What If The America's Were Not Colonized

[Facetious]

You would all be speaking German right now.

or be bars of soap or token lampshades

 

[georges]

then America wouldn't be the first economic power.

 

[Mayhem]

It would be as developped as Africa. But without the ethnic conflicts.

There were ethnic conflicts all over the Americas before colonialization. The people who we bundle in one group as "Native-Americans" were a disparate group of tribes and civilizations. And they did not get along. Warfare, ethnic cleansing, slave raids were all common.

 

[meesterperfect]

You would all be speaking German right now.

no offense but thats pretty ignorant.

The world powers at the time of colonization from the mis 1400's to the early 1600's were Spain, france and England.
While these 3 countries were slaughtering millions for years over territory and religion germany was living in relative peace.
also, the germans wanted no part in taking north america, remember the united states attacked them.
but if you said japanese you may have been correct, they surely would have invaded had we not fought them.
but i do realize its more fashionable to demonize germany than japan.

the op question is good but simply unrealistic.
spain went to and conquered south america first, even as north as florida, mostly for the gold.
france tried but failed to colonize florida and georgia but the spanish killed them for trying.
they eventually did get it together in louisiana.
england wanted no part in the new world until after queen elizabeth died
enough history, but it was bound to happen.

And what would it be like without the colonization?
just a bunch of indians living there, like it always was.

 

[maildude]

The world powers at the time of colonization from the mis 1400's to the early 1600's were Spain, france and England.

And Portugal, the Dutch, and China in the far East.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Most of North America and South America would still be in the Stone Age and Central America, Mexico and the South West would be ruled by Aztecs.

As far as the WW2 stuff, that's silly. European and world history would be completely different. The technological and scientific exchanges between Europe and North America is what brought on the Industrial Revolution and the dependence/exploitation of hydrocarbons.

There's really no way to imagine what the world would be like; each changed variable gives birth to a whole slew of new variables that have to be taken into consideration. Who knows, without the colonization, Europe might still be warring feudal states (along with Japan, China and Korea. Or maybe the Ottoman Empire would be dominating much of developed world. Or maybe the planet would be some kind of steam punk utopia where people still carry pocket watches. There's no way to even guess.

 

[meesterperfect]

yeah theres just too many variables.
but it would be safe to say i believe that if england never crossed the pond eventually the spanish would have taken the whole enchilada and estamos hablando espanol en esta foro.

 

[Bearded_Menace]

Who is to say that there would have even been world wars if America wasn't around? Is anyone familiar with the theory that says if you go back in time and kill a butterfly that it could dramatically shift the outcome of time lines?

 

[meesterperfect]

Who is to say that there would have even been world wars if America wasn't around? Is anyone familiar with the theory that says if you go back in time and kill a butterfly that it could dramatically shift the outcome of time lines?

oh there may have been a WWI,but probably not as we know it.but if there was germany would have won judging by the situation up until the US entered the war.
then the jews never would have got palestine, then , then then then.........
but like lalilulelo said, a lot of variables to consider.
it unrealistic, too much guess work to be even remotely accurate.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

No, we'd all be speaking Russian.
The vast majority of Nazi casualties occurred on the Eastern front, you americans can say what you want but the fact remains that you did NOT save the world, so kindly can it

That's great, but I was more talking about World War I than anything else. Good luck winning that without the assistance of the US and Canada.

And in the Case of WWII... I wonder how long Britain would have lasted without getting food and assistance from across the Atlantic.

 

[Bearded_Menace]

oh there may have been a WWI,but probably not as we know it.but if there was germany would have won judging by the situation up until the US entered the war.
then the jews never would have got palestine, then , then then then.........
but like lalilulelo said, a lot of variables to consider.
it unrealistic, too much guess work to be even remotely accurate.

True, far too much guess work. In order for the Americas not to be colonized one must eliminate the cause for European expansion in the first place which was a need for resources on an increasingly crowded continent. If the Europeans didn't decide to leave for new lands then no doubt the would have been at war with each other until someone came out on top.

 

[GregCentauro]

If the Europeans didn't decide to leave for new lands then no doubt the would have been at war with each other until someone came out on top.

The Swiss would have sat idly by until everyone else was dead.

 

[LukeEl]

An anthology of alternate world histories... Was it a book or part of a blog on the internet? Do you remember the title? It sounds really interesting. I'd like to read it if you can remember the title or where you found it.

Good thread. Thanks.


BTW... like other alternate/"what if" versions of history that I've read ("Fatherland" and the various theories on what would have happened in Europe, specifically regarding the Dark and Middle Ages, had the Roman Empire not declined and fallen), it's fun to think about but there's no real way to know.

Honestly I was rereading one of those Harry Turtledove anthologies, and thought to myself. Hey waitaminute I see no stories about the America's not being colonized.
Anyway in context to an alternate time line. I see the Aztecs absorbing all the South and Central American tribes into one nation as well as North America being broken up to at least 7 to 12 tribal nations based on each region of North America...And somewhere down the road there would be trade established...I don't know my thinking is all over the place with this one.

 

[JayJohn85]

If it wasnt....I would land and start the republic of dave......

 

[knowone]

I don't think there's any chance colonization of the Americas doesn't happen, although minor things could affect when and who did it. Once the firearm became established in Europe it became too convenient (and inevitable) that it would be used to exploit those without it. An English King or two that's a little more lienient or oppressive on religious freedom means the Mayflower (and those from England that followed), doesn't happen. But that just opens things up for Vikings to work their way down from Greenland/Iceland, Dutch, French, Spanish, or Portuguese. Sometime between 1500s-1700s it going to happen.

 

[Ulysses31]

No Hollywood :crying: And no Ryder Cup

 

[vodkazvictim]

The Russians never would have fought the Germans had Hitler not decided to invade. He did so because he hated the Slavs and wanted land, resources and future living grounds for his Aryan society. Russia almost lost and they were on the brink had America not entered the war, causing Hitler to shift his resources. If there had been no America, the armies of Western Europe likely would have been larger and more advanced. England and the Allies would have won the war, and Russia would have likely sustained much more loss than it did.

But Hitler WOULD have invaded because he thought slavs were inferior (good luck to anybody who would like to prove that point).
Russia didn't almost lose and they weren't on the brink, they were using the scorched earth policy which they successfully used with Napoleon. Oh, and Hitler.
Admittedly without america Russia would have sustained greater losses, but she would not have been beaten. Remember; Russia is the worlds largest country, so big that even today they have trouble controlling it. No chance anybody could beat the Russians, logistics alone forbid it.

That's great, but I was more talking about World War I than anything else. Good luck winning that without the assistance of the US and Canada.

And in the Case of WWII... I wonder how long Britain would have lasted without getting food and assistance from across the Atlantic.

If anything, it would be easier for the world sans North-america to win WW1 than WW2.

The Swiss would have sat idly by until everyone else was dead.

You can mock them all you like, but the Swiss live well, they're not engaged in any of the stupid Afghanistan and Iraq nonsense, the people are happy, the PM can walk the streets and they don't live in constant fear of terrorist attacks.

 

[DJCowboy]

I was watching a special on the history channel about Europeans coming here. When they first arrived, they almost all died and/or given up and gone back to Europe due to not being prepared for the first winter but the Native Americans thought it would be a good idea to help them out... I'm sure that's one day they have always regretted :elaugh:

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

There would be infinitely less America bashing on porn forums. I am astonished at how much the world hates us especially some of the English members. I just don't get it but fortunately I'm beginning to not give a flying fuck.

 

[Mayhem]

There would be infinitely less America bashing on porn forums. I am astonished at how much the world hates us especially some of the English members. I just don't get it but fortunately I'm beginning to not give a flying fuck.

It's basically geo-political penis envy. Europe remembers when they were THE superpowers and they wish they still were. There was a line in the last season of The West Wing, "These Europeans...the pretend a relevance which they no longer posess." That's basically it.