why i am not a muslim

[Johan]

again most of them come to our countrys for our system (not because they like us) when you see on the TV all the shit they do and see those french idiot ''touche pas a mon pote'' sorry but somewhere they deserve to get their head off.

Except refugees, all immigrants go to another country for the system, noty because they particulary like the country. It has always been this way.

yes i know Europe i live in France. and i know what i'm talking about, they come in my country, we do everything for them (they're the first who find jobs, french people can't die to the street no ones care) the worst people create place for giving food to poor people and some arab come searching with their big BMW...
they work some month then they stay at home (they receive money for doing nothin) when the time is off they return working and do it again they makes 10 kids because once again they receive money for my country (is ain't nice?) also when you open the TV and watch the news in over 90% when someone comit a crime is an arab guy (that's their way to thank us)
but you're right keep licking theire's asses.

So many shit I don't know where to start...

they're the first who find jobs

You must be kiddin' !

french people can't die to the street no ones care

Just look at the face of the homeless, not many of them are white french... and people do cre, they are hundred of associations who try to help these people

they work some month then they stay at home (they receive money for doing nothin) when the time is off they return working and do it again

Many white people do it as well

they makes 10 kids because once again they receive money for

Actually traditionl christians famillies do have lots of kids as well. And arabic families are not the ones who have many kids, mostly 3 or 4. The ones who make the more kids are Western-Africa families. Most of them are christians.

when you open the TV and watch the news in over 90% when someone comit a crime is an arab guy

TV news = lies and bullshit. The TV reports crimes that are mostly related to drug traffic, it never reports domestic violence related murders, it rarely reports rape or pedophilia, which are rarely commited by arabs but mostly by white men.



Anyway, "arab" is a race, "muslim" is a religion (which most followers are not even arabs) so we're clearly off-topic...

 

[CrimsonBolt]

Guess you decided to be a hopeless hater. No use trying to talk sense to you.

yeah, yeah they cuts European's and American's heads (for no reason) but it doesn't matter.

another exemple
they bullying people at school and if you punch one of them you will be sure than the next day he gonna come with his 4 brothers and his 9 cousins for beating the hell of you.
stay in your blind world, the day the your child coming back home with a bloody face, or if they kill someone that you care of it maybe you've would finally open your goddamn eyes.

 

[Johan]

they bullying people at school and if you punch one of them you will be sure than the next day he gonna come with his 4 brothers and his 9 cousins for beating the hell of you.

But white kids never bully anyone. And if you punch a white kid in the face, the next day he'll bring you cookies...

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

when and how did you check about Islam? and what EXACTLY did you find out?
Calling Muslims stupid is racist and of course it is stupid. do you know that Muslims population is about 20% of world population?
I'm not an asshole, actually I think you are a closed-minded asshole. you simply called over billion people stupid.

Stupid people of every race follow Islam. If I had made my claim against a RACE of people, you fucking idiot, then you could call me a racist. But I didn't do that. I made the statements about a RELIGION. Distinguish between the two, you moron. Assuming that someone is referring to Arabs when there's a discussion about Islam is racist. You racist asshole.

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But white kids never bully anyone. And if you punch a white kid in the face, the next day he'll bring you cookies...

Sounds a lot like U.S. foreign policy for the last six years.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Muslim is a religion, not a race. I could convert to become Muslim. My race is still Caucasian. If someone was intolerant to me being a Muslim they could be anti-Islamic but they are not coming after me for being a Caucasian.

If you are a Christian man and married a Jewish woman who did not want a Christmas tree in the house would she be racist? She's no more racist than you not wanting dreidels laying around. Let's just hope the nice, non-racist couple find a middle ground so there is peace in their home.

 

[CrimsonBolt]

But white kids never bully anyone. And if you punch a white kid in the face, the next day he'll bring you cookies...

i get beated in school sometimes but i never told someone to come with me the next day for fighting back...
and same thing from the other white guys that have fighted is between me and him and nobody else.

you won't admit because your brother is married to a muslim lady, that's all yeah maybe she's sweet but most of them hate white people

also i like to see the fact that everybody eluded what happen to our poor guy who lost their head. (like i said it doesn't matter if a white guy lost his life)

now i just gonna shut my mouth, cause obviously people are too dumb to see what's coming out.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

But white kids never bully anyone. And if you punch a white kid in the face, the next day he'll bring you cookies...

I'm not sure what White kids do in America. You tell us since you know. Don't be racist while you're categorizing either.

 

[sean miguel]

There's a lot to take issue with about Muhammad, but this particular one is extremely weak.
Child brides were common throughout the world at that time, including in Christian nations,
As a matter of fact, as late as 1880 (1,250 years after Muhammad's death) the age of consent in the United States varied from a low of 7 to a high of 12 , with 10 being the most common.

So you're applying moral relativism to a religion that denounces moral relativism. Okay.

And slavery was common throughout the world at one time but it's poltically correct to denounce slavery and those who practiced it but not so with Muhammad.

If you're a muslim, the founder of your religion was a 53-year-old man diddling a 9-year-old little girl.

 

[Johan]

I'm not sure what White kids do in America. You tell us since you know. Don't be racist while you're categorizing either.

ObsessedByDark lives in France, speak of France as "my country", I guess he's french. So when he speaks about kids bullying, I guess he talks about what happens in France, so since I live infrance too, I can answer him about what happens in France...

 

[hornyhuman]

Stupid people of every race follow Islam. If I had made my claim against a RACE of people, you fucking idiot, then you could call me a racist. But I didn't do that. I made the statements about a RELIGION. Distinguish between the two, you moron. Assuming that someone is referring to Arabs when there's a discussion about Islam is racist. You racist asshole.

well, you are making my point here. you AGAIN called every Muslim in the world stupid, that only means you are a racist. you concluded that over a billion people in the world are stupid just because they follow a specific religion which by the way you seem to know nothing about it. That only means you are stupid with closed mind.

 

[georges]

Except refugees, all immigrants go to another country for the system, noty because they particulary like the country. It has always been this way.

So many shit I don't know where to start... You must be kiddin' !
Just look at the face of the homeless, not many of them are white french... and people do cre, they are hundred of associations who try to help these people
Many white people do it as well
Actually traditionl christians famillies do have lots of kids as well. And arabic families are not the ones who have many kids, mostly 3 or 4. The ones who make the more kids are Western-Africa families. Most of them are christians.
TV news = lies and bullshit. The TV reports crimes that are mostly related to drug traffic, it never reports domestic violence related murders, it rarely reports rape or pedophilia, which are rarely commited by arabs but mostly by white men.

Anyway, "arab" is a race, "muslim" is a religion (which most followers are not even arabs) so we're clearly off-topic...

I see the profile of a typical dumb and blind hollande voter in that post. The problem is the law of the right of soil was voted by Giscard D'Estaing in 1974 and you forgot the law of family entry and settlement voted by that idiot of Chirac in 2001. It is always the same people who leech off for social helps, welfare and social housing. Obsessed by Dark is right on some points. Mohammed Merah committed murders and another group of three djihadists were arrested not so long ago? So doesn't that ring a bell? As far as it concerns standard of living, when I see someone leeching for social helps and social housing, but driving a bimmer 3, 5 or 7 series or a s class and wearing a +2000$ watch, I always ask myself where does the money come from? Especially if the person lives in the worst suburbs. About jobs, I disagree with Obsessed by Dark but a big bunch of them take off advantage of the unemployment benefit system which is too laxist. White families have far less kids than them and are not on the priority list when family alllowances are paid. Visit the french prisons and you will see who are the felons and what they have been convicted for.

 

[georges]

ObsessedByDark lives in France, speak of France as "my country", I guess he's french. So when he speaks about kids bullying, I guess he talks about what happens in France, so since I live infrance too, I can answer him about what happens in France...

Yes, you live in France but you live in a house of glass endoctrined by the socialist propaganda and you are ignorant and completely blind to what happens. You need a reality check and you are far to be the sharpest pencil in the box. You must be one of these 13% that still support that idiot of Hollande. That tells a lot about you and the way you think.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

ObsessedByDark lives in France, speak of France as "my country", I guess he's french. So when he speaks about kids bullying, I guess he talks about what happens in France, so since I live infrance too, I can answer him about what happens in France...

In that case I owe you an apology. I thought you were taking a shot at us. I apologize.

 

[Supafly]

You must be one of these 13% that still support that idiot of Hollande. That tells a lot about you and the way you think.

Georges, your arguing is weak. In that statement you jump from a guess to a conclusion - That tells a lot about the way you think.

 

[georges]

Georges, your arguing is weak. In that statement you jump from a guess to a conclusion - That tells a lot about the way you think.

If you want the list of Hollande miracles, see how bad he screwed up French economy and the middle class with skyrocketting taxes in a period of two years, let's not also mention how bad criminality has been on the rise . My statement isn't a guess, it reflects the way and the mentality of hollande's voters and supporters.

 

[Supafly]

You stated "You must be... " - that is a guess, Possibly not a wild guess, but still. That is the flaw.

Of course, coming from muslims in general to Hollande, well, I do not know enough about him. Possibly you are correct. Either way, he will soon be history, if I am not guessing wrong.

 

[Johan]

If you want the list of Hollande miracles, see how bad he screwed up French economy and the middle class with skyrocketting taxes in a period of two years, let's not also mention how bad criminality has been on the rise . My statement isn't a guess, it reflects the way and the mentality of hollande's voters and supporters.

I don't think Hollande is particulary responsible for the economy. It takes awhile before you actually see the effects of that kind of policy.
When Jospin was Prime Minister, the economy was good, unemployment was getting lower and lower. Would you give himcredit for that ? I wouldn't. The economy was god in the whole world, Jopin's policy had nothing to do with it. But, when he left, the economy started to go down ? Were Chirac, Raffarin and Villepin responsible ? No, Jospin was : The world economy wasn't as good as it was when Jospin was in office and when it was good, Jospin did nothing. Then Chirac, Raffarin and Villepin had to do the reforms that should have been done when the economy was good.

Anyway, even if I don't think he is responsible for the bad economy, he does nothing to make things better, so Non, I'm not among the 13% that still support him. I never realy supported him. I only voted for him on the 2nd round because I didn't wanted for more years of Sarkozy but I never trusted him to be a good president.

He's the kind of guy who never takes a stand, he always tries not to make anyone unhappy. It doesn't work when you're a state leader, you have to make some choices, hard ones, choice that would make many people unhappy but you gotta make these choices, you can't make it 50-50.

I'm a not brainwashed by socialist propaganda as you said I am. I consider myself a Centrist, I've voted for Bayrou on the 3 presidential elections I participated in. In 2002, on the 2nd round I voted for Chirac (off course). In 2007, I voted for Sarkozy. If it's Sarkozy vs Marine next time, I'm not sure I would even vote... But if Juppé is the candidate for UMP, I would probably vote for him on both rounds.


PS : to all other members, sorry for this long "french politics" argue that anyone who's not french cannot understand...

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

For the exact same reason I'm not a Christian or a catholic or a Buddhist it's all a bullshit waste of time and energy.

 

[mikexmoran]

Well my father was a Catholic. His father was a Catholic. My mother's father was a Catholic. My three brothers are Catholics. Four uncles on my father's side are Catholics --

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

"If the people of this religion [Islam] are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed."

~ Muhammad ibn Zakariyā Rāzī (865 – 925 AD) a Persian physician, alchemist, chemist, philosopher, and scholar.

"I studied the Quran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. As far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion more to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself."

~ Alexis-Charles-Henri Clérel de Tocqueville (1805 – 1859)

"Islam was not a torch, as has been claimed, but an extinguisher. Conceived in a barbarous brain for the use of a barbarous people, it was - and it remains - incapable of adapting itself to civilization. Wherever it has dominated, it has broken the impulse towards progress and checked the evolution of society."

"Islam is a doctrine of death, inasmuch as the spiritual not being separated from the temporal, and every manifestation of activity being subjected to dogmatic law, it formally forbids any change, any evolution, any progress. It condemns all believers to live, to think, and to act as lived, thought and acted the Musulmans of the second century of the Hegira [8th century A.D.], when the law of Islam and its interpretation were definitely fixed.
. . .

In the history of the nations, Islam, a secretion of the Arab brain, has never been an element of civilization, but on the contrary has acted as an extinguisher upon its flickering light. Individuals under Arab rule have only been able to contribute to the advance of civilization in so far as they did not conform to the Musulman dogma, but they relapsed into Arab barbarism as soon as they were obliged to make a complete submission to these dogmas.
. . .
Islamized nations, who have not succeeded in freeing themselves from Musulman tutelage, have been stricken with intellectual paralysis and decadence. They will only escape as they succeed in withdrawing themselves from the control of Musulman law."

~ André Servier

There’s only one faith, for example, that kills you or wants to kill you if you draw a bad cartoon of the prophet. There’s only one faith that kills you or wants to kill you if you renounce the faith... obviously, most Muslim people are not terrorists. But ask most Muslim people in the world, if you insult the prophet, do you have what’s coming to you? It’s more than just a fringe element.

It [Islam] comes from a hate-filled holy book, the Quran, which is taken very literally by its people.

There is one religion in the world that kills you when you disagree with them and they say 'look, we are a religion of peace and if you disagree we'll f**king cut your head off, and nobody calls them on it -- there are very few people that will call them on it. It's like if Dad is a violent drunk and beats his kids, you don't blame the kid because he set Dad off. You blame Dad because he's a violent drunk.

~ notable asshole, Bill Maher

We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam. He is already on the way; he is like Muhammad. The emotion in Germany is Islamic; warlike and Islamic. They are all drunk with a wild god.

~ Carl Jung

[Islam] is essentially an obstructive, intolerant system, supplying just sufficient good to stand in the way of greater good. It has consecrated despotism; it has consecrated polygamy; it has consecrated slavery. It has declared war against every other creed; it has claimed to be at least dominant in every land… When it ceases to have an enemy to contend against, it sinks into sluggish stupidity… It must have an enemy; if cut off, like Persia, from conflict with the infidel, it finds its substitute in sectarian hatred of brother Moslems… By [only] slightly reforming, it has perpetuated and sanctified all the evils of the eastern world. It has, by its aggressive tenets, brought them into more direct antagonism with the creed and civilization of the west.

~ Edward Augustus Freeman (1823 – 1892)

Instead of a perpetual and perfect measure of the divine will, the fragments of the Koran were produced at the discretion of Mahomet; each revelation is suited to the emergencies of his policy or passion; and all contradiction is removed by the saving maxim, that any text of Scripture is abrogated or modified by any subsequent passage.

`~ Edward Gibbon (1737 – 1794)

We're constantly told all cultures are equal, and every belief system is as good as the next. And generally that America was to be known for its flaws rather than its virtues. When you think about what Americans accomplished, building these amazing cities, and all the good its done in the world, it's kind of disheartening to hear so much hatred of America, not just from abroad, but internally... For some reason, nobody seems to be talking about who we're up against, and the sixth century barbarism that they actually represent. These people saw people's heads off. They enslave women, they genitally mutilate their daughters, they do not behave by any cultural norms that are sensible to us. I'm speaking into a microphone that never could have been a product of their culture, and I'm living in a city where three thousand of my neighbors were killed by thieves of airplanes they never could have built.

~ Frank Miller

This is a vile culture and if you think for a second that it's willing to just live in the sands of God's armpit, you've got another thing coming... They want to come and live right where you live and they think that you're evil. Extremism believes that it’s okay to strap bombs onto your children and send them to paradise and whatever else and to behead people... Your dog, however, can walk side by side, your dog is allowed to have its own dog house... You can send your dog to school to learn tricks, sit, beg, do all that stuff - none of the women have that advantage.

~ Notable philosopher Gene Simmons

Islam is very different, being ferociously intolerant. What I may call Manifold Monotheism becomes in the minds of very simple folk an absurdly polytheistic idolatry, just as European peasants not only worship Saints and the Virgin as Gods, but will fight fanatically for their faith in the ugly little black doll who is the Virgin of their own Church against the black doll of the next village. When the Arabs had run this sort of idolatry to such extremes [that] they did this without black dolls and worshipped any stone that looked funny, Mahomet rose up at the risk of his life and insulted the stones shockingly, declaring that there is only one God, Allah, the glorious, the great… And there was to be no nonsense about toleration. You accepted Allah or you had your throat cut by someone who did accept him, and who went to Paradise for having sent you to Hell.

~ George Bernard Shaw

To me it seems certain that the fatalistic teachings of Muhammad and the utter degradation of women is the outstanding cause for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have kept on developing.

~ George Patton

The Qur’an claims for itself that it is ‘mubeen,’ or clear, but if you just look at it, you will see that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn’t make sense. Many Muslims will tell you otherwise, but the fact is that a fifth of the Qur’an is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Qur’an is not comprehensible, if it can’t even be understood in Arabic, then it’s not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid.

~ Gerd Puin

This book is a long conference of God, the angels, and Mahomet, which that false prophet very grossly invented; sometimes he introduceth God, who speaketh to him, and teacheth him his law, then an angel, among the prophets, and frequently maketh God to speak in the plural. … Thou wilt wonder that such absurdities have infected the best part of the world, and wilt avouch, that the knowledge of what is contained in this book, will render that law contemptible …

~ John Adams

We may summarize the Kalacakra tantra's perception of Islamic beliefs and practices as follows: from the Buddhist point of view Islam is demonic and perverse, a perfect anti-religion which is the antithesis of Buddhism.

~ John R. Newman

Arabs have never invented anything except Islam... they have made absolutely no addition to the ancient heritage of Greco-Latin civilization.

~ Louis Bertrand

Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.

~ Manuel II Palaiologos or Palaeologus (1350 – 1425) Byzantine Emperor

That is a simple rule, and easy to remember. When I, a thoughtful and unblessed Presbyterian, examine the Koran, I know that beyond any question every Mohammedan is insane; not in all things, but in religious matters.

~ notable asshole Samuel Longhorne Clemens

Shortly after 9/11, there was a book published called How Did This Happen? that included an essay by Karen Armstrong in which she said a world religion has been hijacked by this band of fanatics. I don’t buy that for a minute.

~ Michael Cook, Professor of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University

Allah, perchance, the secret word might spell;
If Allah be, He keeps His secret well;
 What He hath hidden, who shall hope to find?
Shall God His secret to a maggot tell?
…
The Koran! well, come put me to the test—
Lovely old book in hideous error drest—
 Believe me, I can quote the Koran too,
The unbeliever knows his Koran best.

And do you think that unto such as you,
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew,
 God gave the secret, and denied it me?—
Well, well, what matters it! believe that too.

~ Omar Khayyam

People have to realize that having an imaginary friend may be dangerous. When 9/11 hit, the second thing I said to myself was, “This really is what religious people do.” Those people flying the plane were very good, very pious, truly faithful believers. There’s no other way to paint them. Of course, they are extremists by definition, but they certainly aren’t going against Islam in any real way.

... we haven't tackled Islam because we have families [...] and I think the worst thing you can say about a group in a free society is that you’re afraid to talk about it—I can’t think of anything more horrific. [...] Teller and I have been brutal to Christians, and their response shows that they’re good f**king Americans who believe in freedom of speech. We attack them all the time, and we still get letters that say, “We appreciate your passion. Sincerely yours, in Christ.” Christians come to our show at the Rio and give us Bibles all the time. They’re incredibly kind to us ..

Notable bullshitter Penn Jillette

A very important factor which is making it almost impossible for Hindu-Muslim unity to become an accomplished fact is that the Muslim can not confine their patriotism to any one country. I had frankly asked the Muslims whether in the event of any Mohammedan power invading India, would they [Muslims] stand side by side with their Hindu neighbors to defend their common land or join the invaders. I was not satisfied with the reply I have obtained from them… Even such a man as Mr. Mohammed Ali has declared that under no circumstances is it permissible for any Mohammedan, whatever be his country, to stand against any Mohammedan.

~ Rabindranath Tagore

Islam deserves criticism on account of the logical consequences of its dogma, namely, that the murder of fellow human beings is to be rewarded with sensual pleasure in a hedonistic “Paradise”—a concept born in the fantasies of an Arab rebel some fourteen centuries ago. The religion of Mohammed is a dangerous system when the teachings and example of the “prophet” are believed and followed.

It’s almost impossible to say anything against Islam in this country, because you are accused of being racist or Islamophobic.

~ notable asshole Richard Dawkins

Of course this is "about Islam." The question is, what exactly does that mean? After all, most religious belief isn't very theological. Most Muslims are not profound Koranic analysts. For a vast number of "believing" Muslim men, "Islam" stands, in a jumbled, half-examined way, not only for the fear of God -- the fear more than the love, one suspects -- but also for a cluster of customs, opinions and prejudices that include their dietary practices; the sequestration or near-sequestration of "their" women; the sermons delivered by their mullahs of choice; a loathing of modern society in general, riddled as it is with music, godlessness and sex; and a more particularized loathing (and fear) of the prospect that their own immediate surroundings could be taken over -- "Westoxicated" -- by the liberal Western-style way of life.

~ Salman Rushdie

Anyone familiar with my work knows that I am extremely critical of all religious faiths. I have argued elsewhere that the ascendancy of Christian conservatism in American politics should terrify and embarrass us. And yet, there are gradations to the evil that is done in name of God, and these gradations must be honestly observed. So let us now make sense of the impossible by acknowledging the obvious: there is a direct link between the doctrine of Islam and Muslim terrorism. Acknowledging this link remains especially taboo among political liberals.

Islam, more than any other religion human beings have devised, has all the makings of a thoroughgoing cult of death.

The penalty for apostasy is death. We would do well to linger over this fact for a moment, because it is the black pearl of intolerance that no liberal exegesis will ever fully digest.

There is no such thing as Islamophobia. Bigotry and racism exist, of course—and they are evils that all well-intentioned people must oppose. And prejudice against Muslims or Arabs, purely because of the accident of their birth, is despicable. But like all religions, Islam is a system of ideas and practices. And it is not a form of bigotry or racism to observe that the specific tenets of the faith pose a special threat to civil society. Nor is it a sign of intolerance to notice when people are simply not being honest about what they and their co-religionists believe.

~ Sam Harris

So many people can't live their childhood properly because of him [Muhammad]. So many people are sufferers of his disasters. So many people know what's right as wrong and what's wrong as right because they think the darkness that he chose exists. Human emotions and human creations haven't progressed in many ways, because of him.

~ Turan Dursun, formerly the Mufti of Sivas, before becoming an atheist and his eventual assassination.

Qur’an… an accursed book… So long as there is this book there will be no peace in the world.

~ William Ewart Gladstone

England is a cesspit. England is the breeding ground of fundamentalist Muslims. Its social logic is to allow all religions to preach openly. But this is illogic, because none of the other religions preach apocalyptic violence. And yet England allows it. Remember, that country was the breeding ground for communism, too. Karl Marx did all his work in libraries there.
. . .

We should assemble all those who are pure and cannot abide other faiths, put them all in rockets, and fire them into space.
. . .
A virus has attacked the world of sense and sensibility, and it has spread to Nigeria.
. . .
The assumption of power over life and death then passed to every single inconsequential Muslim in the world-as if someone had given them a new stature...Al Qaeda is the descendent of this phenomenon. The proselytization of Islam became vigorous after this. People went to Saudi Arabia. Madrassas were established everywhere.

~ Wole Soyinka

Aloha Snack Bar

~ Me.