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What If The America's Were Not Colonized
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yeah, that's right... Nothing to do with the us being idiots. Lets have a more accurate perspective from someone who, as an america-hating European, knows the truth:
Why america is no longer a superpower:
1: Your economy is fucked
2: Your Military is weak and poorly organised.
3: Your people are using their unconditional love for their country.
Why Europeans hate america:
1: During the Suez crisis america used it's strong economy to force England and France to abandon their takeover bid of the Suez canal because it had spent so long heckling the Soviets over their activities in Afghanistan and when England and France embarked upon the venture the Soviet Union simply turned around, pointed at the us and shouted "Hypocrites!"
2: Shortly after WW2 Nato EVERYBODY realised that it was time to downsize to intermediate calibre rifle rounds.
During WW2 the Germans developed the STG44.
Post WW2 the Soviets fielded the AK47.
Post WW2 the British were working on a bullpup rifle using a new British .280 round.
america then showed up with the 7.62 round and it's M14.
america then used NATO to enforce universal NATO adoption of the round in all NATO service rifles.
The 7.62 is also used as a sniper-rifle round and the average soldier cannot control the power of this round in everyday close combat situations - 7.62 is completely impractical for a service rifle.
Approximately 2 years later (correct me if I recall wrong) the americans then produced the M16 in 5.56... A big slap in the face to the rest of the world.
3: americans insist an american general always commands NATO forces. american generals are so good they supported the adoption of the Stryker, the M1 Abrams, the Growler and the Failure 22 Raptor air supremacy fighter.
4: americans are arrogant (as exemplified by your post); always acting as though they saved the world from Hitler and the reds. The truth is that during the 2nd world war the allied powers had a saying:
"When the Germans shoot, the allies duck,
when the Allies shoot, the Germans duck,
but when the americans shoot, everybody ducks."
Little has changed.
Not only that, but the only reason america helped Europe fight Hitler is because they feared that should he be victorious they would be facing a Europe united under Hitlers Germany in combat - not a good proposition.
5: americans are constantly claiming they invented things that the Europeans did, eg the Harrier jump jet and the cruise missile.
6: americans rarely display any humility or gratitude:
Aside from fear of facing a Euro-reich the americans also gave aid to the allies because the British gave them jet technology and radar... You're welcome by the way
7: americans have used measures to interfere in the developments of their allies; forcing a stop on the development of Britain's BAC TSR 2 and Israel's F4X Recon phantom.
8: You never, ever find it necessary to ask an american:
"I'm sorry, could you say that again? I couldn't quite hear you..."
You are LOUD
And that's even worse when you see americans at Acropolis saying; "There's no way this building can be that old, no way anybody built anything before america did..."
9: america is well known for being corrupt both morally, politically and financially, polluting and allowing big business to run riot.
10: america is the home of rap music. What greater reason do you need?
I could list more reasons, but I feel that 10 will suffice for now.
And by the way, wether you admit it or not; it is you americans who envy Europe, not the other way round.
Fuck Europe who gives a flip what those pussies think.:thefinger
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
This statement is american-whining;
"We saved the world and we are angels-incarnate and have never done anything wrong ever, why oh why does the rest of the world hate us?"
How shall I put this; If the majority of the world hates one country, statistically, who do you think is more likely to be in the right;
A: 1 country
B: The very many other countries who can't stand that one country.
Euro-whining that is entirely un-provoked right.
By the way, any time you want to respond to my cogent, coherant and truthful statements factually and accurately, you're welcome to do so... But no, you think it's entirely reasonable to insist you didn't say anything inflammatory and it was all me.
Damn Eurotrash; if they're not being cheese-eating surrender monkeys they're provoking you, eh?
rolleyes:
Which part of the new world is not colonized? Do you know?
The answer is Afghanistan (except the British took control of the cities only !)
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
At least we think :thefinger:
Yeah, that's right, Europeans are pussies.
Never mind that Ivan the terrible was a European - and many other tough men.
Not to mention the fact that so many americans have European blood, which logically makes them pussies too.
Way to form a coherant argument for your statement there... does your community give your mother free condoms?
At least we think :thefinger:
Yeah, that's right, Europeans are pussies.
Never mind that Ivan the terrible was a European - and many other tough men.
Not to mention the fact that so many americans have European blood, which logically makes them pussies too.
Way to form a coherant argument for your statement there... does your community give your mother free condoms?
Yes logically it makes Americans Europeans but technically we aren't. Ivan the Terrible? It's sad you have go back hundreds of years to find a tough European.:1orglaugh
Mayhem
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Man, someone woke up on the wrong side of the baguette this morning. And your statements are a far cry from "cogent, coherant and truthful". You really are coming off as hysterical on this, and I'm sorry for that, but it's not my fault.
The majority of the world does not hate us, and when you calm down, you'll admit that I'm right. But, to be quite honest, go right ahead and hate us all you want. I dug up some oldies but goodies that I posted a while back that states my position:
So you see, I'm actually agreeing with you. :hatsoff:
The majority of the world does not hate us, and when you calm down, you'll admit that I'm right. But, to be quite honest, go right ahead and hate us all you want. I dug up some oldies but goodies that I posted a while back that states my position:
So you see, I'm actually agreeing with you. :hatsoff:
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
I don't, it's just that I know that you americans have a rather poor approach to history studies (creationism, anyone? And they act as though WE are backwards...) and so I chose the first suitably tough name that sprung to mind.
Frankly, we both know that there are litterally millions of tough Europeans and litterally millions of them are capable of kicking your arse.
Nice try...... If only I was French.... no Europe is not composed entirely of the French. :frenchman
My arguments, frankly, 100% cogent coherant and truthful, which is why you've not been able to refute them, you just say "that's incorrect" but don't give a reason why. The reason for this is because I'm correct.
Sure I'm coming off as hysterical *laughs* Better than coming off as a stereotypical yank who can't form a valid argument to support his statements (this isn't the first time I've prompted you to do so, is it?).
Oh yeah, the majority of the world hates you. With good reason
You americans are welcome to butt out of the rest of the world and go back to isolationism - we've seen how well you're capable of looking after yourself in that position.
OK, we agree... Lets not splash a big off topic argument (that you will inevitably lose) all over this thread?
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maildude
Postal Paranoiac
My mom, rest in peace, used to say the same thing. And she was Canadian!
Mayhem
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It's rich that an Englishman is trying to school us on hate. The British Empire was a geo-political fiasco perpetrated by murderers, thieves and thugs. Everything they touched turned to shit the moment they got involved. Vodkaz whines about US interference with foreign countries. Care to explain, well, just about everything your country did starting from the 1580s onward. This would include introducing the slave trade to N. America and the West Indies. Thanks for that, by the way, and I'm sure Africa wants to buy your next pot of tea. Every colony you people settled worldwide were nothing more that brutal occupying forces that fucked over every populace it came into contact with. Until they finally booted your asses out. And for all this talk about who hates the US, nothing in the last 50 years comes close the approaching the hatred directed at the British. Ireland hates you, Scotland hates you, India, France, the Netherlands, all of Africa, Australian soldiers personally told me that they wouldn't mind orders to shoot at englishmen. The way you hosed India will have repurcussions which will last longer than yours or my lifetimes. Czarist Russia tried to be friends until they realized it was pointless. The Boer War was a fun glimpse into how the Brits conduct themselves, and how they treat women and children of their opponents (try looking up Lizzie Van Zyl sometime). If there is a root for all the anti-Western hatred in Afganistan, it is the British, not the US. Thanks for that too.
And you have the unmitigated gall to point fingers at us?? I stand corrected. You're not French. You're much, much worse.
And you have the unmitigated gall to point fingers at us?? I stand corrected. You're not French. You're much, much worse.
Yeah what he said. You should really look at your own history before commenting on the U.S because the U.S has only been a country for more than 200 years.
If they weren't colonized back then, it's just a question of time until any of the potential European countries like Portugal (remember, that Portugal didn't colonize what is now Brazil and is a powerful country) colonize them, of course if that won't happen then the western countries will be divided into social-economic groups.
Also remember that the Americas were doomed to be settled by someone. The civilizations of the America's were not advanced enough to resist the Europeans and would have succumbed to their destiny. The Vikings had already failed a settlement in North America, so sooner or later it would happen.
The cultures of America were doomed once the europeans cultures learned Navigation away from the coast. The Mayans were already nearly extinct in 1490 and the Aztecs were on the decline, the Incas were still advancing but not by much. The other cultures of the American had no design on advancement they were pleased to remain as simple hunter and gatherers.
Also remember that the Americas were doomed to be settled by someone. The civilizations of the America's were not advanced enough to resist the Europeans and would have succumbed to their destiny. The Vikings had already failed a settlement in North America, so sooner or later it would happen.
The cultures of America were doomed once the europeans cultures learned Navigation away from the coast. The Mayans were already nearly extinct in 1490 and the Aztecs were on the decline, the Incas were still advancing but not by much. The other cultures of the American had no design on advancement they were pleased to remain as simple hunter and gatherers.
PirateKing
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What part of manifest destiny do you not understand.
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
The British empire was no fiasco - a fiasco is not how you define an empire holding down two thirds of the worlds turf.
Perpetrated by murderers, thieves and thugs? WTF? BS!
Yes, we had soldiers... so what? Every nation does and americas soldiers are worse in almost every respect.
Yes, we had merchants trading in the new lands of empire.... So what? We established many countries and helped them grow - part of the reason that these countries FREELY choose to remain part of the Commonwealth today - they like the English and CHOOSE to remain in close association with them.
OK, the slave trade was NOT invented by the English and while you can type whatever you want, as before it's all bullshit.
If you'd even taken the tiniest amount of time to research your claims then you'd find from wikipedia:
"The first African slaves arrived in present day United States as part of the San Miguel de Gualdape colony (most likely located in the Winyah Bay area of present-day South Carolina), founded by Spanish explorer Lucas Vásquez de Ayllón in 1526."
Does any of that sound English to you? What? You can't tell the difference between England or Spain? You thought they were all just part of Europe which is just one giant country?
This means you'll cry foul and say that wikipedia always lies I suppose...
And just so you know, Britain pressured other nations to abolish slavery after it did so itself. But you wouldn't mention that, would you? Because of course things are great for black people in america; New Orleans was rebuilt a mere three weeks after hurricane katrina... Wait, what?
The Indian caste system on the other hand was another form of slavery we have abolished and India is much the better for it.
Everything we touched turned to shit the moment we got involved? Is that why they still want to be part of the Commonwealth? Who do you think founded the railways in India? What governmental system do you suppose the former colonies now model themselves on?
I can explain something we did when we went colonising; we stopped people throwing the dead guys wife on the funeral pyre while still alive after he died... but you wouldn't mention that, would you?
Brutal occupying forces? Any more bullshit? Famously there were so many Indians that if they had all spat at once the English would have been drowned; obviously therefore we weren't brutal occupying forces in India...
We tended to grow our tea in India or import it from china, but nice try anyways.... btw, I have drunk tea with a Somali gentleman... We had a nice chitchat. He displayed no hate for the British.
And we weren't booted out of every colony, we gave the Indians India back... Part fo the cause of the troubles in Ireland is some Irish not wanting us to leave.
As for america, withoutthe French assistance you recieved we'd still hold your shitty little excuse for a country
which makes it all the more incredible that you have the ingratitude and arrogance to refer to the French (who incidentally possess a FAR superior MBT to you) as "Cheese eating surrender monkeys".Ireland doesn't hate us... although some Irish do.
My friend Liz o'donovan who lived in England would attest that Ireland doesn't hate us, as would my friend Connor who I knew in Moscow. Do some research before you speak for the Irish.
The Scots don't all hate us, as one of my ex-gfs can attest. If they hated us so much, we wouldn't have so many of them serving in the SAS, fighting FOR us (they're tough bastards the Scots, you don't wanna mess with them).
Do some research before you speak for the Scots.
India CERTAINLY DOES NOT HATE US: We have millions of Indians coming here and millions born here who are, wait for it; BRITISH!
They do however hate america, who sells them the terminator crop; a crop of rice which dies off after 1 generation so that the entire crop has to be re-purchased. Just america doing what it does; living like a king at the expense of poorercountries, many inhabitants of which live in living situations akin to the 3rd world.
Do some research before you speak for the Indians.
The French hate us a little, but they hate you yanks more, WAY more, since you "accidently" bombed their embassy.
French students come here quite often and England and France collaborated together to produce the Jaguar.
The French hate us so much they're buying aircraft carriers from us.
Do some research before you speak for the French.
The Netherlands don't hate us (they in fact love our tourists) and neither does Africa (otherwise why would they maintain ties with us like having their pilots trained at the Imperial air school?).
You never met Australians that said that; Australians are lovely people and that sounds the same to me as the guy who said that his uncle flying an F22 would always beat the Typhoon in a play dogfight when they were flying over Iraq - despite the fact that NEITHER AIRCRAFT HAS EVER FLOWN OVER IRAQ!
So basically I'm calling you a liar on that one.
Do some research before you speak for the Aussies (who, incidently, have found your Strykers so shit in Indonesia they have removed them from the countries for crushing roads - I'm sure that earned your excuse for a country plus points).
The Africans don't hate us - we train their pilots in the empire flying school (and unlike red flag we train for real situatios).
Czarist Russia were so friendly with Britain that Britain traded at the Kremlin in Moscow while every other nation had to go to a trading post. THAT'S how STRONG the special relationship was. But of course, again, you didn't do your research, дура.
The Boer war was the worst point of empire and can't be taken as the norm, not only that, but we were fighting a counter-insurgency operation there, just like the one you yanks use to justify torture. Except ours was tough because the Boers had superior firepower; you guys suffer as much even when YOU have the superior firepower.
If there is a root for all the anti-western feeling in Afghanistan, ny, the non-western world, it is definately the us, not the British, don't even try that BS, because as I've just proved, I have the truth and real reasons on my side, you just have whatever BS you want to believe (have you ever considered working for Fox news btw?).
Yes i have the gall to point the finger at you, and I have the reasons to do so (which you don't).
Maybe the English are worse than the French.... so what? Still better than the americans.
There are only 2 countries capable of making america look good; North Korea and china.
Now this is either the second or third time I'm gonna ask you; can we drop this BS mud-flinging match you're doomed to lose and get back on topic?
Do some research before you speak for other countries, because right now you're living up to the stereotype of the ignorant, arrogant american.
Vlad The Impaler
Power Slave
Hey Vodka, one of my truly best friends in the world is an Englishman who lived here for 3 years and DID NOT want to leave. He loved it here, and never sounded like a fascist radical terrorist like you. He also told me that most of the English people, and most European people in general for that matter, hold no ill will toward us whatsoever. Since I know him very well and trust his judgement explicitly, his business takes him all over the world, I'm going to conclude that your nothing but a bitter asshole who's American father left you to fend for yourself when he could no longer stand the sight of you. Cheers...
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Hey Vlad, I know your talking bullshit, have you never seen top gear? Oh wait, of course you haven't because allthough EVERY SINGLE OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD (barring North Korea) has Top Gear, america doesn't. Why? Cultural Imperialism. Who misses out? Why, the americans of course. Obviously it's a good thing or why would so many countries buy it.
Now can we please get back on topic? Despite it being in contravention of board rules I'm gonna post this to show what we're all looking like carrying on this tirade of BS here:
And by the way, I don't sound like a terrorist, you sound like an idiot.
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