SCOTUS Upholds Obamacare!!! Suck It Conservatives!!!

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The individual health insurance mandate is constitutional, the Supreme Court ruled Thursday, upholding the central provision of President Barack Obama's signature Affordable Care Act.

The 5-4 majority opinion, written by Chief Justice John Roberts, upheld the mandate as a tax, although concluded it was not valid as an exercise of Congress' commerce clause power. Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan joined in the majority.
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PlasmaTwa2

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Does anyone remember a time where a post about a contentious political topic didn't begin with an inflammatory statement against people who hold different political views than the OP?

(PS: Glad Breyer decided to vote for it. A Supreme Court decision in favour destroys all credibility Romney's team might have in making it a campaign issue, though no doubt he will still promise to end it.)
 

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Does anyone remember a time where a post about a contentious political topic didn't begin with an inflammatory statement against people who hold different political views than the OP?

Yeah....I'm OK with it. When the Cons start giving a **** about all the people, when they base their decisions on what a policy is and not who promulgated it, when they get their church out of my government, I'll put my *** back in its holster.

A Supreme Court decision in favour destroys all credibility Romney's team might have in making it a campaign issue, though no doubt he will still promise to end it

Romney has lost. It's all over but for the ******.

P.S. You should have left Sam's post where it was. The man makes my own case for me, and he does the typing.
 
A Supreme Court decision in favour destroys all credibility Romney's team might have in making it a campaign issue...Romney has lost.

Rasmussen polls show that public opinion has been heavily against Obamacare since the beginning, with its highest support rate at 43%, and currently an overwhelming 54%-39% in favor of repeal. I didn't realize that the Supreme Court elects the President. Weird.

And are you quoting a British news outlet opinion piece? "Favour?" I guess Europeans probably know better than Americans about the prospects of American politics.
 

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And are you quoting a British news outlet opinion piece? "Favour?" I guess Europeans probably know better than Americans about the prospects of American politics.

Actually, I was quoting Plasma....y'know, the guy with the post directly above mine.

Jeebus, what has happened to you lately? Head injury, brain tumor, what? Where's that biting intellect that was worthy of respect? You've been falling on your ass, the last couple of weeks.
 

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I have four words for obamacare: I WILL NOT COMPLY

Kennedy said the whole thing's unconstitutional. Kennedy. What's that tell you?

Oh, and by the way. You people on the left think it's unpopular now? Just you wait until people actually start having to deal with it. This is the best thing to happen to conservatism in years. People getting to see up close and personal exactly what big government means. You're sunk in the long run. This is gonna turn out like Prohibition and be a huge **** up call to everyone as to just how dangerous progressives on the left and right are. Prepare to try to go back into hiding for another 100 years. Emphasis on the try, because we're on to you now.
 

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Supreme Court Health Care Decision Preserves Biggest Expansion Of Coverage In 45 Years

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/28/supreme-court-health-care-decision_n_1634217.html

The Supreme Court's 5-4 decision to uphold President Barack Obama's health care reform law will surely influence American politics in this November's presidential election and onward. But Dawn Josephson is already feeling the effects.

"I feel like I'm going to cry. I'm so relieved right now," said Josephson, 39, who lives in Jacksonville, Fla. Her 6-year-old ***, Wesley, has a pre-existing medical condition that made it impossible for the ****** to find health insurance for him until the law ****** in 2010. "It's so hard when you're a parent and you see your ***** needs help and you can't even purchase health insurance for them," said Josephson, after learning of the court's ruling from a reporter while getting her hair styled.

For now, people like Wesley Josephson can rest assured that they cannot be turned away for health insurance coverage.

The Supreme Court's decision allows the Obama administration to go forward with a law that will extend health coverage to as many as 30 million Americans through private health insurance and Medicaid starting in 2014. The law also prohibits health insurance company practices that were previously legal, including refusing to sell plans to ******** and adults with pre-existing medical conditions, setting lifetime limits on medical coverage that cut people off when their expenses get too high, and charging higher premiums to women.

"It's hard to underestimate the importance of having coverage for health care," said Glen Stream, president of the American Academy of ****** Physicians and a primary care doctor who practices in Spokane, Wash. "People who are underinsured or uninsured, they live sicker and die younger," Stream said.

Under the law, people who earn 133 percent of the federal poverty level or less will qualify for Medicaid coverage. Those whose income is between 133 percent and 400 percent of the poverty level will be eligible for tax credits to defray the cost of health insurance. Companies with at least 50 employees will have to provide health benefits to workers or pay a penalty to the government, and some smaller companies will receive tax credits for employee health insurance. And nearly every American will be required to obtain some form of health care coverage or face a penalty under the individual mandate.

"This day is as important as the day the law was ******, which is as important as the day Medicare and Medicaid came into existence in 1965. This is a historic moment for American health care," said Donald Berwick, who ran the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services until last year under Obama and helped implement big components of the law.

"Now, we can set about the job of making health care what it can be and, most importantly, I continue to feel that the biggest step our country is taking at the moment is toward health care as a human right," Berwick added.

The health care reform law could still disappear, however, because Republicans in Congress and Mitt Romney, the GOP presidential nominee, have vowed to repeal it. For the time being, however, the Obama administration is free to carry out the law.

Major work remains to be done. The Obama administration still has to implement the biggest, most complex parts of the law. Health insurance "exchange" marketplaces have to be established in many states, and the federal government will prepare to step in for states that aren't ready or refuse to set them up. The administration also has to erect a system for enrolling people eligible for expanded Medicaid benefits or tax credits in order to subsidize private health insurance. The Medicaid expansion could ultimately be smaller than Congress intended because the Supreme Court ruled that states, which manage and partly finance Medicaid, can choose not to cover more people.

The private sector will also have to adapt. In addition to the new federal regulatory structure for health insurance companies that are selling plans to individuals, families and small businesses, the law is packed with provisions designed to change the way health care is delivered and financed. The aim is to streamline the system by cutting waste, improving safety and using Medicare's clout over the market to direct payments to treatments that are most effective and efficient.

"Whether it actually will make care better for patients and reduce costs, we still don't really know," Berwick said. "This industry still has got to go through a massive change in the way it does its work so that patients are better off and costs fall at the same time, and we don't yet know if the leadership and capacity and will to do that actually lies within the system."
 

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Supreme Court Health Care Decision Preserves Biggest Expansion Of Coverage In 45 Years

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/28/supreme-court-health-care-decision_n_1634217.html

"Whether it [Obamacare] actually will make care better for patients and reduce costs, we still don't really know," Berwick said. "This industry still has got to go through a massive change in the way it does its work so that patients are better off and costs fall at the same time, and we don't yet know if the leadership and capacity and will to do that actually lies within the system."

With some sarcasm, How can you not know if it'll make care better and prices lower?

Just go look at the other countries with socialized medicine for your answer. (cough, worse, cough, more expensive, cough, fancy Europeans coming to our country to get away from the system they instituted and get medical care that their lower-class countrymen can't because they don't have the vast wealth or influence, although that'll end now because they'll have no where to go, cough There must be some dust in here, he says as he waves nothing away)

I WILL NOT COMPLY
 
Why are you so happy Obamacare was upheld by the Supreme Court? It doesn't mean better healthcare for you, or cheaper healthcare. It just means you have to pay more in taxes.
 
While I'm pleased this was upheld, this is likely not the best way to start a dialogue on this topic...

However, let's give it a go, shall we?


Is this a boon for President Obama? Is this something that will prevent Obamacare from being a thorn in his side during the campaign? Will he now be able to say, while in debate with Candidate Romney, "This went to the highest court in the land, and was voted on by conservatives and liberals alike, and was found to be constitutional."

I think it is but a ***** win for the President. It will be interesting to see what happens to the polls following this. 9 of the top 10 polls have Obama with a lead, albeit a slim lead. The tenth has him tied with Romney. Before this news, Romney was tied or behind according to virtually all polls (even Fox news' poll). If this doesn't create a spike in the sitting President's popularity, I think it will become a non-issue for the campaign.

Discuss.

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Oh come on, Sam. This is merely stupid.

 
Suck it bitches!:thefinger

Uncalled for and out of line IMO. Without a "conservative" (CJ John Roberts), this decision would have gone the other way and Roberts is definitely a CONSERVATIVE. Showed a lot of guts and objectivity for him to overcome what is quite likely his own personal bias against Obamacare.
 
Why are you so happy Obamacare was upheld by the Supreme Court? It doesn't mean better healthcare for you, or cheaper healthcare. It just means you have to pay more in taxes.

If you want to have good health, education, roads, and social protection, these public services have to be paid for, and that requires high taxes. It's obvious that a country needs to spend its money well, and thats true whether we're talking about the private or public sector
 

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Is this a boon for President Obama? Is this something that will prevent Obamacare from being a thorn in his side during the campaign? Will he now be able to say, while in debate with Candidate Romney, "This went to the highest court in the land, and was voted on by conservatives and liberals alike, and was found to be constitutional."

I think it is but a ***** win for the President. It will be interesting to see what happens to the polls following this. 9 of the top 10 polls have Obama with a lead, albeit a slim lead. The tenth has him tied with Romney. Before this news, Romney was tied or behind according to virtually all polls (even Fox news' poll). If this doesn't create a spike in the sitting President's popularity, I think it will become a non-issue for the campaign.

Discuss.

If anything, it'll make it a bigger issue because now the only way out is at the ballot box. And Obama can't run saying "Vote for me, because I signed an unpopular and controversial (and unconstitutional) bill that was shoved through Congress with lies and broken promises at Christmas and that 60% of Americans want repealed before they've even had a taste of its horrors in bureaucracy and lack of care."

If it had gone the other way, he could have run with "Four white, rich men and an uncle tom just took your 'free' health care away. Vote for me so I can replace them. Or just ignore that pesky old document written by dead, rich white guys that owned slaves I'm a scholar of, and do what I want. Just like La Raza (I think it was them) were chanting for me to do during a speech I made where I commented that I wished I could just do what I wanted like a dictator, even though I told them I know I can't, as a scholar of that dusty old document that's a 'charter of negative rights,' that says what the government can't do to you, not what it must do to you, just that any power not given expressly to the federal government is reserved for the states so that people can move if they don't like something." Can't now.


I WILL NOT COMPLY
 

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Why are you so happy Obamacare was upheld by the Supreme Court? It doesn't mean better healthcare for you, or cheaper healthcare. It just means you have to pay more in taxes.

Yes it does mean better healthcare. I am a contract worker with a pre-existing condition in my right foot and a pinched nerve in my shoulder that makes my job....very interesting. The foot problem alone is at least $6000 with a month of down time (or so the doctors tell me). Health insurance was fucking impossible. And where was the help from you know-it-all Conservatives? "We want to make healthcare more affordable." No you don't, you lying sacks of ****. You are tools of the pharmaceutical industry and not a single one of you has done anything to help people like me. Especially not your 8-year Messiah. But the good news is all the **** commercials us and our **** get to watch. You guys are really on the job. :thefinger:

Uncalled for and out of line IMO. Without a "conservative" (CJ John Roberts), this decision would have gone the other way and Roberts is definitely a CONSERVATIVE. Showed a lot of guts and objectivity for him to overcome what is quite likely his own personal bias against Obamacare.

No, it showed no guts whatsoever. What this means is that every once in a while, even a Conservative finds himself not being able to run from the truth. What do you want, a fucking parade?

Let's not run from another truth: If Obamacare had been Bushcare or McCainCare, you guys would be squirting yoursef silly over it and your boy Sam would be calling everyone who dared to challenge it a socialist Commu-****.
 
If anything, it'll make it a bigger issue because now the only way out is at the ballot box. And Obama can't run saying "Vote for me, because I signed an unpopular and controversial (and unconstitutional) bill that was shoved through Congress with lies and broken promises at Christmas and that 60% of Americans want repealed before they've even had a taste of its horrors in bureaucracy and lack of care."

If it had gone the other way, he could have run with "Four white, rich men and an uncle tom just took your 'free' health care away. Vote for me so I can replace them. Or just ignore that pesky old document written by dead, rich white guys that owned slaves I'm a scholar of, and do what I want. Just like La Raza (I think it was them) were chanting for me to do during a speech I made where I commented that I wished I could just do what I wanted like a dictator, even though I told them I know I can't, as a scholar of that dusty old document that's a 'charter of negative rights,' that says what the government can't do to you, not what it must do to you, just that any power not given expressly to the federal government is reserved for the states so that people can move if they don't like something." Can't now.


I WILL NOT COMPLY

It is NOT unconstitutional. Some of the finest legal minds in the nation, the ones charged with upholding the highest challenges to the law in our nation, determined that. Didn't you read the news? Or do you think that your opinion is more legally sound than that of the supreme court?
 
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