They're rioting in Sweden

[JaanaRuutu]

not the Swedes, though.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/05/20135240162725894.html

Good thing Finnish people actually have balls. if they tried that here we'd probably just fight them all and start deåprtong them..but I guess Sweden likes when immigrants burn down their schools?

 

[Rattrap]

Judging just from the one article, it looks like a pretty tricky situation. The fact that

Many of the immigrants who have arrived due to the country's generous refugee policy struggle to learn the language and find employment despite numerous government programmes.

In the past decade, Sweden has welcomed hundreds of thousands of immigrants from Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Somalia and the Balkans, among others.

means they're there for humanitarian reasons, yet aren't succeeding. To ship them all back would be the opposite of said humanitarianism, yet the current situation's obviously not working:

In Husby, overall unemployment was 8.8 percent in 2012, compared to 3.3 percent in Stockholm as a whole, according to official data.

And a total of 12 percent in Husby received social benefits last year, compared to 3.6 percent in Stockholm as a whole.

I certainly don't have any answers.

 

[JaanaRuutu]

Yes, a lot of them *are* refugees, but there's a point in a situation like that when you need to stop and say "Okay, this clearly doesn't fucking work". I'm all about helping those in need, but if they don't appreciate what's being done for them and take advnatage of a nation that's taken them in to the best of its ability then fuck 'em. A lot of them can literally do anything in Sweden, Finland too, under the idea that "it's their culture". luckily Finland is tightening its rape laws.

As long as you come here and make an honest effort to find work and learn the language and be a good law-abiding person, then you're cool. Even if you can't find work, volunteer. Do something with your day that's productive..but if you come here and refuse to assimilate and then start setting shit on fire, you need to be sent back, or somewhere else.

 

[Rattrap]

Yes, a lot of them *are* refugees, but there's a point in a situation like that when you need to stop and say "Okay, this clearly doesn't fucking work". I'm all about helping those in need, but if they don't appreciate what's being done for them and take advnatage of a nation that's taken them in to the best of its ability then fuck 'em. A lot of them can literally do anything in Sweden, Finland too, under the idea that "it's their culture". luckily Finland is tightening its rape laws.

As long as you come here and make an honest effort to find work and learn the language and be a good law-abiding person, then you're cool. Even if you can't find work, volunteer. Do something with your day that's productive..but if you come here and refuse to assimilate and then start setting shit on fire, you need to be sent back, or somewhere else.

On an individual level, I entirely agree. Not that my situation is necessarily at all parallel with some of theirs, but I've always been of your opinion: if you're going to move to another country, you should well accept its culture, not the other way around (there are of course many many ways to practice your own culture while doing so). That's why now that I'm in Germany I'm bending over backwards to learn German now. And drink at equal amounts of beer to any water I drink. And eat pork with every meal...

The problem is the 'sending back' part; it probably can't be done humanely, especially in these refugees' situations. I don't think it would ultimately fly politically either (the public of Europe seems to be heading in that direction, so I could be wrong, or soon wrong). Maybe a solution is to ease the 'generous refugee policy' until Sweden can find a more adequate way to deal with the refugees it has, or decide that it isn't really possible or worth it.

 

[meesterperfect]

i cant find one damn article that says who is doing the rioting ect.

 

[Philbert]

Muslims...their neighborhood.

 

[JaanaRuutu]

i cant find one damn article that says who is doing the rioting ect.

Immigrants. Police shot an old dude that had a knife on Sunday and he died, so everyone in that area started flipping out. It was a powder keg. they've been looking for a reason to do this for a while. What's frustrating is everyone outside of Scandinavia is trying to talk about how hard they have it up here, when they really don't. There are so many resources for them, especially refugees, and a lot of times they're flat out above the law. if you try to be like "hey, you're being a dick. Stop." they just start screaming about how you're a racist.

 

[288gto]

agree with jaana, deport the junks back from where they came. i mean sweden offered them home, and conditions, they never had back there, and now they become parasites. i was very touched from a comment a swedish firefighter made who was atacked, that pissed me off, why atack the people who risk their own life for their dumb asses? just deport them, be smart swedes!

 

[vodkazvictim]

Gotta kinda make me laugh the turns this thread is taking; I was talking to a Saudi guy today who said maybe he should speak more English than Arabic.
He was at one point speaking so much English that he was losing his Arabic (when living in Saudi) and people were hearing aspects of an English accent.
When I first met him I heard a Saudi accent with a twinge of american.

And then you get the other extreme; those who refuse to blend and try to build their own little homeland in the new world.
Why can't people just have a mix? Best of both?

 

[meesterperfect]

Muslims...their neighborhood.

Immigrants. Police shot an old dude that had a knife on Sunday and he died, so everyone in that area started flipping out. It was a powder keg. they've been looking for a reason to do this for a while. What's frustrating is everyone outside of Scandinavia is trying to talk about how hard they have it up here, when they really don't. There are so many resources for them, especially refugees, and a lot of times they're flat out above the law. if you try to be like "hey, you're being a dick. Stop." they just start screaming about how you're a racist.

I get everything you said Jaana, but immigrants from where is what I want to know.
The news articles Ive read, not one dare speak it.

 

[meesterperfect]

Why can't people just have a mix? Best of both?

For the same reason you can't run an internal combustion engine with Hi-C Ecto Cooler, just doesn't work.

All these European countries whose governments are letting Africans and middle easterners, mostly Muslims, into their country by the millions even though the majority of the natural born citizens are against it are just committing slow suicide. Theyve already lost their freedom because they are afraid to speak out against it or anything actually, and if they do they are immediately branded as racists and blacklisted or worse.
Now its to a point where many are afraid to even walk the streets of their own country.
I know a lot of people just want to sit under rainbows and write poems all day while someone else pays their bills and continue to believe that forced multi culturalism works but it doesnt and never has anywhere in the world throughout history. A cow don't make ham.
Unless the natural born citizens put a stop to it soon its only a matter of time until they go the way of the dinosaur, but in a much violent and painful way.
but i know you disagree.

 

[BigSwede]

i cant find one damn article that says who is doing the rioting ect.

Bored teenagers with nothing better to do.
This has nothing to do with religion.

 

[Ulysses31]

Bored teenagers with nothing better to do.
This has nothing to do with religion.

Sounds about right, the elder leaders are trying to stop the violence but the youngsters who don't appreciate the shit their parents went through (back in their own war torn countries) are just looking for an excuse to cause chaos, i'm not denying you get certain levels of racism when you get mass immigration into a relatively stable society but they just have to grin and bear it and if you follow the laws and embrace the culture you'll eventually get accepted and complete integration eventually follows, it takes years and requires a lot of patience.

 

[assari]

Immigrants who commit crimes must be expelled.

It is the only solution that actually works.

 

[Mayhem]

I keep thinking, "They're Rioting In Sweden" would make a good name for a band.

 

[BigSwede]

Sounds about right, the elder leaders are trying to stop the violence but the youngsters who don't appreciate the shit their parents went through (back in their own war torn countries) are just looking for an excuse to cause chaos, i'm not denying you get certain levels of racism when you get mass immigration into a relatively stable society but they just have to grin and bear it and if you follow the laws and embrace the culture you'll eventually get accepted and complete integration eventually follows, it takes years and requires a lot of patience.

One newspaper talked with two supposed leaders last week and they said that they wanted attention from the police and to make them come to Husby. Now they have attention from the police, from media, from politicians and just about anyone else. Yet they are still causing trouble instead of talking about what could be done to make it better.

 

[BigSwede]

I keep thinking, "They're Rioting In Sweden" would make a good name for a band.

Almost...
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Lets-Start-A-Riot-In-Sweden/release/2779950

 

[rogerdar]

Almost...
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Lets-Start-A-Riot-In-Sweden/release/2779950

now thats funny

 

[georges]

It was preidctable but that is what happens when you have immigrants that are leeching a too generous healthcare and welfare system

 

[Bonezstorm]

Problem is that you have to deal with these immigrants. If you say that e.g. there has to be a boundary for immigrants, you get the nazi stamp