2008 MLB Thread

[rodfarva]

Most of the Indians scouts aren't interested in many people so I wouldn't take offense. In the Cleveland area (when I was younger) we had a good 4 or 5 really good prospects for the pros, (all of which ended up getting drafted, one of which actually played in the majors) and none of them were even given a chance by Indian's scouts...and they were only a few miles away! I just got lucky by knowing the Hargrove family, so it worked out in a way.

I also had scouts from the Marlins and Reds, but that's besides the point.



As of two days ago, according to the Tampa Bay Rays website, their record was 85 - 57. Also, as of two days ago, the Rays record was 17 - 10 since August 7th, which is when Longoria got hurt. I just did the math.

85 wins (total) - 17 wins (without Longoria) = 68 wins (with Longoria)
57 loses (total) - 10 loses (without Longoria) = 47 loses (with Longoria)

If he missed a game "here and there", I wouldn't know about it. I don't watch every single Rays game. I don't have the MLB package, so I'm stuck with whatever gets shown on cable.

With that being said, even if the record you provided is correct one to go by, they still have a better winning percentage without him in the lineup.

FYI - The prospect from the Cleveland area who actually made it to the pros was Clint Nageotte. He only pitched in a few games for the Mariners (and got rocked) but it was cool to see him get there, especially knowing that I hit him well in high school. :banger:

I'm not offended by him not being interested. I was good for where I was from, but not for pro level contention. I was proud just to be scouted by a pro organization at all. I grew up in a small Alberta town called Fish Creek where baseball wasn't important to anyone(hockey, of course was hugely important), so when I started playing baseball and our team became one of the best in the country and made it to the nationals it sparked some interest, I guess. I was one of the top-ranked players in Canada, but compared to the US that doesn't mean all that much. I heard from some hometown friends that the baseball team is still doing great these days, so that's good.

The reason why your win-loss numbers are incorrect is because Longoria wasn't called up until April 12th, so you didn't count the 10 games played before he was called up. Also, Longoria actually HASN'T missed any games here and there, he played every single game from the time he was called up to the time he was injured. So, like I said, the Rays are 23-16(.590) without him and 63-41(.606) with him. They have been better with him in the lineup. Much better. That just shows his value that much more.

 

[rodfarva]

Sounds like a bunch of double talk to me.Talk to me when you actually have an argument that you can back up.

Longoria's numbers that you mentioned are not like they are leaps and bounds above Ramirez's anyway.You keep bringing up that he has played in fewer games but that's a difference of only about 11 or so games,and to add,Longoria actually played in more games from April through July with more at bats in each month,and with the exception of April,where Alexei had 15 fewer at bats,he has had a way better batting average.

Rebuttal? And if you don't have anything new to add then that just further proves that you don't know what you're talking about.



Proof is in the numbers,what more can you ask for,especially for someone who seems to be so focused on them.

Laters.

You are the king of double talk. And of stating the obvious and irrelevant.

Speaking of which, what does it matter who's played how many games and when? What does that have to do with anything? That's irrelevant. And I never said anything about the number of games played. Not once. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth(or keyboard)?

What I said was that Longoria has more HRs, RBI, and runs in fewer at-bats, not games. So with fewer chances he has produced more.

I don't have to back my argument because I already have. Like I've said, Longoria has more HRs, RBI, and runs in fewer at-bats, plays better defense, plays for a more successful team in a tougher division with a weaker lineup, and his team has a much better record with him than without him. That's eight valid points. One of them is new, actually, but it doesn't matter because I don't need any more new validation.

And that so-called proof of yours I already proved to be incorrect. But whatever, I've made eight valid points, you've made one(clutch hitting), OK, two, I'll give you another one(batting average). I don't care anymore though, I've proved myself to be a superior being, and baseball fan(Quinton?), but I don't want to argue about this anymore. I've already clearly proven you wrong.

So on to the next debate. And, earnestly, I watched the Jays/Sox double-header and I hope Konerko is OK, it looked like a bad injury and he's been really clutch for them lately. How about the pitching by Burnett, Vazquez, and Litsch? Brilliant. Especially Burnett, his 12-6 curve was biting gorgeously. The Jays(my favourite team, got to stay true to Canada even if I don't live there anymore) are absolutely on fire and I can't wait to see them next season(hopefully they re-sign Burnett **cross fingers**).

 

[zell]

You are the king of double talk. And of stating the obvious and irrelevant.

Speaking of which, what does it matter who's played how many games and when? What does that have to do with anything? That's irrelevant. And I never said anything about the number of games played. Not once. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth(or keyboard)?

What I said was that Longoria has more HRs, RBI, and runs in fewer at-bats, not games. So with fewer chances he has produced more.

I don't have to back my argument because I already have. Like I've said, Longoria has more HRs, RBI, and runs in fewer at-bats, plays better defense, plays for a more successful team in a tougher division with a weaker lineup, and his team has a much better record with him than without him. That's eight valid points. One of them is new, actually, but it doesn't matter because I don't need any more new validation.

O.k.,I was backing my stats up by using how many games,but you can actually replace my stats for games with at bats and it's the same results.The only reason that Longoria has had fewer at bats(and mind you that amount isn't by a huge total)is because of injury that came in August.

Their main stats like HRs,RBIs,BA,are all pretty close to each others.You can say that Longoria plays better defense and that's true but you also have to say that Alexei hits better in the clutch,and in my opinion,that's more important and the deciding factor for me on who deserves the award considering that both players have similar numbers.

 

[Happy77]

Tampa Bay Rays record OVERALL: 85 - 57
Winning PCT: 59.8%

Tampa Bay Rays record WITH Longoria in the lineup: 68 - 47
Winning PCT: 59.1%

Tampa Bay Rays record WITHOUT Longoria in the the lineup: 17 - 10
Winning PCT: 62.9%

If you look at the reality of his "contribution" to his team, they are better off without him in the lineup. Their winning percentage is better when he doesn't play. Yeah, he certainly is contributing a lot to their success.

Yeah,but not even when he's healthy that his Rays can't beat the Red Sox at Fenway to save his life.

 

[ChefChiTown]

Yeah,but not even when he's healthy that his Rays can't beat the Red Sox at Fenway to save his life.

They literally just beat the Red Sox at Fenway.

 

[rodfarva]

O.k.,I was backing my stats up by using how many games,but you can actually replace my stats for games with at bats and it's the same results.The only reason that Longoria has had fewer at bats(and mind you that amount isn't by a huge total)is because of injury that came in August.

Their main stats like HRs,RBIs,BA,are all pretty close to each others.You can say that Longoria plays better defense and that's true but you also have to say that Alexei hits better in the clutch,and in my opinion,that's more important and the deciding factor for me on who deserves the award considering that both players have similar numbers.

Fair enough. I still think that Longoria has done much more and that the proof is in the results, and I also think there's more to it than just hitting in the clutch, although that's clearly important. But perhaps we can agree to disagree.

 

[Becks...poamr]

Heeeeey, that's cheeeeatiiiiiing!

You're right.

I'm sassy like that.

I'll try to try to behave now.

 

[zell]

Fair enough. I still think that Longoria has done much more and that the proof is in the results, and I also think there's more to it than just hitting in the clutch, although that's clearly important. But perhaps we can agree to disagree.

Yeah,fair enough indeed.I think that if either of those two win,it will be a good choice either way.

 

[Magnet]

I found this pretty funny, The Pirates Blue Print for record breaking history.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/090910

 

[zell]

I found this pretty funny, The Pirates Blue Print for record breaking history.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/090910

Wow!That's some funny shit.I'm soooo glad I didn't grow up and live in Pittsburgh and have to rooting for that team.

 

[kuruption]

Manny is a f*cken beast. I think the Dodgers locked up the division after today's win and Arizona's loss. It's a terrible division, they wouldn't even make the playoffs if they were in any other division, but I'll take it.

 

[Magnet]

Manny is a f*cken beast. I think the Dodgers locked up the division after today's win and Arizona's loss. It's a terrible division, they wouldn't even make the playoffs if they were in any other division, but I'll take it.

Whats funny is last year the division had 2 90 game winners, plus an 89 game winner AND the Wild Card came from the division.

 

[ChefChiTown]

I found this pretty funny, The Pirates Blue Print for record breaking history.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/090910

Step 679. Trade for players other teams want to release.
In 2006, the Pirates best trade chip was power-hitting first baseman/outfielder Craig Wilson. (Really!) They eventually traded him before the deadline to the Yankees for Shawn Chacon … who the Yankees were planning to release. Hey, can't risk having a talent like Shawn Chacon getting snatched off the waiver wire by someone else!

HA! Shawn Chacon!

That's funny. Sad and very true...but funny.

Nice find.

 

[Funkwerkz]

I hope Cubs will rock this season.

 

[kuruption]

Whats funny is last year the division had 2 90 game winners, plus an 89 game winner AND the Wild Card came from the division.

I know, it just shows how things change year after year. I remember there was a stretch where every team in the NL West had a winning record.

 

[Magnet]

HA! Shawn Chacon!

That's funny. Sad and very true...but funny.

Nice find.

I still think the deal they pulled off for Matt Morris is the deal of the century.

Step 247. But then suddenly decide to add salary on an established washed-up major league talent at the trade deadline.
It's the 2007 trade deadline. You are far removed from the wild-card chase and are looking to build for the future. Wait … what's that? Matt Morris is available? No one else wants him? Why, we'll take on his entire $10 million annual salary for this year and next, thereby making him the highest-paid player in franchise history! And we'll also give you a prospect in return. Deal?

 

[shayd]

And for the third time this year I show up to see my A's and they get blanked. I think our offense is back in its coma. :dunno:

 

[Red001]

shayd i feel for you. when i went to see the a's they at least scored. of course that was in may when frank was healthy, he hit a long hr in that game, and the team was playing well since the all star break they seem to be mailing in the season

red001

 

[ChefChiTown]

Can anyone explain to me why they canceled the White Sox game last night? It was raining a little bit, but no need to cancel the game!

 

[shayd]

shayd i feel for you. when i went to see the a's they at least scored. of course that was in may when frank was healthy, he hit a long hr in that game, and the team was playing well since the all star break they seem to be mailing in the season

red001

Thankfully my wife saw my disgust and surprised me with tickets to todays game too, so I got to actually see physical proof that my team still has an offense! :thumbsup: