Unlike many people around here, I do see some credibility in your foreign policy, Legz. Part of me wants to just say "nuke em to hell" as well. But we have to worry about what our "allied" nations think of us. If we nuke Iraq, think about what that would do to gas prices. It CAN be worse. Saudi Arabia wouldn't ship us barrel one of oil. If I thought that Iran was ready to launch nukes at us, then I would say we should nuke them first. But there's no evidence that they really have that capability. I would rather scare them into complying to what WE want. I think if we start threatening war with them, we could get them to do a lot of things we want. If we can accomplish our objectives without war, wouldn't that be better? If we nuke them for almost no reason other than they could nuke us, many countries would probably put economic sanctions on us. In this modern world, the US can not exist (at our current level of comfort) on its own, with no help or importing from the outside world. I think we still have to be careful what other countries think of what we do.
What should the West do about Iran?
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Unlike many people around here, I do see some credibility in your foreign policy, Legz. Part of me wants to just say "nuke em to hell" as well. But we have to worry about what our "allied" nations think of us. If we nuke Iraq, think about what that would do to gas prices. It CAN be worse. Saudi Arabia wouldn't ship us barrel one of oil. If I thought that Iran was ready to launch nukes at us, then I would say we should nuke them first. But there's no evidence that they really have that capability. I would rather scare them into complying to what WE want. I think if we start threatening war with them, we could get them to do a lot of things we want. If we can accomplish our objectives without war, wouldn't that be better? If we nuke them for almost no reason other than they could nuke us, many countries would probably put economic sanctions on us. In this modern world, the US can not exist (at our current level of comfort) on its own, with no help or importing from the outside world. I think we still have to be careful what other countries think of what we do.
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McRocket had it right. You can't go around pre-emptively invading every country you consider a threat, and expect the world to just fall in lockstep with US foreign policy. That's not realistic. You can't have the "blow them to hell" mentality, and then totally ignore the consequences. If we keep up this imperialist bullshit, it really will be the US against the world. Quite frankly, I'd rather not have all the nukes in the world aimed at us. But if we keep defying international law at every turn, that's exactly what's going to happen. If you haven't noticed, our allies have been not so slowly distancing themselves from us ever since Bush's second term began. Diplomacy is always the best policy - war should be the last resort in all cases.
Think gas is high now start a major with Iran and see what happens.Sure we can use air power and destroy a lot of their infrastrure which would include their oil wells.But while were doin that they will be doing things like trying to block the straits that all the super tankers come through.Nuke em is out of the question ,once those things are used it will get out of control.Other countries that have nukes will be drawn into it.
The President of Iran talks trash for domestic consumption I think about Isreal.He knows he attacks Israel they will get that times ten back.And as even DVC has said time is really on the Arabs and persians side in all this.Just the demographics of Israel ( a country about the size of my state NJ with about a million less people at 7 million) surrounded by an ever growing population of its neighbors which number in the 100s of millions.They will just be overwhelmed at some point by the demographics.The Iranians are going to be a power we have to deal with as best we can in the region.Use carrots and sticks but for sure we don't want a war in the area of the world that is so key with so much oil.Actaully I think it should be clear now that major wars are probably a thing of the past.The world is so interconnected that even winners will be losers if we ever have another one.Think about what it would mean if large % of gulf oil was off line for some time.The world uses basically almost every barrel produced and the gulf produces the most.
The President of Iran talks trash for domestic consumption I think about Isreal.He knows he attacks Israel they will get that times ten back.And as even DVC has said time is really on the Arabs and persians side in all this.Just the demographics of Israel ( a country about the size of my state NJ with about a million less people at 7 million) surrounded by an ever growing population of its neighbors which number in the 100s of millions.They will just be overwhelmed at some point by the demographics.The Iranians are going to be a power we have to deal with as best we can in the region.Use carrots and sticks but for sure we don't want a war in the area of the world that is so key with so much oil.Actaully I think it should be clear now that major wars are probably a thing of the past.The world is so interconnected that even winners will be losers if we ever have another one.Think about what it would mean if large % of gulf oil was off line for some time.The world uses basically almost every barrel produced and the gulf produces the most.
we are just fucked that is all there is too it.you cant deal with those people. especialy with he greedy crooked fucks that run our govt.what we should do is cut off all foriegn aid how ever many trillions of dollars that is. and you could take care of every fuckin problem this country has.but youll never see that happen cause of all the skimming and kickbacks and what not. fuck everything, fuck the whole fucking world, fuck us,fuck me fuck iran, fuck oil ,fuck port ****, fuck mcdonalds FUCK EVERTHING!!!!!
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America and western values are somewhat popular in Iran, believe it or not. If it weren't for the ayatollahs, America and the west would have a better connection with the people of Iran. The general population are subjects of the horrendous regime.
If bubba hadn't (and I **** to drag him into this "thing") dismembered America's intellegence infrastructure, we'd be tracking †this fucker . . yesterday !
†mahmoud a-mad-jihad
If bubba hadn't (and I **** to drag him into this "thing") dismembered America's intellegence infrastructure, we'd be tracking †this fucker . . yesterday !
†mahmoud a-mad-jihad
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It is imperative that we "clean drill" (technology) our own resources in the event that something flares up . . and bet that it will !
Oh, It's much more than "trash". "A-mad-man's" strategy is somewhat one of acceptance, if he says so enough times it won't even be as much of a brow raiser. Normalize the notion that he'll do something . . normalize . . normalize . . normalize.
I wish that I had your optimism. Most (countries) would rather turn cheek . . not engage and hope that either "*somebody else" will take him out or just maintain hope that . . (?) This false hope along with the feckless pussies . . or bought and paid for whores more likely, within the united nations establishment is precisely why we're in this predicament today.
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IMO -friday said:
Oh, It's much more than "trash". "A-mad-man's" strategy is somewhat one of acceptance, if he says so enough times it won't even be as much of a brow raiser. Normalize the notion that he'll do something . . normalize . . normalize . . normalize.
friday said:
I wish that I had your optimism. Most (countries) would rather turn cheek . . not engage and hope that either "*somebody else" will take him out or just maintain hope that . . (?) This false hope along with the feckless pussies . . or bought and paid for whores more likely, within the united nations establishment is precisely why we're in this predicament today.
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I more or less agree with Legzman's preemptive strike policy. Striking a few strategic targets would get the point across to Ahmadinejad that the US isn't fucking around, and that we won't take empty threats or intimidation tactics. However, as several people have stated, that would only turn the rest of the world against us. The best course of action is one that the US has taken in the past: ****** one of its own ships and make it seem like Iran was the original aggressor. Then we could legally "retaliate" without fear of consequences, since our actions were "provoked" and were merely a "retaliation" of what they did to us.
How does minding our own business harmonize with your previous assertion that we should just go ahead and nuke the "sand ******s"?
Yes, I'm sure that particularly in the **** of the WMD fiasco the rest of the world would be completely taken in by such an original (and ethical) act
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Because either nuke em or don't even acknowledge them. One way or the other is fine by me. Anything in between is just bullshit!
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Can I please nominate Legzman for diplomat of the year?
Fuck me. Thats the most backwards and retarded comment I can think of for the middle east
Fuck me. Thats the most backwards and retarded comment I can think of for the middle east
take all their sluts, and hookers and bring them here!!! let them have gay sex and let us have this
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As much as I nod my head in appreciation of Hedgehog's post #9 in this thread, I am tempted to state:
Q: What should the West do about Iran?
A:
1. Why should the "West" do anything at all about Iran?
2. Does "West" = "United States" ?
3. If point #2 is true, I revert to point #1 - why is it any of our problem?
4. Who gave this mandate to the US to "spread Democracy" or "police the world"?? Such sentiment is not expressed in our founding documents.
5. Imagine if China was urging Mexico to take back a part of Texas based on 'historical evidence' ... wouldn't we be pissed? Wouldn't we be mad that another country was involving itself in our sovereign affairs?
What makes us think that bullying another nation wouldn't have the same effects?
6. The terrorists that hit us on 9/11 mostly came from Saudi Arabia. What the hell does Iran have anything to do with this?
7. Isn't North Korea ruled by a crack pot dictator? With proven nuclear/missile capabilities? Isn't she a bigger threat to our 'security' than Iran with no nukes and no delivery vehicle?
I could continue to ask a dozen more questions but I'll stop.
I'll stop because my questions - and the debate from said questions - ought to be part and parcel of Congress and it's sessions. Congress represents the people. It is in their rights and powers to decide war and it's policy. We have got to STOP paying homage to the Presidential Idol In Chief - be he George Bush, Be he Republican, Be he Democrat, Be he whoever!!!
Government is supposed to WORK for US.
Not the other way around!
- R.
Q: What should the West do about Iran?
A:
1. Why should the "West" do anything at all about Iran?
2. Does "West" = "United States" ?
3. If point #2 is true, I revert to point #1 - why is it any of our problem?
4. Who gave this mandate to the US to "spread Democracy" or "police the world"?? Such sentiment is not expressed in our founding documents.
5. Imagine if China was urging Mexico to take back a part of Texas based on 'historical evidence' ... wouldn't we be pissed? Wouldn't we be mad that another country was involving itself in our sovereign affairs?
What makes us think that bullying another nation wouldn't have the same effects?
6. The terrorists that hit us on 9/11 mostly came from Saudi Arabia. What the hell does Iran have anything to do with this?
7. Isn't North Korea ruled by a crack pot dictator? With proven nuclear/missile capabilities? Isn't she a bigger threat to our 'security' than Iran with no nukes and no delivery vehicle?
I could continue to ask a dozen more questions but I'll stop.
I'll stop because my questions - and the debate from said questions - ought to be part and parcel of Congress and it's sessions. Congress represents the people. It is in their rights and powers to decide war and it's policy. We have got to STOP paying homage to the Presidential Idol In Chief - be he George Bush, Be he Republican, Be he Democrat, Be he whoever!!!
Government is supposed to WORK for US.
Not the other way around!
- R.
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ok seriously do you guys even know what would happen if we nuked Iran ?? simple but it really isn't. i say let them shoot there missles.. they got none that can reach us anywayz. lets ****** mexico and defeat them so we can add 25 more states making the U.S. more powerful than ever, economic, health wise and educated. then we ******. if someone gets assinated in the next two years
WW III is here.. guaranteed
WW III is here.. guaranteed
The West should not provoke Iran (as Condi Rice has been trying to lately). Iran should be reminded that they can't just act like...ahem...and invade or ****** countries that have done nothing to them.
Diplomatic negotiations, and lots of 'em.
Diplomatic negotiations, and lots of 'em.
Make a deal with their leader to get some cheap oil. Attacking this country will one of the biggest mistakes the USA will ever make. Iran's leader will destroy Israel and then turn his remaining resources on the US. We all lose. Millions dead and no one gets the oil that will be full of radiation.:yinyang:
Israeli analystwtf?suggests turning nuclear Iran against Egypt.
He argues that Shia dominance is prefereable to the Sunni's.
See this: http://samsonblinded.org/blog/use-iran-against-egypt.htm
He argues that Shia dominance is prefereable to the Sunni's.
See this: http://samsonblinded.org/blog/use-iran-against-egypt.htm
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His missiles can't reach the US, and by the time he gets his Amazon.com order for Chinese missiles the Americans and British would already be in the country.
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