The tone of porn is becoming uglier

[Will E Worm]

In the U.S. we already see the consequences of a disconnected-from-reality culture with teen girls sending pix of their bodies to boys' cellphones, teen girls giving hummers on the bus, high school gangs creating gangbang initiations, etc.

That is caused by sex-ed, sexual advertising, music, and bad parenting. :hatsoff:

I believe that my country's Constitution, while valuable in principal, has lived out its usefulness for America today. American society (and Western Societies) have advanced toward directions that nobody thought of 15 years ago.

We should be doing more to protect children from adult situations for which they are not mature enough to handle. Plain and simple. :hatsoff:

If you believe that then you aren't an American and can leave any time you wish.

The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land.
Whether you like it or not. :hatsoff: :tongue:

Parents need to protect their children that is the parent's responsibility.
Not the state or anyone else. :wave2:

 

[britlover]

Indeed, always nice to see some genuinelly good, well mannered and mature adult discussion about the industry.

As noted above, during it's late '70s and early '80s still shot on 35mm hayday, the industry even then had it's quirks, eccentricies and problems as ANY business of course does. But most certainly, I agree that the business is unfortunately WAY too damn sleazy an overly-degrading, even more so then is used to me, to appeal to my tastes. It's honestly sometimes a bit too hard to have respect even for some of the ladies who would get themselves into those situations, instead of just opening up they're own tastefully done site & blog and just trying to show off regular tits, muff & ass and tastefully shot photo sets instead of shooting with such modern male primates these days. The '90s shot on VHS hayday of Wicked & Vivid and Annabolic were pretty much the last overly sexy days of what I enjoyed. So online, I mainly look at and save single girl photo shoots (sorry--I'm open minded, but girl-on-girl really doesn't do anything for me, but to each they're own), and older adult film scenes from past decades with the stars in the industry that KNEW how to make love on film.

And I'm glad to see with many of the posts here, as well as the "So what in porn turns you off?" now legendary thread, that it has indeed become a problem for me and many others. It's basically all a turn-off for me now with the modern dot.com-era boom shoot porn. Way too much talking, salivia, fake moaning, and girls who take on either too many guys or who are still cum-dodgers and yet will take anal with a rubber (seriously: for the love of Christ, what the fuck is that? *shakes head*).

Also, I was recently scanning through the Bloggers who have the free pages on askjolene, and it most certainly HAS effected a lot of young minds. Because I came across this guy's profile, and it REALLY effected me what all he wrote: http://blog.askjolene.com/twistedfuck?page=1

Maybe someone can contact askjolene.com, and tell them all that he's wrote, as I believe that gentleman need's mental/psychatric evaluation.

 

[JayJohn85]

Cheers parody was fucking great.....Even made me think of freeones as we got our own maildude lol.

 

[JayJohn85]

Still, the devil is in the details.

I don't believe that all women (or even necessarily MOST women) find cum facials NECESSARILY humiliating or degrading. Intent surely plays a part in that, no?

I agree a 100 per cent with this....I mean its biological woman taste a mans cum, can tell if its good healthy material lmfao. Plus its like god damn your so hot look at the amount of jizz......


However "DO YOU LIKE MY JIZZ ON YOUR FACE, HEY BITCH DO YOU? YOU FUCKING WHORE!"

lulz so yea situational.

 

[Trinidad Gyrl]

This is one of the better threads since I have been here.

Yes, the tone is somewhat distasteful at times, mostly because the degrading things are overdone. Yes, too many guys too often calling the girls bitch now or the simulated choking can be a turn off.

The sex should be varied and different, but seems a lot of people (immature viewers?? ) don't care???

Things like cum on the face. It's good.... but almost every time :o:o:o?
Why not on the stomach, ass, etc, It's actually more erotic. On the face has become overkill. The old films had more variety.

Spitting on dicks, eeehhh it's cool too, but done too much, also in the new films the girl sometimes looks like she is trying to rip the guys dick off or suck him off at top speed..yeah sometimes it's hot, but overkill. I notice in the older films blow jobs are slower, sensual, more tease and the guy can't stand it anymore ..then the girl really goes down on him. Don't tell me some of you guys don't like that better.

Dominate women are sexy, and I know guys sometimes like it, so do women. Dominate as in take charge not abuse. (Why are MILF sites so popular/ This is part of it).

Stories probably take time and most of the guys I know say the hot step up is often better than the "Gonzo" strip and fuck. But I guess no one in the industry wants to spend the time to pen something funny or different, except in some European porn. (like Private).

I'd love to see an online site that has episodes like a TV show and lots of different characters getting it on with regulars and guests with a basic storyline, I bet men and women would get more into it. But then again you'd have to have someone write it.:o

 

[CunningStunts]

Good discussion... I don't mind some of the "rougher" stuff if it looks like the girls are having fun, but some does seem to go over the line these days, and I don't care for the super-mega-gonzo stuff.

I do agree that when anyone became able to shoot a movie, the quality went downhill (mainly in the 80s and 90s). But I do have to admit some of the movies I like watching best on the internet are the "home made" stuff that can be very sexy and intimate. And there are still some very good high-quality porn studios out there today as well...

 

[JayJohn85]

Yea but there is no reason they cant actually capture that amateur magic in mainstream....You say the 80s was bad but I dont agree sex was more realistic. If they included alongside all the wide angle shots they are obsessed with taking some closer angle shots like where they are closer.....Ya know at the point hes about to finish and its like a good mad sprint over the finish line.....Pull out then cream her face if you must do that shot.

Just more realistic about the thing yea sure people try stuff out but most dont do the entire fucking karma sutra in one sitting.

 

[om3ga]

I recall similar FO debates over the dubious merits of "Ghetto Gaggers" and a certain M. Hardcore Esq, and my answer remains the same: market forces. We should decry the increasing abuse of women in the porn industry, but as JaneB said, if people didn't watch the nastier stuff, it wouldn't sell.

Indeed, always nice to see some genuinelly good, well mannered and mature adult discussion about the industry.

As noted above, during it's late '70s and early '80s still shot on 35mm hayday, the industry even then had it's quirks, eccentricies and problems as ANY business of course does. But most certainly, I agree that the business is unfortunately WAY too damn sleazy an overly-degrading, even more so then is used to me, to appeal to my tastes. It's honestly sometimes a bit too hard to have respect even for some of the ladies who would get themselves into those situations, instead of just opening up they're own tastefully done site & blog and just trying to show off regular tits, muff & ass and tastefully shot photo sets instead of shooting with such modern male primates these days. The '90s shot on VHS hayday of Wicked & Vivid and Annabolic were pretty much the last overly sexy days of what I enjoyed. So online, I mainly look at and save single girl photo shoots (sorry--I'm open minded, but girl-on-girl really doesn't do anything for me, but to each they're own), and older adult film scenes from past decades with the stars in the industry that KNEW how to make love on film.

And I'm glad to see with many of the posts here, as well as the "So what in porn turns you off?" now legendary thread, that it has indeed become a problem for me and many others. It's basically all a turn-off for me now with the modern dot.com-era boom shoot porn. Way too much talking, salivia, fake moaning, and girls who take on either too many guys or who are still cum-dodgers and yet will take anal with a rubber (seriously: for the love of Christ, what the fuck is that? *shakes head*).

Also, I was recently scanning through the Bloggers who have the free pages on askjolene, and it most certainly HAS effected a lot of young minds. Because I came across this guy's profile, and it REALLY effected me what all he wrote: http://blog.askjolene.com/twistedfuck?page=1

Maybe someone can contact askjolene.com, and tell them all that he's wrote, as I believe that gentleman need's mental/psychatric evaluation.

PS: I agree with britlover - that blogger should be inside Broadmoor (a high-security psychiatric hospital)....:eek:

 

[maildude]

Hi guys 'n' gals,
I'm new to Freeones, and glad to be here! obviously this crowd sees a lot of porn, so i'm hoping we can have a good discussion about the way it's changing.

Over the last 5 years or so I've noticed a distinct trend in porn where the girls are spoken to in a very mean way, constantly called 'bitches', the guys almost never have a word to say except issue orders ("gag on it" "spread your fucking ass" "look at me while you do that" etc.) the girls are treated fairly roughly, etc. etc. etc.

I dunno about you, but being a heterosexual, I freaking *LIKE* women! Not only the way they look, but their humour, friendliness, their smarts, how sexy and loving they can be.

So I hate seeing this rough stuff. It is a total turn off for me. Not only that, but considering that any kid can see porn online anytime they want, I'm concerned that kids will grow up thinking this is the right way to treat women.

What do y'all think?

I agree. Porn is better produced and filmed than before, but it is LESS of a turn-on.

 

[Jane Burgess]

footville.com is set in a shoe shop.



She's not Euro anymore. Cindy has implants and works in America now. You can have her. Just like the increasingly hideous Aletta Ocean.

LOL That almost makes up for not having hot guys.

 

[britlover]

I recall similar FO debates over the dubious merits of "Ghetto Gaggers" and a certain M. Hardcore Esq, and my answer remains the same: market forces. We should decry the increasing abuse of women in the porn industry, but as JaneB said, if people didn't watch the nastier stuff, it wouldn't sell.



PS: I agree with britlover - that blogger should be inside Broadmoor (a high-security psychiatric hospital)....:eek:

Thanks for the positive rep.

And indeed, I feel he need's psychatric care and medication if that is indeed the man's real feelings towards the opposite sexe! I had mention it on another thread, that there he was on askjolene.com, his profile right htere at the top of they're new pages. Can't believe no one ask reported him yet, as he talks about slaying women and rape being healthy and how "they all fucking desurve it", ect.

 

[Supafly]

D-Rock ...

Man I would have to fullquote your post, because you are sooo dead-on with it.

I have been working with children and young people for a lot of years, and have several teachers in my family and in my circle of friends.

Your point about the impact of porn on the younger generation is really not graphic enough.

Here is a german documentary about this, sadly did not find a english or subtitled version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9zO3PJPieg

There are things happening in youth centers where social workers are bursting into a back room and they find a group of 13year okd girls giving head to a crowd of young boys, there are parents letting their kids watch porn videos with them and without any idea that this could be wrong or harmful.

I have heard - in kindergarten, where I worked then - a 5-year-old boy tell about that movie his brother let him watch with him, '... and then at the finish the men pee in the women's faces' becaue he had 1st no concept there is something else than pee coming ou tof his penis possibly, and 2nd well, to him that seemed to be the natural way to do it.

All this bigotry about abortions and so on, goes completely wrong. They are having a lot of sex and they will get pregnant at 14 or 15 more and more.

And thats just no age for raising kids.

Okay, that was my little off-topic rant.

 

[britlover]

D-Rock ...

Man I would have to fullquote your post, because you are sooo dead-on with it.

I have been working with children and young people for a lot of years, and have several teachers in my family and in my circle of friends.

Your point about the impact of porn on the younger generation is really not graphic enough.

Here is a german documentary about this, sadly did not find a english or subtitled version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9zO3PJPieg

There are things happening in youth centers where social workers are bursting into a back room and they find a group of 13year okd girls giving head to a crowd of young boys, there are parents letting their kids watch porn videos with them and without any idea that this could be wrong or harmful.

I have heard - in kindergarten, where I worked then - a 5-year-old boy tell about that movie his brother let him watch with him, '... and then at the finish the men pee in the women's faces' becaue he had 1st no concept there is something else than pee coming ou tof his penis possibly, and 2nd well, to him that seemed to be the natural way to do it.

All this bigotry about abortions and so on, goes completely wrong. They are having a lot of sex and they will get pregnant at 14 or 15 more and more.

And thats just no age for raising kids.

Okay, that was my little off-topic rant.

First danke Supadupafly for the YouTube link. Even if it is not subtitled for some of us, that is okay, as I haved saved it. I'm friends with a guy who can speak five languages fluently, and I can ask him if there is anything overly shocking about the ten minute clip. I'll just copy & paste it to him via e-mail.

Also to quote some very intersting & disturbing as all fuck things you said:

There are things happening in youth centers where social workers are bursting into a back room and they find a group of 13year okd girls giving head to a crowd of young boys, there are parents letting their kids watch porn videos with them and without any idea that this could be wrong or harmful.

I have heard - in kindergarten, where I worked then - a 5-year-old boy tell about that movie his brother let him watch with him, '... and then at the finish the men pee in the women's faces' becaue he had 1st no concept there is something else than pee coming ou tof his penis possibly, and 2nd well, to him that seemed to be the natural way to do it.

Next thanks for sharing that as it is truely eye-opening. But dammit if that shit isn't truely BEYOND deppressing to hear. After all, for Christ sakes: allowing underage kids to be exposed to adult films before a country's legal age? Kids in they're very early teen's giving blowjob parties/mini orgies? Dude that is super sick and beyond wrong & deppressing. Not to even mention the kindgarten story.

Hopefully sex education and some of us humans are gonna start shaping out in the coming years before psychologically more & more countries become royally fucked in the head.

 

[rickywong]

Honestly, has anyone here watched any porn in the last 5 years? Look back at the years 2000-2005, sites like Meatholes and FacialAbuse were the most popular and every second website was about "tricking girls into sex". Porn girls were bringing up gallons of spit with every BJ and there were movies with titles like "Lick Her Ass Off My Dick" and "Cumshitters". Max Hardcore, Anabolic and Rob Black were destroying porn starlets every day.

Fast forward to 2010 and what have we got? The biggest sites are Brazzers with their endless MILF stocking fetish scenes, RealityKings shooting the same pink-coloured scene 10 times a week, and BangBros having girls running around on the beach laughing at guys with small dicks. Max HC is in jail, FacialAbuse updates about once a month with an established pornstar and Meatholes is long gone. I looked through the new releases this month and the nastiest title I could find was "Put It In My Ass 3" (or possibly "Slut Puppies"?!). Most new "big studio" releases are "parody" movies where the starlets get into ugly ugly costumes and attempt lame comedy.

I could probably find plenty of scenes from 5-10 years ago where the girls are called "bitch, cunt, whore" etc. I really think it would be difficult to find that in a scene produced this year or the last. If anyone wants to prove otherwise, feel free.

Has anyone else noticed this trend? Surely I'm not alone in thinking the zenith of "rough" porn happened several years ago.

 

[britlover]

Honestly, has anyone here watched any porn in the last 5 years? Look back at the years 2000-2005, sites like Meatholes and FacialAbuse were the most popular and every second website was about "tricking girls into sex". Porn girls were bringing up gallons of spit with every BJ and there were movies with titles like "Lick Her Ass Off My Dick" and "Cumshitters". Max Hardcore, Anabolic and Rob Black were destroying porn starlets every day.

Fast forward to 2010 and what have we got? The biggest sites are Brazzers with their endless MILF stocking fetish scenes, RealityKings shooting the same pink-coloured scene 10 times a week, and BangBros having girls running around on the beach laughing at guys with small dicks. Max HC is in jail, FacialAbuse updates about once a month with an established pornstar and Meatholes is long gone. I looked through the new releases this month and the nastiest title I could find was "Put It In My Ass 3" (or possibly "Slut Puppies"?!). Most new "big studio" releases are "parody" movies where the starlets get into ugly ugly costumes and attempt lame comedy.

I could probably find plenty of scenes from 5-10 years ago where the girls are called "bitch, cunt, whore" etc. I really think it would be difficult to find that in a scene produced this year or the last. If anyone wants to prove otherwise, feel free.

Has anyone else noticed this trend? Surely I'm not alone in thinking the zenith of "rough" porn happened several years ago.

And I mentioned that staged/newly popular "Reality Porn" shit because popular the last decade ago once the internet service became much more highly affordable, and website hits went through the roof. As I said a few posts back around '01 and '02 when I was first downloading content like many here as an even more younger & hornier lad, I noticed the quite obviously staged "tricking" of actresses (such as BoobSquad and the like, ect) was catching on as some of the industries had to adjust that many weren't gonna keep buying this fairly new things called DVDs at the time for the prices of what they charge both online and in adult book stores through out the world. And I sort of assumed it might catch on.

Sadly many of us were right.

Wanna know a very kinda weird, personal quirky thing? I can even remember the first few scenes I downloaded. Yes, cause it has been SUCH a part of the industry now, and the bigger stars have went onto do it and we've all seen'em so long, I can remember the first Reality stuff I first downloaded and spanked it to in private.

They were: Daphne Rosen's two episodes for the BangBros off-shoot sites that were BigNaturals.com and of course BoobSquad (which was very interesting, dispite the fact that they left in un-edited the final nearly four whole minutes of the European gentleman jacking onto her tits. anyone remember it? Urgh!). Also the super steamy (fuck it, I don't mind some pussy hair ) Sweetloads.com episode with obscure French-Canadian hottie named "Karen". I even made a large thread on here for her, but only one other photo shoot and a possible mini gang-bang is (supposedly) her only known credits. Makes sense, as she is incredibly FAR too beautiful in my eyes not to mention nicely dressed that day and already right looking enough, to have to do adult film work regularly if she didn't need the money. She probably got a sugar daddy from the biz not long after that and till this day probably bought a home and leads a very good life, ect.

Just me speculation, of course. :2 cents:

 

[rickywong]

And I mentioned that staged/newly popular Reality porn shit because popular the last decade ago once the internet service became much more highly affordable, and website hits went through the roof. As I said a few posts back, around '01 and '02 when I was first downloading content like many here as an even more younger & hornier lad, I noticed the quite obviously staged "tricking" of actresses (such as BoobSquad and the like, ect) was catching on as some of the industries had to adjust that many weren't gonna keep buying this fairly new things called DVDs at the time for the prices of what they charge both online and in adult book stores through out the world, and I sort of assumed it might catch on.

Sadly many of us were right.

But my point is that it DID catch on, became the most popular thing, and has now faded in favour of more standard (some might say boring) porn. Has anyone noticed this?

 

[Smallville417]

Violent, "degrading" porn was found on the walls of ancient Roman baths. I say we blame them... maybe the Greeks too.

Generally speaking, I'm of the opinion that what consenting adults do (on or off camera) is their own business. And if you don't like certain types of porn... don't watch it. :dunno:

If a law was passed that made illegal any porn that SOMEONE found offensive, it would ALL be illegal. If you don't like it... don't watch it. Problem solved. :hatsoff:

Agreed. I know a guy that is highly offended by watching g/g scenes, and said it shouldn't be allowed in porn. I watch what I like, avoid what I don't.

 

[britlover]

Agreed. I know a guy that is highly offended by watching g/g scenes, and said it shouldn't be allowed in porn. I watch what I like, avoid what I don't.

Very interesting. I'm not offended, but oddly enough, I am not particulary attracted to to women going at it. I would MUCH rather be interested in a woman pleasuring me or a fellow man as a fantasy, because I can imagine her giving me male pleasure. I'm not a woman so I can't imagine the pleasure she is getting while being eaten out, having her tits touched, ect.

 

[Afficial_Nastee]

After all , it's just a movie and it's just all acting so they get told what to do by the director and they just do their job as actors and actresses nothing special about it.... And it seems like a lot of porn chicks don't bother about this so called "degrading" and "mysoginistic" porn since most of them usually stay in the business for at least 3 years and that's a minimum....

 

[Rey C.]

Agreed. I know a guy that is highly offended by watching g/g scenes, and said it shouldn't be allowed in porn. I watch what I like, avoid what I don't.

Yeah, as I said, that's what I do as well. No offense to the OP, but I think that what he sees as the "tone of porn" is just his perception. As a percentage of ALL the porn that is produced globally, does what he is talking about as "ugly porn" really occupy a greater percentage of the total than it did 5 years ago, 10 years ago... 25 years ago??? I'm not even sure how a person would measure such a thing. But I do think that people base their views on perception. Like when people come to believe that shark attacks are on the rise because they hear about them on the news every weekend. Often times, the actual data shows that shark attacks are decreasing in a particular area. But let there be two or three on the same beach within a few weeks of each other, and people think they're not safe going in the water.

I was looking through an old trunk some time back and I found some catalogs that I got back in the 80's. The same stuff that a person may believe is ugly porn now, was being advertised in Studio One, SuperLive and even Leisure Time Video back in the day. And I assume the OP's never seen some of the movies from the 70's and 80's, like Her Name Was Lisa with Vanessa del Rio or Jailhouse Girls with Ginger Lynn. There were scenes in those movies that NO (major) studio would touch today. The tone of porn did get much tamer after the Meese Commission went on its witch hunt in the 80's. So maybe his timeline picks up there, and forgets the scenes in movies and photo sessions prior to that. I :dunno:

And like I said, there's not that much new under the sun. There's just a hell of a lot more porn these days... and it's easier to see things from overseas than it used to be. But I've seen vintage shots from the 20's with nude girls in chains, role playing scenes from Roman slave markets, etc. And Bettie Page got famous as a fetish model in the 50's, spanking other girls and being spanked. Remember the times. The things that Bettie did back then were a lot more risque than most anything (mainstream) that's seen now.

As times have passed, you still have to look for the extreme stuff... it doesn't just appear on your screen. It's not as hard to find, but you still have to seek it out. And if you elect to seek it out, (IMO) that's entirely your business.