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True Love

ok ok, attention all cynics of true love...GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rofl2:
 
Well IMO I feel that true love is not when you find someone you are happy with but when you find someone you are miserable without.....and I feel deep down I have found this person and July 15th will be our 2nd anniversary! :)
 
ok ok, attention all cynics of true love...GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rofl2:
That's an asinine thing to say. If someone feels differently than you they have no say? And why were you married to someone that wasn't your true love? And if you met your current "true love" when you were married how is it that you became eligible? Did you divorce and then start dating?

I'm sorry but I just feel you're being pretty obtuse about this-who are you to tell him he's wrong 100% any more then him telling you? At least he was going about it with some reasoning and not just discounting you and telling you to go off.
 
"True Love" v. "One and Only True Love"

First. This post is NOT directed at anyone in particular.
But with all due respect, no one can ever be sure they found their 'one true love'.
Yes, it is NOT directed at anyone in particular.
Because, with all due respect, no one (unless I missed someone) here pre-fixed 'true love' with 'one'.
One would have to be pretty arrogant or ignorant to seriously state that they know that they have found their one and only true love.
would i be arrogant or ignorant then?
You're neither, just like myself.
Now if we had actually pre-fixed 'one', then that would be 'ignorant.'

'Arrogant' would be if we actually held our bliss over others and bragged about it.
I, for one, have done nothing but wish the same bliss on others, in whatever way they wish -- monogamy, polygamy, etc...
It is unfortunate, and this is NOT directed to anyone in particular, that some let their envy consistently call others arrogant and braggarts.

Their is no doubt about it. The odds are incredibly strongly in favour that their are persons out there that you would be FAR better matches with.
Agreed, out of purse, simple, mathematical probability.
But does that mean the love of the one person they have found is any less 'true'?

I am not typing that you people are not in love. I am just typing that to have not met 99.9999% of the eligible potential partners in the world and claim that the one you are with is 'the only one for me' is , IMO, naive in the extremis.
No offense, but it's naive for you to continue to assume what you want.
I read through a lot of the responses here and no one is stating anything other than the fact that the one they are currently with is their 'true love.'

Furthermore, I'm not losing any sleep thinking or worrying that there might be someone "more true."
I've been with my wife almost a decade and a half now, and there is no way I'm trading those experiences and that bliss for anything.
At this point, the interaction and understand we now have is most likely to be "more true" than any other woman I would have starting fresh.

That's why people who are married a long, long time are often envied by others.
Not because of the number of years, but because of the experiences and understanding the two have.
And the level of compatibility and symbios they have reached.

But if that naivety helps you sleep at night. Naive away.
Re-read the six (6) sentences I wrote above.
I actually typed the phrase "I'm not losing any sleep" before I read your statement here -- coincidence, but maybe not.

My point is, if you haven't found your true love. Don't worry, odds are almost no one else ever has or will either.
Er, correction there, you mean 'one true love'.
Romantic aren't I?
Yeah, and we're all naive and arrogant.

why does it stop with eligible women? what if my one true love is married like me?
Then she needs to consider what she has built with her husband.
If it is true, then starting over is not always the "better" 'true love'.
Of course, if they are both open to polygamous relationships, then that could make it possible for yourself without her divorce.
It all depends on what their values are, your values are, and how compatible they all are.

You see, the mathematician in me fully agrees with McRocket ("naive" and "arrogant" comments aside).
So it is very possible to meet more than one 'true love' in your lifetime.
If people were mature and understanding, then polygamous relationships would be possible and even respected.
Unfortunately, society has made them very difficult to deal with, and too many people are caught up in judgement, envy, etc...

For myself, one 'true love' is enough for me -- the "one" I've settled on.
I'm NOT saying she is the 'only one, true love', but the only one I'm planning on experiencing in my lifetime.
At the same time, I'm open enough to believe my wife, at some point, may feel she has found another.
And I would give her every option to include that true love as long as she still included myself.

Most likely that will never happen, but I have prepared myself and kept my mind open should it ever happen.
The thing is that she and I are so open and sharing in our relationship that I would know in advance.
In fact, the last thing I think that would ever happen to me is that she would have an affair and I'd find out about it after-the-fact.
I could be wrong, and then I would be very naive, but we both know each others feelings, and that line of communication keeps us strong.

That's really the only 'one' thing I need most in my marriage, let alone makes it 'true'. ;)

I don't need to "know and meet every other woman on the planet" to come to that conclusion.
Then apparently both you and I, among others, are 'naive' and 'arrogant'. ;)
Although I didn't see either of us, among others, prefix 'one' or 'only one' or 'one and only' in front of 'true love'.

And I do not doubt that she is 'just right' for you. My point was, is she the most 'just right' person for you in the entire world? And are you for her?
And my answer is that there is no way you could know that she is. You can just believe it.
But if that makes you all happy - and hurts no one - then power to you.
The sad thing is that we wish the same for you, but you don't seem to get that.

Just to play "devil's advocate" here. I could say that some people wouldn't think that way because they might consider destiny and fate to be at work. Now I know some people might believe in that and some might not, but our whole understanding of love is a pretty enigmatic thing in the first place.
Fate and destiny, to some people, are what they make, not what someone else has written.
Changes the entire viewpoint. ;)

Ok, MCR, no disrespect intended, that statement is pretty naive don't you think? What are the odds that any one of us will meet every single woman in the world? ZERO. My question to you would be, have you found what you THINK is your true love? If your answer is no, then your argument is not really valid because you have not experienced the feelings that those of us who believe we have found our true love have. You also cannot restrict it to "eligible" women, because the woman I am with now whom i know to be my true love, was married when we met and so was I.
Divorce isn't as bad or as wrong as people make it out to be.
Sometimes you just don't meet someone you are compatible with or people change over time.
And there is some logic to McRocket's comments that you don't meet everyone so how could you know at any, one time -- like when you marry (possibly for the first time).
In the end, it's nothing to loose sleep over at night, it's just life and choices will be made or re-made again at times.

That is another naive statement, let me ask you how do you know we cannot know? Because we haven't met every woman on the planet? Come on. Are you a spiritual person? If you are then you cannot have found your true love, because you would know.
Remember, 'true love' is NOT the same as '[only] one, true love'.
You will never hear me argue, and I noted most others here, did not use the phrase '[only] one, true love'.
Don't let McRocket's "agenda" (I wish I could figure it out, because he can't) redefine something into what you did not say, we did not say, etc...

If you are not a spiritual person, well I can't say much that will convince you otherwise, I just think your view on this is way, way to cynical. Do you think with this mode of thinking you could ever really be happy with someone?
I think I've stated the same with regards to McRocket in several threads now.
I think his "agenda" isn't really or directly spiteful or rude on purpose, it's just a result of his own "misery."
He feels "bad" about so many things, so he loves to twist things that are pure joy for others into his collective pain.

After all, I'm arrogant and a braggart on this board, and I am reminded of that fact from him regularly.
He even got frustrated with me in a thread where he couldn't understand I wanted my wife over Kerry Marie, and tried to push me if my wife lost her breasts or had another, physical trama.
I'm not complaining about him other than wishing he could lose this "collective pain" he has built for himself.

And I honestly wish he could experience the joys many of us do.
 
Re: "True Love" v. "One and Only True Love"

Then apparently both you and I, among others, are 'naive' and 'arrogant'. ;)
I often say that :

"It's easy loving someone at their best. Love is loving them at their worst".

Parents (especially parents of teenagers!), know the truth of that above statement.


Love is a multifaceted, wonderful, glorious thing.
Heck, it redeemed me and made me believe in life again.

Sure, often it causes much pain and heart ache.... but would you have it any other way?

cheers,
 
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Love is a multifaceted, wonderful, glorious thing.
Heck, it redeemed me and made me believe in life again.
My father said the same thing.
I think the smart men where the ones that came back from 'Nam and found love.
My father did, he wanted to move on with his life and start a family, which he did much to his joy.
I never knew he had spent 3 tours in 'Nam with Marine Special Forces until I was older, and he still won't talk about it.
He has only twice, both of the times, the in-laws were down and he had a few beers. ;)
 

McRocket

Banned
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I think I've stated the same with regards to McRocket in several threads now.
I think his "agenda" isn't really or directly spiteful or rude on purpose, it's just a result of his own "misery."
He feels "bad" about so many things, so he loves to twist things that are pure joy for others into his collective pain.

After all, I'm arrogant and a braggart on this board, and I am reminded of that fact from him regularly.
He even got frustrated with me in a thread where he couldn't understand I wanted my wife over Kerry Marie, and tried to push me if my wife lost her breasts or had another, physical trama.
I'm not complaining about him other than wishing he could lose this "collective pain" he has built for himself.

And I honestly wish he could experience the joys many of us do.

If you wish to discuss your theories about me, that's fine with me. It's almost flattering in a way.

But my only confusion is why you will gladly hijack threads to do it and yet when I offer to discuss it with you in pm's - you refuse.

As for my 'misery'.
I have my health (as far as I know), a 3 year old house (that I designed) in the city, a 500+ horsepower performance vehicle in the driveway, 500 grand in the bank, no ex-wives, no dependents and I have never been more content romantically or sexually.

Do I sound miserable to you?


Have a nice day.
 
That's an asinine thing to say. If someone feels differently than you they have no say? And why were you married to someone that wasn't your true love? And if you met your current "true love" when you were married how is it that you became eligible? Did you divorce and then start dating?

I'm sorry but I just feel you're being pretty obtuse about this-who are you to tell him he's wrong 100% any more then him telling you? At least he was going about it with some reasoning and not just discounting you and telling you to go off.

Lighten up it was a fucking joke
 
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If you wish to discuss your theories about me, that's fine with me. It's almost flattering in a way.

But my only confusion is why you will gladly hijack threads to do it and yet when I offer to discuss it with you in pm's - you refuse.

As for my 'misery'.
I have my health (as far as I know), a 3 year old house (that I designed) in the city, a 500+ horsepower performance vehicle in the driveway, 500 grand in the bank, no ex-wives, no dependents and I have never been more content romantically or sexually.

Do I sound miserable to you?


Have a nice day.
Yea, you do sound miserable...a house (that you designed, that I congratulate you on, that is a very cool thing), a car (i'm sorry a 500+ HP car....whooopee), money...if this is what makes you happy then you will never be truly happy. Material things and money are not what makes happiness, they make us secure and content, but not happy. But hey if it helps you sleep at night thinking your happy then continue to live in your naive world, as you said to us saps who believe in true love. The person you are with at the moment, do you see yourself without this person? Or could you easily dump them and move on? You can be rich, have the best of everything, but that won't make you happy.
 
if you guys wanna believe in that rose filled sunny sky bullshit then be my guest.
We do and we will, and i'm sorry that you have not found it yet, and that you were hurt by someone who you cared about, but one or two heartaches doesn't mean you should just give up on it all, I truly hope you can find true love someday.
 

McRocket

Banned
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Yea, you do sound miserable...a house (that you designed, that I congratulate you on, that is a very cool thing), a car (i'm sorry a 500+ HP car....whooopee), money...if this is what makes you happy then you will never be truly happy.
Where did I type that they make me happy? And btw, that 500 grand was once 800 grand+ - so give me time and it will be 200 grand - lol.
Material things and money are not what makes happiness, they make us secure and content, but not happy.
I agree 100%.
But hey if it helps you sleep at night thinking your happy then continue to live in your naive world, as you said to us saps who believe in true love. The person you are with at the moment, do you see yourself without this person? Or could you easily dump them and move on? You can be rich, have the best of everything, but that won't make you happy.
You almost sound hopeful.:)

And I never typed I was happy. I simply wished to offer evidence that I am far from miserable - which I am (far from it, I mean).

And I am truly sorry about sounding like I was bragging. I really am. Because NO ONE is ever better then anyone. And money has nothing to do with how good you are.
But I was tired of Prof. Voluptuary speaking for me when he doesn't even know me and yet claims (mostly wrongly) to know why I type the things I type.

I truly hope you are all in love. And I hope your partners are 'the one'. If everyone else is happy, then the world will just be a better place for me to live in.;)

But sometimes in the end, ignorance is not bliss.

Have a love filled day.
 
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Where did I type that they make me happy? I agree 100%.
You almost sound hopeful.:)

And I never typed I was happy. I simply wished to offer evidence that I am far from miserable - which I am (far from it, I mean).

And I am truly sorry about sounding like I was bragging. I really am. Because NO ONE is ever better then anyone. And money has nothing to do with how good you are.
But I was tired of Prof. Voluptuary speaking for me when he doesn't even know me and yet claims (mostly wrongly) to know why I type the things I type.

I truly hope you are all in love. And I hope your partners are 'the one'. If everyone else is happy, then the world will just be a better place for me to live in.

But sometimes, ignorance is not bliss.

Have a loving day

Ok I may have read into your post more than I needed to and that's my bad. I didn't really get the impression you were bragging either, like i said, I read too much into the post, and I hate when i do that :error: As i stated, I think it's awesome that you live in a house you designed, and there is nothing wrong with being proud of that. I also hope that you find true love, even though you may not believe it exists.
 

McRocket

Banned
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Ok I may have read into your post more than I needed to and that's my bad. I didn't really get the impression you were bragging either, like i said, I read too much into the post, and I hate when i do that :error: As i stated, I think it's awesome that you live in a house you designed, and there is nothing wrong with being proud of that. I also hope that you find true love, even though you may not believe it exists.

Thanks man.

Oh, I believe it exists. But I have seen 6 divorces alone in my immediate family (none mine - I have never been married). And many of them thought their 'mate' was 'the one'. Only to have that naivety blow up horribly in their faces.

We have all - I assume - seen how people we knew thought they were madly in love only for them to be horribly shocked when they realized the truth was not what they had first thought.

My point is, if it makes you happy - fantastic. But please keep your eyes open. We are all human after all. And we all have weaknesses. Goodness KNOWS I do.

I do apologize for hijacking your excellent thread.

A 'true love' thread on a porn forum like Freeones is, IMO, very refreshing and an EXCELLENT idea.
I suppose I should have typed that earlier.


Oh and btw. It's not a big house or overly expensive. But I like it. It's a main house (which I rent out) with a side apartment - with a separate basement - that I live in. I had to design much of it because there were just no plans like it around.
 
Yes, I've found her. We chatted online for about 18 months before we met face to face, but as soon as we met face to face, I knew there was something very special about her. From that point, it took about 3-4 days before I knew for sure, and I've known it ever since.
 

dave_rhino

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First. This post is NOT directed at anyone in particular.

But with all due respect, no one can ever be sure they found their 'one true love'.

There are probably what? 100 or 200 million people in the world that any individual could date/marry. And each person meets and gets to know maybe what? A few hundred people well enough to know whether they would wish to spend their lives with them in their lifetime.

That means that most people will only get to know 1/1,000,000th of all the eligible persons in the world for them. One would have to be pretty arrogant or ignorant to seriously state that they know that they have found their one and only true love.

Their is no doubt about it. The odds are incredibly strongly in favour that their are persons out there that you would be FAR better matches with.

I am not typing that you people are not in love. I am just typing that to have not met 99.9999% of the eligible potential partners in the world and claim that the one you are with is 'the only one for me' is , IMO, naive in the extremis.

But if that naivety helps you sleep at night. Naive away.

My point is, if you haven't found your true love. Don't worry, odds are almost no one else ever has or will either.


Romantic aren't I?

:D

Fate brings them together

Have some faith!
 

McRocket

Banned
Fate brings them together

Have some faith!

Yeah I guess that second last sentence of mine:

'My point is, if you haven't found your true love. Don't worry, odds are almost no one else ever has or will either.'

...was a bit of a downer.:)



And in answer to the original question of this thread.

I do not think that I have met 'true love'. Though I am not 100% sure that I did not many years ago and screwed it up.

So I would answer probably not and possibly.
 
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