The Trump Presidency

[Luxman]

You're usually spot-on, but only half your statement is true. Trump lost by 3m votes. Gerrymandering has nothing to do with the electoral college. Gerrymandering relates specifically to Congressional districts within states.

Thanks. I got them mixed up.

 

[Theopolis Q. Hossenffer]

You're usually spot-on, but only half your statement is true. Trump lost by 3m votes. Gerrymandering has nothing to do with the electoral college. Gerrymandering relates specifically to Congressional districts within states.

Not to be any more argumentative than usual but gerrymandering is a part of the process. Making sure a state is Red or Blue is a big part of wining the Electoral College. You must win the state to win the EC votes. I live in Illinois, I know about this "Gerrymandering" thing quite well.

 

[Señor Sarcasmo]

 

[gmase]

Not to be any more argumentative than usual but gerrymandering is a part of the process. Making sure a state is Red or Blue is a big part of wining the Electoral College. You must win the state to win the EC votes. I live in Illinois, I know about this "Gerrymandering" thing quite well.

I understand, but it has nothing to do with the electoral college. It is specific to congressional districts. Illinois gets 18 congressional districts assigned to them and then it is up to them to decide how to draw them up. Regardless of how they are gerrymandered, IL still gets 20 electoral votes (18 + 2).

Thanks. I got them mixed up.

Not a problem. Like I said, you are usually spot on. I thought the clarification coming from a friendly position would be better than coming from someone across the aisle.

 

[Luxman]

This isn't the political satire thread.

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[Steve-FreeOnes]

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No more irrelevant animated gifs and cartoons please, my sides can't take it.

 

[gmase]

I have no pithy gifs or cartoons to present.

After finishing one book, it is time to move onto the next. Parts of the preface are quite illustrative:

A college student in the 1940s wrote: "Unless Democracy can produce able leaders, its chances for survival are slight."​

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Later, the student would argue the following themes: " ... the survival of democracy depends on having an informed electorate and active citizenry, committed to reasoned discourse and accepting of good-faith bargaining between the parties ... compromise is necessary to a well-functioning democracy and that civility in the public realm prevents dehumanization and helps us to political opponents as adversaries, not enemies."​

Trump is a symptom of our society. We want a celebrity who will 'put to the liberals', not someone who will actually look out for all people.

 

[Theopolis Q. Hossenffer]

I understand, but it has nothing to do with the electoral college. It is specific to congressional districts. Illinois gets 18 congressional districts assigned to them and then it is up to them to decide how to draw them up. Regardless of how they are gerrymandered, IL still gets 20 electoral votes (18 + 2).


Not a problem. Like I said, you are usually spot on. I thought the clarification coming from a friendly position would be better than coming from someone across the aisle.

And how you win a state is by districts which are decided by gerrymandering except in real states like Iowa where they do it the correct way. That is how 13 of 18 districts in Illinois are represented by Democrats. And Illinois is a mostly rural state with only about 4 larger cities full of Dems. But they still control most of the state. The fact that currently the Trumpistas have also attached themselves to Trumps ass(must be getting crowded there by now) matters not to the Control of the state. That is why I have said we have one man rule here and have had the same man for almost 40 years. And the Dumbassses here keep voting the same assholes into office again and again. And when someone dies or goes to jail whoever replaces him or her fall right into line. For more examples see Trump, Donald President. this is why I fear what the future will bring with a reelection of The Donald, I have seen it. Hell, I live it.

 

[gmase]

And how you win a state is by districts which are decided by gerrymandering except in real states like Iowa where they do it the correct way. That is how 13 of 18 districts in Illinois are represented by Democrats.

Elbridge Gerry is rolling over in his grave.

 

[gmase]

Trump the epidemiologist is branching out into genetics:
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-minnesota-good-genes-eugenics-dog-whistle-202828480.html

Was the teleprompter On or Off Saturday in Bemidji (the city is ~80% white according to the 2010 census):
“You have good genes, you know that, right? You have good genes. A lot of it is about the genes, isn’t it, don’t you believe? The racehorse theory. You think we’re so different? You have good genes in Minnesota.”

In case racehorse theory needs context:
"... breeding theories stem from the belief that careful analysis of bloodlines can lend predictability to breeding outcomes. A well-designed mating increases the probability of the offspring's success, although many other factors also come into play."

 

[Theopolis Q. Hossenffer]

Elbridge Gerry is rolling over in his grave.

They call him Pinwheel Elbridge where he is at now.


"Was the teleprompter On or Off Saturday in Bemidji (the city is ~80% white according to the 2010 census):" gmase

Does it matter really?

 

[Luxman]

Ahole Trump and his republican and mafia cronies will do anything illegal to try to keep Trump in the White House.

Trump Campaign Actively Discussing Radical Measures To Bypass Election Results
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...-radical-measures-to-bypass-election-results/

"An investigation by Justin Levitt at Loyola Law School uncovered a total of 31 credible allegations of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion votes cast in the United States from 2000 to 2014."

 

[Luxman]

Trump voters prove we should take his election threat seriously | Erin Burnett

 

[mongo18]

I watched that one last night. Erin Burnett has been pretty entertaining lately.

 

[Theopolis Q. Hossenffer]

I'm with Bill Maher on this one. I expect some violence either way. The Military may plan to stay out but I wonder if they will if the country is burning down. I would hope it is only skirmishes but....

 

[mongo18]

This guy does a good job summing up a thought every reasonable person has had in recent times...

 

[Luxman]

Trump Kept the Quiet Part Quiet About Amy Coney Barrett
The president introduced his Supreme Court pick—but stayed mum about the real reason he needs her.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...arrett-introduced-election-minority-rule.html

 

[mongo18]

Something extraordinary is going to have to be done to undo the damage republicans have done. I don't support the idea of expanding the court, it's just going to lead to a process where the party in power does it every time to get the balance they need. But neither can this minority rule be allowed to continue to remove rights that the majority support.
I like the idea of 18 year limits for SC justices, which would eventually lead to every president getting to nominate a couple. Then it becomes just another policy plank in the platform, every candidate names their handful of picks and stacking the court isn't a thing anymore.

It's sad and worrying to see how quickly the US has fallen under this right wing authoritarian government. I know republicans have been laying the groundwork for this for decades, but until trump came along nobody really believe it could get this bad so quickly. The checks and balances have failed, because the constitution didn't consider that all coequal branches might be corrupted by the same people at the same time.

I'm really torn on who I'd like to see win in November. On one hand, it's important to get rid of trump to stop the freefall, but on the other hand, Joe's most endearing quality is not being the worst option, and if dems don't take the senate it's at least 4 more years of treading water while the country tries to deal with all the bombs trump has left lying around. I almost feel like the US needs another 4 years of this, because it really doesn't appear that you've collectively learned your lesson, but then I think, if a person hasn't learned by now, what could possibly make them learn?

 

[Luxman]

Michael Cohen: There will never be a peaceful transition of power if Trump loses

 

[Theopolis Q. Hossenffer]

Something extraordinary is going to have to be done to undo the damage republicans have done. I don't support the idea of expanding the court, it's just going to lead to a process where the party in power does it every time to get the balance they need. But neither can this minority rule be allowed to continue to remove rights that the majority support.
I like the idea of 18 year limits for SC justices, which would eventually lead to every president getting to nominate a couple. Then it becomes just another policy plank in the platform, every candidate names their handful of picks and stacking the court isn't a thing anymore.

It's sad and worrying to see how quickly the US has fallen under this right wing authoritarian government. I know republicans have been laying the groundwork for this for decades, but until trump came along nobody really believe it could get this bad so quickly. The checks and balances have failed, because the constitution didn't consider that all coequal branches might be corrupted by the same people at the same time.

I'm really torn on who I'd like to see win in November. On one hand, it's important to get rid of trump to stop the freefall, but on the other hand, Joe's most endearing quality is not being the worst option, and if dems don't take the senate it's at least 4 more years of treading water while the country tries to deal with all the bombs trump has left lying around. I almost feel like the US needs another 4 years of this, because it really doesn't appear that you've collectively learned your lesson, but then I think, if a person hasn't learned by now, what could possibly make them learn?

Mongo I truly think that four more years will so dramatically change the country not so much legislatively(if the Congress does not change) but administratively it will be unrecognizable I am not now and never have really been a Biden fan but some semblance of calm is going to be needed to let the situations cool if they can. I read of talk about being so far gone that separation as in 1861 might be the only way to avoid obliteration. Other than making Xi and Vlad so happy they wet the bed how would you do it? In 1861 geographically simple because North and South. Now everyone is everywhere. States may be red or blue but not all parts of each state is all red or all blue. Makes my stomach hurt and when something that big hurts, you had better listen to it.