Watergate 2.0 in Progress

[Jack Davenport]

I hate to burst bubbles here, but this is NOTHING like Watergate. Watergate, while criminal, was not traitorous. Watergate was the result of an insecure politician, who didn't have the sense to just admit the truth right after the break-in was exposed. While it is serious that an American president set the Justice Dept., FBI, CIA and Executive Branch into motion to cover up a rather minor crime, Nixon did not involve a hostile foreign government. This is completely different. This is an American presidential candidate, soliciting information from a hostile foreign government, with the intent to influence and alter an American election. The trumpkins defense of, "There's no evidence," is as laughable as it is stupid. Donnie, Jr. not only took the meeting, he sent e mails stating emphatically that he "LOVED" the idea of using Russian officials to affect and influence the election. Manifort, Sessions, and a slew of other officials have admitted to meetings with Russian officials during the campaign. AND THEN THEY LIED ABOUT HAVING THESE MEETINGS. And here's your most damning piece of evidence: At last year's Republican National Convention, Trump's people were completely disinterested in the party platform, EXCEPT for two provisions: 1. Was to soften our stance on sanctions against Russia, and 2. Was to soften the language referring to a US response should Russia invade Ukraine. And then on his first visit overseas, Trump sets about to demolish NATO, thus weakening an EU threat should Putin start annexing independent republics. Trump is a traitor. Don't attach the word, "gate" to this. "Gate" implies a scandal. This is not scandal. IT IS TREASON. Involving yourself with officials of a hostile nation to affect and influence an American election is indeed against MANY laws. Twist yourself into pretzels as much as you wish to defend it, but the bottom line is what it is. He is a traitor.

My god it's Keith Olbermann.

:1orglaugh

 

[ritingfunny@yah]

OMG! You're coming at me with Alan Dershowitz???? Desperate, are we? You'll notice he tries to say that obtaining information illegally is not a crime. True. So long as you're dealing with domestic sources. When it's used in this manner, to affect and alter an election, is another matter entirely. Trump, Jr. was conspiring WITH OFFICIALS FROM A HOSTILE NATION to affect and alter an American election. Nice job trying to compare it to Watergate and Snowden, but we all know how different this is. Dershowitz's tactic is no different than trying to say Obama is to blame, because he allowed these people into the country. Deflection. But feel free to post Gloria Allred's opinion. You might not be at the absolute bottom of the legal barrel when you cite Alan Dershowitz, but you can see the slats.

 

[Jack Davenport]

OMG! You're coming at me with Alan Dershowitz???? Desperate, are we? You'll notice he tries to say that obtaining information illegally is not a crime. True. So long as you're dealing with domestic sources. When it's used in this manner, to affect and alter an election, is another matter entirely. Trump, Jr. was conspiring WITH OFFICIALS FROM A HOSTILE NATION to affect and alter an American election. Nice job trying to compare it to Watergate and Snowden, but we all know how different this is. Dershowitz's tactic is no different than trying to say Obama is to blame, because he allowed these people into the country. Deflection. But feel free to post Gloria Allred's opinion. You might not be at the absolute bottom of the legal barrel when you cite Alan Dershowitz, but you can see the slats.

He's only one of the greatest legal minds in our nation's history.

He destroyed your rant.

Suck it up snowflake.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Lotta stupid motherfuckers throwing around the word traitor. Prove it.

 

[Supafly]

Lotta stupid motherfuckers throwing around the word traitor. Prove it.

You remember the tweet some months ago from one guy from the intelligence community?

"He's gonna die in prison"

Just wait a while, the case is getting built up. It has to be airtight, so there will be no fast shot at this.

Enjoy your days and weeks in Lala-Land, it won't last.

 

[pool_hustler]

Lotta stupid motherfuckers throwing around the word traitor. Prove it.

Seems to be a bi partisan kinda thang. I heard the word treason bandied about just about every day for the eight years Obama was prez.

 

[Jack Davenport]

You remember the tweet some months ago from one guy from the intelligence community?

"He's gonna die in prison"

Just wait a while, the case is getting built up. It has to be airtight, so there will be no fast shot at this.

Enjoy your days and weeks in Lala-Land, it won't last.

€1000.00

Should be the easiest money you've ever made.

 

[Supafly]

For the Lulz and for a new dimension of Trump

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Seems to be a bi partisan kinda thang. I heard the word treason bandied about just about every day for the eight years Obama was prez.

Yeah, but President Trump hasn't opened the gates for N.Korea or Iran. You know, by negotiating shitty nuclear treaties or giving them 1.5 billion dollars. Or funneling weapons to Mexican Cartels. Or counter-intuitively leaving materials behind for Islamic extremists to fight with. But yeah, Obama was fucking great.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

You remember the tweet some months ago from one guy from the intelligence community?

"He's gonna die in prison"

Just wait a while, the case is getting built up. It has to be airtight, so there will be no fast shot at this.

Enjoy your days and weeks in Lala-Land, it won't last.

Of course it won't last. Eight years isn't forever.

 

[bodie54]

Yeah, but President Trump hasn't opened the gates for N.Korea or Iran. You know, by negotiating shitty nuclear treaties or giving them 1.5 billion dollars. Or funneling weapons to Mexican Cartels. Or counter-intuitively leaving materials behind for Islamic extremists to fight with. But yeah, Obama was fucking great.

I thought we were talking about the appropriate use of words. None of the above (even if I were to agree with you on all of it) amounting to treason.


Iran/Contra ring a bell?
How did Obama open the gates for N. Korea? I thought that was Slick Willie's fault.
Weren't those "materials" mostly abandoned by the Iraqi army?
The money was owed them from decades ago. As I recall Iran was seeking 10 billion in compensation and likely would have won that judgment via international tribunal.
Matter of opinion but in mine we are much safer with the nuke deal than we were without it. Plutonium reactor disabled & The IAEA (who via onsite inspections tried to warn us there was no case for invasion of Iraq based on WMD) is performing oversight in Iran now, whereas it had none before.

 

[Supafly]

 

[Supafly]

The POTUS desires his country to become more of a banana republic

 

[sean miguel]

still waiting for those impeachment hearings, Rachel. You've cock-teased us for how long?

waiting patiently still.

 

[Jack Davenport]

*lol*

 

[Supafly]

Looking at the general situation of the GOP's finest, Tump doesn't look THAT weird anymore

 

[Jack Davenport]

Samantha Bee

*lololololol*

 

[Supafly]

More of that buddy-buddy thing

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Yeah, how dare he try and interact with another head of state? The next 7 1/2 years are going to be awesome.

 

[sean miguel]

I hate to burst bubbles here, but this is NOTHING like Watergate. Watergate, while criminal, was not traitorous. Watergate was the result of an insecure politician, who didn't have the sense to just admit the truth right after the break-in was exposed. While it is serious that an American president set the Justice Dept., FBI, CIA and Executive Branch into motion to cover up a rather minor crime, Nixon did not involve a hostile foreign government. This is completely different. This is an American presidential candidate, soliciting information from a hostile foreign government, with the intent to influence and alter an American election. The trumpkins defense of, "There's no evidence," is as laughable as it is stupid. Donnie, Jr. not only took the meeting, he sent e mails stating emphatically that he "LOVED" the idea of using Russian officials to affect and influence the election. Manifort, Sessions, and a slew of other officials have admitted to meetings with Russian officials during the campaign. AND THEN THEY LIED ABOUT HAVING THESE MEETINGS. And here's your most damning piece of evidence: At last year's Republican National Convention, Trump's people were completely disinterested in the party platform, EXCEPT for two provisions: 1. Was to soften our stance on sanctions against Russia, and 2. Was to soften the language referring to a US response should Russia invade Ukraine. And then on his first visit overseas, Trump sets about to demolish NATO, thus weakening an EU threat should Putin start annexing independent republics. Trump is a traitor. Don't attach the word, "gate" to this. "Gate" implies a scandal. This is not scandal. IT IS TREASON. Involving yourself with officials of a hostile nation to affect and influence an American election is indeed against MANY laws. Twist yourself into pretzels as much as you wish to defend it, but the bottom line is what it is. He is a traitor.

holy shit @ your wall of text. wtf is wrong with you? but that in bold. You said MANY laws. can you cite specific statutes? All I've heard so far is a *possible* violation of campaign finance laws which amounts to a fine or some slap on the wrist. But you're using the word "treason." Again, cite the specific statutes that Donald Trump Jr. wanting to meet with a foreign national to get dirt on Hillary is treason. Nothing came of it of course, but the intent was there. So please, show us how this is an open and shut case of "treason." If Donald Trump Jr. is guilty of TREASON, hang him. But how does that get rid of your president who will likely be appointing the next 2 Supreme Court nominees and who will be confirmed. No ill will towards Ruth Bader Ginsburg, but she's lived a long and full life.


on a side note: what if there really was dirt on Clinton and could be proven true? Like Podesta's emails. The DNC didn't contest the veracity of the leaks while at the same time denying access to them by the FBI.

fuck. off.