2008 MLB Thread

Yes, thanks for getting the name right this time. Shows what you know anyway.

As for all this ROY hooplah, the hometown White Sox fans obviously are in love with their team and refuse to acknowledge the evidence. Aside from his batting average, Longoria has superior statistics across the board. Stats aren't eveything, that's true, but stats do not lie, unlike your inherent bias toward all things White Sox.

The Rays have the second best record in baseball while playing in the toughest division and Longoria has to be given some credit for that. His defense is superb and none of his teammates are having great seasons offensively. I mean, look at the rest of the lineup: Pena is nowhere near where he was last season and was injured for a major part of the season, Upton and Crawford have very average batting averages, they have a pretty weak lineup when you really break it down. I would give more credit to their pitching staff than to their lineup, but you can't give Ramirez more credit than Longoria. Not when you have teammates like Quentin, Dye, Thome, Pierzynski, Cabrera, Crede, Konerko, and Swisher helping to carry the offensive burden. Plus, the White Sox have an inferior record in a weaker division.

Where's the argument? Better overall stats on a more successful team with a weaker lineup vs. worse overall stats on a less successful team with a stronger lineup. Plus better defense from Longoria as well. Try backing up your argument for Ramirez with information and evidence as strong as that instead of just saying catch phrases like "he's meant more to his team" without giving reason or evidence to back it up.

As for A-Rod, he is nowhere near deserving of any kind of reward this season. The Yankees have a monstrous payroll and are FOURTH in their division(thanks to the Jays hotness of late). His stats are good, but all of his HRs come in blowout games. He's been terrible in clutch situations. His average with runners in scoring position is .264 with only 6 HRs. 22 of his HRs have come with the bases empty and 11 while leading off an inning. A-Rod is the worst clutch hitter. I'd rather have Craig Counsell at the plate in a pressure situation than A-Rod.

Yes I am a bit bias for the White Sox,but obviously you haven't watched shit for White Sox baseball because if you did then you would know that Ramirez HAS been one of the players that has been carrying the team.Yes,having Quentin, Dye, Thome, Pierzynski, Cabrera, Crede, Konerko, and Swisher seem like a good thing,but how good is it when most of the players that you named were either hurt or playing like shit for a decent part of the season?

I'm pretty sure that I've watched more Sox games than you have this season,so you can throw what ever stats you want to but the facts are that when most of the Sox players were playing like shit,Alexei was one of the few,along with Quentin,Dye,and A.J.,who was actually playing good and he still is playing good now.Plus Alexei was playing lower in the line up so those guys were not protecting him.

Like I said before,If Evan wins it,I won't be pissed off,but would the Rays be where they are today without him?Maybe yes maybe not,who knows,but I'm pretty sure that you can subtract about 5 or so games from the record if the Sox didn't have Ramirez.
 
someone care to explain the dodgers winners of 8 straight and they have a game and half lead over the slumpbacks. roy voting never makes sense anyway. i suspect this years will be close due to both guys helping thier teams in pennet races.mvp voting is even more political.

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Yes I am a bit bias for the White Sox,but obviously you haven't watched shit for White Sox baseball because if you did then you would know that Ramirez HAS been one of the players that has been carrying the team.Yes,having Quentin, Dye, Thome, Pierzynski, Cabrera, Crede, Konerko, and Swisher seem like a good thing,but how good is it when most of the players that you named were either hurt or playing like shit for a decent part of the season?

I'm pretty sure that I've watched more Sox games than you have this season,so you can throw what ever stats you want to but the facts are that when most of the Sox players were playing like shit,Alexei was one of the few,along with Quentin,Dye,and A.J.,who was actually playing good and he still is playing good now.Plus Alexei was playing lower in the line up so those guys were not protecting him.

Like I said before,If Evan wins it,I won't be pissed off,but would the Rays be where they are today without him?Maybe yes maybe not,who knows,but I'm pretty sure that you can subtract about 5 or so games from the record if the Sox didn't have Ramirez.

Couldn't agree with you more.

It will be down to Alexi Ramirez and Evan Longoria for the AL Rookie Of The Year.

But dispite the 2 1/2 game lead over Minnesota,I still say the White Sox still got to win these upcoming games with Toronto (seeing what they did to the Twins last week).

But if they could get by with a big enough lead after their trip to New York (which the Sox always have trouble winning over there for some reason),then i'll feel better coming in to that series with the Twins in Minnesota.
 
I will admit, I am a huge Rays fan and a huge Cubs fan.

All this talk about AL ROY - let me say this. I have watched a ton of Rays games this season. I know for a fact that the Rays would not be where they are at without Longoria but you can also say they would not be where they are at without Jason Bartlett too. Evan is just one member of a true TEAM. The reason why the Rays are successful is because they all play hard and are fundamentally sound (aside from BJ Upton occassionally). They all make amazing defensive plays. Jason Bartlett and Longoria are probably the best left side of any infield. Aki and Pena are pretty damn good on the right and their outfield (once Crawford get back) is pretty damn good.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the team once Longoria gets back into the lineup. I am sure he will be a little rusty but this is the stretch. If Tampa gets out of their little slump once Longoria returns, his case is made. These next few weeks are going to be a challenge for all the teams involved in the AL races. Boston, Tampa, Chicago, and Minnesotta all have tough schedules.

This is when it gets fun. The Boston-Tampa series starting tonight and then in Tampa next week are going to be crazy. It's nice to see the Yankees not even in the conversation. From what I have seen of Toronto these last few weeks, the Yanks have got to be worried about their future in the AL East. Toronto, Tampa, and Boston are clearly positioned to be in the top of the division for now but who knows, the Yanks can buy a whole new team if they want. If Tampa's payroll goes up, watch out. They are stacked in the minors and David Price will be a legit #3 starter next season.
 
Yes I am a bit bias for the White Sox,but obviously you haven't watched shit for White Sox baseball because if you did then you would know that Ramirez HAS been one of the players that has been carrying the team.Yes,having Quentin, Dye, Thome, Pierzynski, Cabrera, Crede, Konerko, and Swisher seem like a good thing,but how good is it when most of the players that you named were either hurt or playing like shit for a decent part of the season?

I'm pretty sure that I've watched more Sox games than you have this season,so you can throw what ever stats you want to but the facts are that when most of the Sox players were playing like shit,Alexei was one of the few,along with Quentin,Dye,and A.J.,who was actually playing good and he still is playing good now.Plus Alexei was playing lower in the line up so those guys were not protecting him.

Like I said before,If Evan wins it,I won't be pissed off,but would the Rays be where they are today without him?Maybe yes maybe not,who knows,but I'm pretty sure that you can subtract about 5 or so games from the record if the Sox didn't have Ramirez.


What the hell are you talking about?

Quinten, Dye, Thome are all having good years, and havent sucked for large portions of the season or in the begining of the season.

In fact Thome's number are a little bit better pre-allstar break then after.

You cant win this arguement. Alexei is having a great season, but you ignoring the fact that Longoria is better just because your a White Sox fan.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
What the hell are you talking about?

Quinten, Dye, Thome are all having good years, and havent sucked for large portions of the season or in the begining of the season.

In fact Thome's number are a little bit better pre-allstar break then after.

You cant win this arguement. Alexei is having a great season, but you ignoring the fact that Longoria is better just because your a White Sox fan.

Are you talking about this year? Thome has a shitty batting average (I think he's even below .250) and he "only" has 80 RBI's, which is bad for him.

Claiming that some of the White Sox key players had good "pre all-star" break numbers isn't going to help your argument that Alexei Ramirez doesn't deserve Rookie of the Year. It wasn't until shortly before the all-star break that Ramirez started playing on an every day basis as a starter. During that time, Thome wasn't doing well, Konerko wasn't doing well and Crede was out for a while. Alexei Ramirez stepped up and did what those other key players couldn't...produce day in and day out.

I think you're forgetting about how important pitching is as well. The Rays have one of, if not the best pitching staff in the AL and that has contributed the greatest impact for their team. They don't have to rely on great batting statistics in order to win because their pitchers shut down the other team's ability to score runs.

As for the White Sox, they win by hitting the ball. Their pitchers commonly let up a lot of runs, so their hitters have to win the game. Since they have a lot of wins, of course their hitters are going to have good numbers. You can, in no way, hold that against Ramirez in his bid for Rookie of the Year.
 
Are you talking about this year? Thome has a shitty batting average (I think he's even below .250) and he "only" has 80 RBI's, which is bad for him.

Claiming that some of the White Sox key players had good "pre all-star" break numbers isn't going to help your argument that Alexei Ramirez doesn't deserve Rookie of the Year. It wasn't until shortly before the all-star break that Ramirez started playing on an every day basis as a starter. During that time, Thome wasn't doing well, Konerko wasn't doing well and Crede was out for a while. Alexei Ramirez stepped up and did what those other key players couldn't...produce day in and day out.

I think you're forgetting about how important pitching is as well. The Rays have one of, if not the best pitching staff in the AL and that has contributed the greatest impact for their team. They don't have to rely on great batting statistics in order to win because their pitchers shut down the other team's ability to score runs.

As for the White Sox, they win by hitting the ball. Their pitchers commonly let up a lot of runs, so their hitters have to win the game. Since they have a lot of wins, of course their hitters are going to have good numbers. You can, in no way, hold that against Ramirez in his bid for Rookie of the Year.


So now your holding the Rays pitching agaisnt Longoria? Sure sounds like it.

The Rays struggle to score runs, so that has made what Longoria has done that much more important.

While the White Sox usually score a bunch of runs that makes Alexei a lot less important because if he dosent do someone else does, unlike the Rays.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
So now your holding the Rays pitching agaisnt Longoria? Sure sounds like it.

The Rays struggle to score runs, so that has made what Longoria has done that much more important.

While the White Sox usually score a bunch of runs that makes Alexei a lot less important because if he dosent do someone else does, unlike the Rays.

I'm not holding the Rays pitching against Longoria at all. I'm just saying that if you only give up a few runs a game (let's say 2 or 3), than you don't need exceptional performances from your hitters. I'm also saying that the Rays "turn around" success is mostly due to their pitching staff. I am not excluding Longoria's performance and rendering it "meaningless" to the Rays success, I just don't think that he contributes as much as the pitching does.

As for the White Sox, they are successful because of their hitting...which would include Alexei Ramirez. That doesn't mean "Alexei Ramirez is single-handedly responsible for every White Sox victory", but it does mean that without Alexei Ramirez, the White Sox would be hurting. No, they wouldn't be losing every game or have no chance of scoring runs, but their offense (the thing they need to win) would be taking a huge hit.

If you took Longoria out of the Rays' lineup, they wouldn't really be "missing" him all that much. He's been out for about a month now and the Rays are still doing quite well. 17-10 without him in the lineup.

:2 cents:
 
I'm not holding the Rays pitching against Longoria at all. I'm just saying that if you only give up a few runs a game (let's say 2 or 3), than you don't need exceptional performances from your hitters. I'm also saying that the Rays "turn around" success is mostly due to their pitching staff. I am not excluding Longoria's performance and rendering it "meaningless" to the Rays success, I just don't think that he contributes as much as the pitching does.

As for the White Sox, they are successful because of their hitting...which would include Alexei Ramirez. That doesn't mean "Alexei Ramirez is single-handedly responsible for every White Sox victory", but it does mean that without Alexei Ramirez, the White Sox would be hurting. No, they wouldn't be losing every game or have no chance of scoring runs, but their offense (the thing they need to win) would be taking a huge hit.

If you took Longoria out of the Rays' lineup, they wouldn't really be "missing" him all that much. He's been out for about a month now and the Rays are still doing quite well. 17-10 without him in the lineup.

:2 cents:


Like I said in my last post, the Rays struggle offensively...so everything Longoria does offensively, and defensively is that much more important because the game isnt a slug fest.
 
Yes I am a bit bias for the White Sox,but obviously you haven't watched shit for White Sox baseball because if you did then you would know that Ramirez HAS been one of the players that has been carrying the team.Yes,having Quentin, Dye, Thome, Pierzynski, Cabrera, Crede, Konerko, and Swisher seem like a good thing,but how good is it when most of the players that you named were either hurt or playing like shit for a decent part of the season?

I'm pretty sure that I've watched more Sox games than you have this season,so you can throw what ever stats you want to but the facts are that when most of the Sox players were playing like shit,Alexei was one of the few,along with Quentin,Dye,and A.J.,who was actually playing good and he still is playing good now.Plus Alexei was playing lower in the line up so those guys were not protecting him.

Like I said before,If Evan wins it,I won't be pissed off,but would the Rays be where they are today without him?Maybe yes maybe not,who knows,but I'm pretty sure that you can subtract about 5 or so games from the record if the Sox didn't have Ramirez.

Give me a break. Ramirez hasn't been carrying the team at all. You White Sox fans keep saying that your team was struggling and he carried them offensively and that Thome and Konerko and Crede were struggling or hurt, but you fail to mention that Quentin and Dye have been consistently superb all season long and they have made the impact, not Ramirez. They've been driving in the runs, hitting the home runs and scoring the runs. The Rays pitching staff does deserve more credit than Longoria and the lineup(which I already pointed out and you borrowed from me), but who in the Rays lineup has carried the slack the way Dye and Quentin have, no one. That makes Longoria's performance that much more important to his team. He's been arguably their best hitter, no way has Ramirez been his team's best hitter. And again, Longoria has fewer at-bats, more home runs, more RBI, more runs, plays better defense, and his team has a better record in a tougher division with a weaker lineup. Game, set, match. None of the points you make are legitimate or relevant. Give up. I know you want your hometown players to get some respect and recognition, but Longoria clearly deserves the award over Ramirez.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Like I said in my last post, the Rays struggle offensively...so everything Longoria does offensively, and defensively is that much more important because the game isnt a slug fest.

They're 17-10 without him in the lineup. Obviously, he's not that important.

Give me a break. Ramirez hasn't been carrying the team at all.

Neither has Longoria.

The Rays pitching staff does deserve more credit than Longoria and the lineup(which I already pointed out and you borrowed from me), but who in the Rays lineup has carried the slack the way Dye and Quentin have, no one. That makes Longoria's performance that much more important to his team.

With a great pitching staff, you don't need to put up big numbers at the plate. In reference to his importance to the team, I will refer to my previous statement that the Rays are 17-10 without Longoria in the lineup, which is very, very good.

And again, Longoria has fewer at-bats, more home runs, more RBI, more runs, plays better defense, and his team has a better record in a tougher division with a weaker lineup.

Fewer at-bats, but way more strikeouts. Striking out does two things...1) it's a guaranteed out 2) it eliminates any possibility of the defense creating an error, advancing the runner, etc. Alexei Ramirez can put the bat on the ball which can produce eventual runs. That is something most people overlook. Home runs are nice, but not a necessity. And, RBI's, to people who actually understand baseball, is the most useless statistic in all of baseball.
 
And if you want to hold RBI's in high regard let's look at both players stats in the clutch,when there team need them the most...
Longoria's average w/risp- .235
Ramirez- .404

Longoria's average with runners on- 260
Ramirez-.308

Longoria's average with 2 outs and runners on- .225
Ramirez- .264

Longoria's average with bases loaded- .250
Ramirez- .429

In every clutch hitting catagory Ramirez is better,now just try to be dumb enough to make an argument about that!

Oh,and by the way,Farva,I didn't know that you've been watching more than just highlights of White Sox games to know how anyone on the team is doing.I said that Alexei was one of the players along with Quentin,Dye and A.J. that was carrying the team earlier in the season.Until you sit down and watch as many Sox games as I have,it's probably in your best interest not to comment on what you don't know or think you know form only watching highlights on Sports Center.

And again,I'm not in anyway saying that Longoria sucks,I just think that Alexei has earned ROtY at this point.

Peace.
 
And if you want to hold RBI's in high regard let's look at both players stats in the clutch,when there team need them the most...
Longoria's average w/risp- .235
Ramirez- .404

Longoria's average with runners on- 260
Ramirez-.308

Longoria's average with 2 outs and runners on- .225
Ramirez- .264

Longoria's average with bases loaded- .250
Ramirez- .429

In every clutch hitting catagory Ramirez is better,now just try to be dumb enough to make an argument about that!

Oh,and by the way,Farva,I didn't know that you've been watching more than just highlights of White Sox games to know how anyone on the team is doing.I said that Alexei was one of the players along with Quentin,Dye and A.J. that was carrying the team earlier in the season.Until you sit down and watch as many Sox games as I have,it's probably in your best interest not to comment on what you don't know or think you know form only watching highlights on Sports Center.

And again,I'm not in anyway saying that Longoria sucks,I just think that Alexei has earned ROtY at this point.

Peace.

These are good points. Finally backing it up with some evidence. I still don't think Ramirez is more deserving, but you're entitled to that opinion since you finally gave some reason as to why he might deserve the award.

I just want to say a couple of things. I get WGN, I watch a lot of White Sox games and Cubs games, I also get FSN West and watch a lot of Mariners games and I watch any game on ESPN or TBS, I pretty much watch baseball all day and night any chance I get, especially over the summer. I do know who's been slumping and who's been injured for the White Sox and I bet I know it better than you. Seeing as how you don't even know your MVP candidate's name. Seriously, you repeatedly spelled his name Quinton, which isn't just spelling it incorrectly, like calling a guy Johnson instead of Johnston, Quinton is a completely different name than Quentin. How can you call yourself a White Sox fan if you don't even know his name. You obviously aren't very well-informed. The stats you just listed on Ramirez's clutch hitting vs. Longoria's is the first piece of legitimate evidence you've provided for any of the opinions you've expressed about baseball. Hopefully we can see more of that. I gained a shred of respect for your baseball knowledge because of it.

And what's the difference between you saying that Ramirez carried the team or he was one of the guys carrying the team, it's the same point. And Dye and Quentin still carried the load all year long more than he did. He had a lot of support. And other guys stepped up at times as well. If Ramirez had a hand in carrying the team then the team carried him. He sees a lot of good pitches too when the rest of the lineup is so much more feared than he is.

Anyway, I know I sound like an asshole sometimes, but I just can't help it, it's the way I am, so I'm going to lay off here. You made some valid points, keep doing that research, you'll become a better informed baseball fan as a result.
 
They just need to make two separate awards already. They could create a "Outstanding Player of the Year" award that's given to the person that everybody feels is the biggest impact to their team, the best player on a playoff contender, has some wierd stat that year, is a good "clubhouse leader", or whatever else excuse people use to not give an MVP award to the best player. Then they need to keep the more prestigious "Most Valuable Player" award but specify what it is it in no uncertain terms and make it in no way open to interpretation at all that it means it goes to the best player period based on that players sole contribution to offense and defense on the field and who would cause their team to win more because of that all other things being equal. I think that would clear up a lot of the mess with MVP voting and keep them from getting it wrong half the time.
 
I agree partially with you D-Rock.

I am a firm believer that it should not be held agaisnt an mvp contender if the team he is on sucks.
 
They're 17-10 without him in the lineup. Obviously, he's not that important.



Neither has Longoria.



With a great pitching staff, you don't need to put up big numbers at the plate. In reference to his importance to the team, I will refer to my previous statement that the Rays are 17-10 without Longoria in the lineup, which is very, very good.



Fewer at-bats, but way more strikeouts. Striking out does two things...1) it's a guaranteed out 2) it eliminates any possibility of the defense creating an error, advancing the runner, etc. Alexei Ramirez can put the bat on the ball which can produce eventual runs. That is something most people overlook. Home runs are nice, but not a necessity. And, RBI's, to people who actually understand baseball, is the most useless statistic in all of baseball.

Yeah, but when you have a weaker lineup it does make putting up numbers more important. It balances out the fact that their pitching staff is so good. Putting up numbers in a weaker lineup is much more important than what Ramirez is doing since his lineup is so strong and could make do without him. 17-10 is pretty good, but it's only 27 games, and 63-41(.606) is pretty damn good, which is the Rays record with Longoria in the lineup and also happens to be a significant number of games.

You may watch baseball, but you certainly don't know it. Anyone who knows it knows that RBI, runs scored, and OBP are the most important stats without a doubt. What's more important than driving in/scoring runs? Are you kidding me? What are you talking about? Yeah, RBI are a useless statistic. Right. If you aren't driving in runs when you have the chance then you aren't contributing, period. No one would ever want a player who fails at driving in runs. That's how you win the game, by scoring runs, how does your team score runs, by having someone drive them in. No RBI, no wins, maybe once every quarter century will a team win a game without registering any RBI, just a wild pitch or something. Ridiculous. You are clueless. And, subsequently, strikeouts aren't important.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
You may watch baseball, but you certainly don't know it. Anyone who knows it knows that RBI, runs scored, and OBP are the most important stats without a doubt. What's more important than driving in/scoring runs? Are you kidding me? What are you talking about? Yeah, RBI are a useless statistic. Right. If you aren't driving in runs when you have the chance then you aren't contributing, period. No one would ever want a player who fails at driving in runs. That's how you win the game, by scoring runs, how does your team score runs, by having someone drive them in. No RBI, no wins, maybe once every quarter century will a team win a game without registering any RBI, just a wild pitch or something. Ridiculous. You are clueless. And, subsequently, strikeouts aren't important.

HA! How many major league managers have personally come to watch you play? How many major league teams have asked you to join their minor league system while you were still in high school?

I don't know baseball? That's hilarious. I knew more about baseball when I was 12 years old than you will for the rest of your life.

The fact that you are so hung up on useless, "fan worthy" and "highlight making" stats proves that you know nothing about the game. Barry Bonds has the most homeruns of all-time, but, does that mean he's the best baseball player ever? Fuck no. Why? Because statistics only tell a very small, almost worthless part of the story.

As for the RBI...anybody with any sort of baseball knowledge knows that it is the most useless and over-rated statistic. If there is a man on third base and you lazily pop an easy-to-hit fastball into right field and the runner scores, does that mean you're good? Fuck no. It means you were pretty fucking lucky that a man was on third base, or else you would've looked like a crappy hitter.

If you want, I can give You Mike Hargrove's or Charlie Manuel's phone number and they'll tell you the same thing. I can also get Jim Thome's number or Joel Skinner's number or Joe Charboneau's...if you even know who those last two people are. You should though, since you know so much about baseball. (Feel free to Google them, we all know you want to)

No one would ever want a player who fails at driving in runs.

According to statistics, which you love so much (and that zell has already provided for you), Evan Longoria fails at driving in runs on a pretty frequent basis, soooo...now what do you have to say?

Evan Longoria is good and I am not arguing that fact. He does not, however, contribute more to his team than Alexei Ramirez does.

Strikeouts aren't important? Ok, there's a man on 2nd, 1 out and you're down by one run in the bottom of the ninth inning. Evan Longoria is up to the plate. He strikes out. What happens? He doesn't do his job and the only thing that happens is that another out is put on the board. There is still a man on 2nd, you're still down by one and now there's 2 outs.

Same situation and Alexei Ramirez is at the plate. Instead of striking out (like Longoria is good at doing), he hits a fly ball, deep to right field. Now, the runner gets to advance to third, making it easier for him to score on a hit, wild pitch or error. Strikeouts aren't important, huh? Tell that to anyone who has ever played baseball at a level higher than T-ball and they'll laugh at you.
 
RBIs are maybe the most worthless widely used statistic in all of sports. They are just basically a function of other offensive stats and the peoples' OBP ahead of that person in the lineup.
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
RBIs are maybe the most worthless widely used statistic in all of sports. They are just basically a function of other offensive stats and the peoples' OBP ahead of that person in the lineup.

Exactly.

Comparing that to football...a few years back, Jerome Bettis had a shit load of TD's, but his average YPC (yards per carry) on his touchdowns was less than 2 yards (I don't remember exactly what it was). Everyone else does the work, you just get the "glory". Useless, glorified statistic.
 
Strikeouts aren't important? Ok, there's a man on 2nd, 1 out and you're down by one run in the bottom of the ninth inning. Evan Longoria is up to the plate. He strikes out. What happens? He doesn't do his job and the only thing that happens is that another out is put on the board. There is still a man on 2nd, you're still down by one and now there's 2 outs.

Same situation and Alexei Ramirez is at the plate. Instead of striking out (like Longoria is good at doing), he hits a fly ball, deep to right field. Now, the runner gets to advance to third, making it easier for him to score on a hit, wild pitch or error. Strikeouts aren't important, huh? Tell that to anyone who has ever played baseball at a level higher than T-ball and they'll laugh at you.


Okay same situation. guy on second, 1 out bottom ninth.

Alexei comes up to plate, okay so he dosent strike out he just hits a hard ground ball to Short stop not advancing the runner and getting thrown out at first. guy still on second with 2 outs.

Same situation with Longoria only Longoria actually works the count and draws a walk. Putting guys on first and second with 1 out.

Besides statisticly Alexei is more likely to hit a groundball then a flyball anyways.
 
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