big hitters weren't playing that well.And yes,I have seen Longoria play,not on a consistent basis,but I've seen him.
Oh,and excuuuuse me for misspelling Quentin.
Happy now farva?
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Stats, stats, stats. Stats do not, ever, tell the whole story. Barry Bonds has hit more HR's than anyone else in MLB history, but that doesn't mean he is the greatest homerun hitter of all-time.
If you look at purely the statistics...Carlos Zambrano (a PITCHER) has more HR's and a higher BA than Victor Martinez (an all-star caliber catcher who is a career ".300" hitter), so in that case, from the statistics, Carlos Zambrano is a superior hitter compared to Victor Martinez...which is not the case.
Hell, Paul Konerko is having the worst year of his life and he still gets put into the lineup because he can deliver where it counts (and that's not on paper). His stats say "put me on the bench" but the way he contributes to his team on the field speaks volumes compared to his lack-luster numbers.
I notice while rattling off your statistics, you forgot to mention that Longoria is hitting .023 points lower than Ramirez and that despite having 28 fewer at bats, he has still managed to strike out 47 more times than Ramirez.
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Again,as for ARod,I'm personally of the opinion that unless you have a ridiculously monstrous year,you should not get the MVP if your team doesn't make the playoffs,that's just my opinion,and ARod doesn't fit the bill.He has really good numbers,but his team ain't gonna make it so he don't deserve it,plain and simple.
Don't get me wrong,Longoria is having a great rookie year and he's gonna be an awesome player for years to come,but I just feel like Alexei has meant more to his team than Evan has,especially when the Sox's big hitters weren't playing that well.And yes,I have seen Longoria play,not on a consistent basis,but I've seen him.
Oh,and excuuuuse me for misspelling Quentin.
Happy now farva?
Once again how can you say Alexei has done more for his team?
Quentin - having a carrer year
Dye - having a very good year
Thome - has over 30 HR this year.
Not one player on the Rays is having a carrer year offensively.
Like I said, I thought Alexei should get ROY but then i started doing some research and realize it should really go to Longoria.
ya baby only 1.5 behind te rays for the division
were are the yankees fans now?
oh ya lookin at our asses!:booty:
were are the yankees fans now?
oh ya lookin at our asses!:booty:
And like I said,when guys like Konerko,Thome,Swisher,Cabrera,and Crede weren't playing very well,Alexei was one of the few people that was actually hitting.
Now that those guys are coming or have come around,Ramirez is still playing very well and in my opinion deserves Rookie Of The Year.He has been almost,if not just as important to our team as Carlos Quentin and Jermaine Dye.
If I didn't have to hear all of the jock riding from ESPN then I actually wouldn't mind if Longoria won it,and if he does win it then I won't be that upset about it,nor will I feel like they cheated Alexei,but I still think that he has been more important to his team than Longoria.
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my ******'s Basement
Yeah, who do you have to thank for that? The Jays have little chance to make the playoffs, but I love how they're ruining everyone else's run. Hopefully the Rays won't win the Division.
You're welcome.
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Again,as for ARod,I'm personally of the opinion that unless you have a ridiculously monstrous year,you should not get the MVP if your team doesn't make the playoffs,that's just my opinion,and ARod doesn't fit the bill.He has really good numbers,but his team ain't gonna make it so he don't deserve it,plain and simple.
Don't get me wrong,Longoria is having a great rookie year and he's gonna be an awesome player for years to come,but I just feel like Alexei has meant more to his team than Evan has,especially when the Sox's big hitters weren't playing that well.And yes,I have seen Longoria play,not on a consistent basis,but I've seen him.
Oh,and excuuuuse me for misspelling Quentin.
Happy now farva?
Yes, thanks for getting the name right this time. Shows what you know anyway.
As for all this ROY hooplah, the hometown White Sox fans obviously are in love with their team and refuse to acknowledge the evidence. Aside from his batting average, Longoria has superior statistics across the board. Stats aren't eveything, that's true, but stats do not lie, unlike your inherent bias toward all things White Sox.
The Rays have the second best record in baseball while playing in the toughest division and Longoria has to be given some credit for that. His defense is superb and none of his teammates are having great seasons offensively. I mean, look at the rest of the lineup: Pena is nowhere near where he was last season and was injured for a major part of the season, Upton and Crawford have very average batting averages, they have a pretty weak lineup when you really break it down. I would give more credit to their pitching staff than to their lineup, but you can't give Ramirez more credit than Longoria. Not when you have teammates like Quentin, Dye, Thome, Pierzynski, Cabrera, Crede, Konerko, and Swisher helping to carry the offensive burden. Plus, the White Sox have an inferior record in a weaker division.
Where's the argument? Better overall stats on a more successful team with a weaker lineup vs. worse overall stats on a less successful team with a stronger lineup. Plus better defense from Longoria as well. Try backing up your argument for Ramirez with information and evidence as strong as that instead of just saying catch phrases like "he's meant more to his team" without giving reason or evidence to back it up.
As for A-Rod, he is nowhere near deserving of any kind of reward this season. The Yankees have a monstrous payroll and are FOURTH in their division(thanks to the Jays hotness of late). His stats are good, but all of his HRs come in blowout games. He's been terrible in clutch situations. His average with runners in scoring position is .264 with only 6 HRs. 22 of his HRs have come with the bases empty and 11 while leading off an inning. A-Rod is the worst clutch hitter. I'd rather have Craig Counsell at the plate in a pressure situation than A-Rod.
