The tone of porn is becoming uglier

[november 17th]

If you think porn is too abusive try making your own, then you can make it just the way you like it.

I made my own adult drawings for about 6 years.

 

[Raaf]

but I think that what he sees as the "tone of porn" is just his perception. As a percentage of ALL the porn that is produced globally, does what he is talking about as "ugly porn" really occupy a greater percentage of the total than it did 5 years ago, 10 years ago... 25 years ago??? I'm not even sure how a person would measure such a thing. But I do think that people base their views on perception.

It is indeed about perception. But when I for example see Brazzers ads on sites with violent scenes including spitting and choking then I feel as if it must have spread more if the bigger names also put out some of that stuff.

And someone made a good point when mentioning the difference between taking charge and abuse. To me this is the difference between acceptable and not acceptable. Many times you can just feel if it is really "understood humiliation" or plain abuse. The way they react and the look in their eyes tells it all often. And I really doubt that they're all such good actors otherwise they deserve Oscar after Oscar.

Unfortunately there are sites out there that trick people into this stuff. Telling that it will be rough but when the scene plays out some really seemed to suffer and never expected the amount of abuse they get then. Which is just sick and should be illegal in my opinion. And it's not about morals but just the law. Making some of them cry can't be compared to the violence in Hollywood movies as some point out. There they are working with stunts and a plot. If someone cries there it's an act. Clearly not in some of those porn movies which as far as I know is illegal (wilfully harming someone else). There are several testimonies out there regarding some producers who don't even care when people started bleeding while being forced.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Slag sez wot?

 

[shimmy2]

If you think porn is too abusive try making your own, then you can make it just the way you like it.

Remember its JUST A MOVIE. Producers and talent are NOT there to hurt anybody and there is a lot you folks dont see off camera. its akin to pro wrestling and some girls are just really good at acting out the role. hell i've been talent on some fetish sets where there was a masseuse on set giving the girls rubdowns in between rough scenes. shit if i showed you guys the behind the scenes of my spanking videos where the girls are cracking up laughing while being beat redassed you'd think something was wrong with them

So far as the real world goes i've had relationships with some twisted crazy girls that have asked me to choke them etc and i found that super fucking weird. they were not porn watchers or anything like that either some girls just like to be dominated even if its just sexplay

 

[Gruner]

I totally agree with everybody who sees bad talking and rough sex as an absolute turn off

I wonder if the video makers are aware of the fact, that it is much hotter for a majority of viewers, when, for instance even in a bondage clip, the guy ist actually nice and tender to the lady which has been bound and helplessly spread out before him.

Some of the early "insex" clips (now "hardtied") have been like this. The guy was tender and nice to his girl (o. K. not in all those clips...), as soon as he made her absolute helpless...

By the way, I wonder where these old insex clips are gone, especially the ones with a caucasian Girl called "Tyler" and a pierced petite Asian called "bj" :bowdown: . It would be great to have these movie clips downloaded again in a better quality than it was possible at that time.

Can anybody help?

 

[Hot Mega]

What do y'all think?

American porn stars are catering more to a Euro market. I believe that type of porn is more what Europeans are into.

Well, let me not come off as completely ignorant...there are those in the US who get off on rough sex too. Although I don't think it's near as much as what Europeans like....and some girls do like to be fucked and talked to that way.

 

[Jane Burgess]

They would not be making this type of porn if people are not buying it. Supply and demand.

 

[Death-Proof-69]

They would not be making this type of porn if people are not buying it. Supply and demand.

exactly...that and they wouldn't be making it if people weren't willing to do it...there's really no secrets going in as to whats gonna be happening, you sign up to do a facial abuse scene, for example, you know what's gonna be happening and unless you're extremely stupid and/or extremely desperate you wouldn't do it without being fine with it...it's not like anyone is forced to get fucked on film for money, it's a legitimate industry with signed paper work and pre-determined conditions and basic rundown of the type of sex that's going to go on, if a girl doesn't want to do it, but does anyway, then there's no one to blame but her...:2 cents:

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Like everything else on this board this has come up more than once, but in this case it's a good thing. This kind of porn is disgraceful and so is everyone involved in it.

 

[Moonchild22]

I know it has been said that it's just a movie, they are acting, many or most of them are probably enjoying it, but I don't like seeing it. It's a turnoff and it's aggravating. Even the slightest bit of light slapping pisses me off. Honestly, even spanking annoys me. I know I'm not alone, but I also know other people like it, obviously, because it still gets made. The issue seems to be that it's becoming more and more common in porn. It's getting difficult to find movies/scenes that do not have that roughness. Sometimes I wonder if that's becoming "the thing to do" across the board.

 

[Death-Proof-69]

I know it has been said that it's just a movie, they are acting, many or most of them are probably enjoying it, but I don't like seeing it. It's a turnoff and it's aggravating. Even the slightest bit of light slapping pisses me off. Honestly, even spanking annoys me. I know I'm not alone, but I also know other people like it, obviously, because it still gets made. The issue seems to be that it's becoming more and more common in porn. It's getting difficult to find movies/scenes that do not have that roughness. Sometimes I wonder if that's becoming "the thing to do" across the board.

i don't like the abusive stuff, facial abuse etc because that's what it is, abuse and i'm just not into that...some roughness is good, hard sex is good, basically if the girls actively into it and enjoying it i like it...enthusiasm (real, not fake or exaggerated, that's just obnoxious) is the biggest turn on, in real life and in porn for me...but i agree and have noticed the same trend and i'm not sure how to feel about it overall...there's plenty of stuff out there i like, but there's even more that i just skip over so i dunno, i figure that's just the nature of things :dunno:

 

[maildude]

I like the old porn better. :2 cents:

 

[Rey C.]

Unfortunately there are sites out there that trick people into this stuff. Telling that it will be rough but when the scene plays out some really seemed to suffer and never expected the amount of abuse they get then. Which is just sick and should be illegal in my opinion. And it's not about morals but just the law. Making some of them cry can't be compared to the violence in Hollywood movies as some point out. There they are working with stunts and a plot. If someone cries there it's an act. Clearly not in some of those porn movies which as far as I know is illegal (wilfully harming someone else). There are several testimonies out there regarding some producers who don't even care when people started bleeding while being forced.

You're assuming that some of these acts are NOT illegal, when in fact they are (depending on the community). People often assume that the same porn that is legal in L.A. is legal in Charleston, West Virginia - it is not... not necessarily. Outside of using underage performers, whether or not porn is "legal" comes down to the standards of a particular community. The Cambria List is nothing more than a list of acts that was developed by a porn attorney in hopes of keeping his clients out of trouble. But no state AG signed off on it or agreed NOT to prosecute pornographers who abided by it.

I don't buy into the notion that pornographers (the larger ones) trick actors or actresses and force them to perform degrading scenes against their will. She has now turned into a royal flake & quite a weirdo, but at one time I did feel sort of sorry for Cassandra Cruz after seeing some of her Latina Abuse scenes. I wonder if those scenes (and the producer's bragging that the scenes were so harsh that they caused her to retire) contributed to her current weirdness. But anyway, she was over 18, she signed the release, took the money and then allowed herself to be treated (literally) like a dog. She could have said, "take that cock out of my ass", wiped the cum from her nose, mouth and eyes, gotten up off the floor and walked out of the room. But she chose to stay and let herself get roughed up (and yeah, I think she did cry for real). More recently she has admitted that the scenes were extremely degarding, but the male actors were "nice" to her off camera. She is clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm not in favor of creating (yet another) Federal agency to protect stupid people from themselves.

But scat, pissing, blood letting, penetration during bondage and a great many other things ARE illegal in many areas. And when Ed Meese was the AG of the U.S., the DoJ went after many a porn company and distribution house for those types of productions. But with the current volume and the internet, how would the AG of California (or the U.S.) prosecute a Russian porn producer for making rape films outside of Moscow? What does happen (and did happen in my area about a year ago), someone gets their house raided for something else, some sort of porn is found in the residence and then they're charged with possession of obscene materials. Our local cops even arrested a truck driver for having some porn tapes and DVD's in his truck at a rest stop. In Miami, I doubt they would have done anything but make a joke about it. Remember, the government got Max Hardcore mainly because of WHERE his material went, not just because of the material itself. He was found to have violated the standards of that community.

 

[Raaf]

@ Rey. Yes, I know. I meant that some of the stuff that's legal now maybe shouldn't be, judging from what more than a few actresses said after scenes. Some mentioned the director getting off on making them puke without this being in the contract before. They had some general questions about if it would be ok to slap a bit in the face and being called a whore. They agreed to this. Then several of them said that the scene turned out in something very harsh, harder hits and really abusive talk that tried to put them down even more.
I've seen a video where she "tapped" as a sign to get out, then the guy went even harder while choking and the other guy put his dick in her mouth while she was crying. All the time the director was edging them on. To me that sounds quite close to rape. It's that kind of stuff that should have clearer rules I think.

I'm not saying at all that the big names trick people. I always defend these actually when people criticize the industry in general and explain them how things can be run within porn so they know it's not all bad. There's just a few out there on the net who can continue under the mainstream radar but are still big enough to make profit.

PS Regarding Europeans maybe being more into this. Don't know, I'm European and not a fan

 

[CaptBrandon]

You're assuming that some of these acts are NOT illegal, when in fact they are (depending on the community). People often assume that the same porn that is legal in L.A. is legal in Charleston, West Virginia - it is not... not necessarily. Outside of using underage performers, whether or not porn is "legal" comes down to the standards of a particular community. The Cambria List is nothing more than a list of acts that was developed by a porn attorney in hopes of keeping his clients out of trouble. But no state AG signed off on it or agreed NOT to prosecute pornographers who abided by it.

I don't buy into the notion that pornographers (the larger ones) trick actors or actresses and force them to perform degrading scenes against their will. She has now turned into a royal flake & quite a weirdo, but at one time I did feel sort of sorry for Cassandra Cruz after seeing some of her Latina Abuse scenes. I wonder if those scenes (and the producer's bragging that the scenes were so harsh that they caused her to retire) contributed to her current weirdness. But anyway, she was over 18, she signed the release, took the money and then allowed herself to be treated (literally) like a dog. She could have said, "take that cock out of my ass", wiped the cum from her nose, mouth and eyes, gotten up off the floor and walked out of the room. But she chose to stay and let herself get roughed up (and yeah, I think she did cry for real). More recently she has admitted that the scenes were extremely degarding, but the male actors were "nice" to her off camera. She is clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm not in favor of creating (yet another) Federal agency to protect stupid people from themselves.

But scat, pissing, blood letting, penetration during bondage and a great many other things ARE illegal in many areas. And when Ed Meese was the AG of the U.S., the DoJ went after many a porn company and distribution house for those types of productions. But with the current volume and the internet, how would the AG of California (or the U.S.) prosecute a Russian porn producer for making rape films outside of Moscow? What does happen (and did happen in my area about a year ago), someone gets their house raided for something else, some sort of porn is found in the residence and then they're charged with possession of obscene materials. Our local cops even arrested a truck driver for having some porn tapes and DVD's in his truck at a rest stop. In Miami, I doubt they would have done anything but make a joke about it. Remember, the government got Max Hardcore mainly because of WHERE his material went, not just because of the material itself. He was found to have violated the standards of that community.

Yeah I heard that about Cassandra Cruz. So saddening. I quite liked her. But yeah Ghetto Gaggers, *************** and Latina Abuse.com, ect---all of those New Jersey based guys are low-life pieces of shit in my own eyes & opinion, but that is okay. They'll soon & quickly will learn one day that Karma is a total bitch.

 

[AnnaMiller]

I think it's gotten totally stupid.. I get the fetish sub/dom stuff, but they make the new "reality" porn look like it's an every day thing to walk into a room and start slapping a girl around, ripping her clothes off etc. We all know which companies have been pushing their production in this way.

I haven't.

Our porn we shoot is still 100%, which may piss off some people because we are not trying to be actors, we just turn on the camera and capture real swinger parties, or real encounters... no fake lines, no fake setups..

Glad to hear that there are still people out there that were feeling the way some of us were about this

 

[Maggie Green]

Very interesting thread. As I have always said, to each their own. If someone wasn't watching it, they wouldn't film it. Because of the internet being global, you can literally access anything anytime anywhere. I am personally appalled by stuff like Max Hardcore but as much as I hate to admit it, that sort of stuff has the right to exist as long as the parties involved consent to it. No matter how you flip it, it's all pornography and as someone said, they know someone who is disgusted by g/g...when I happen to think that g/g is some of the hottest stuff out there. So everyone has different tastes and that, I suppose, is the beauty of it. Do I like some of this degrading shit? Not especially. But I respect that some guys do...although I'd never date them : )

 

[CaptBrandon]

I think it's gotten totally stupid.. I get the fetish sub/dom stuff, but they make the new "reality" porn look like it's an every day thing to walk into a room and start slapping a girl around, ripping her clothes off etc. We all know which companies have been pushing their production in this way.

I haven't.

Our porn we shoot is still 100%, which may piss off some people because we are not trying to be actors, we just turn on the camera and capture real swinger parties, or real encounters... no fake lines, no fake setups..

Glad to hear that there are still people out there that were feeling the way some of us were about this

Fully agreed. Even the camsites have gotten boring. All the females do now is beg for tips from the "loser" guys in the room, when often times we watch as couples with our fiances such as when I do, ect.

But getting back to the adult film industry: Yes, it has gotten beyond ridiculous. The average "gentleman" that walks into frame during modern day Gonzo work --- looking beyond buff and heavily tattooed, and giving off a vibe that he or his friend perhaps just got through doin' some prety serious federal jail time of having 12 to 18 months of his life taken away and not just some bullshit over-nighter at the county lockup --- and begins NO Real sweet talking of the woman but instead just starts stick his dry fingers and dry manhood into her and forcing himself down her thread & such, ect.

It's all about (in an odd sense now) what I like to call "big cock worshipping and the degrading of the 'slut' when not all women are as such". And yeha it has gotten beyond ridiuculous over time. I mean sure, Gonzo in the early to mid '80s was AWESOME before overly graphic HD camers came onto the adult scene, ya know? Guys like Ed Powers & Randy West had series like Dirty Debutaunts and Up 'N Cummers and the like, and they were average to above-average built guys that would talk a gal new to the industry and would make love to her in a none-too-degradeful mannor. For ME now, one of the things that I most seriously loathe is pretty much the modern website & modern shot for standard def DVD & Blu Ray high-def film look. I mean of the video used. Now sure, I'm a serious cinephile that only collectors Blu Rays now of real movies, but c'mon: when I talk about porn, this Aspie with Asperger's Syndrome knows that many of the actors, such as Ron Jeremy and the like, were NEVER meant to be seen in high-def. No real disrespect meant to him or others but it is fairly disgusting seeing all of the blemishes & boils that we ALL have as there is no such thing as perfection & the like.

Now if ANYONE here in the adult film industry re-reads most of this thread as well as the one that I just revived entitled "Things in porn that turn you off, insatntly" by clicking on my recently posted stuff, it would be greatly apprechiated in that regard. Now yes it is true, we ALL has differing sexual tastes and it is all cool; for example some guys don't like to watch somethin' as simple as a fellow man giving a gal pleasure by down on her. And some guys are still against breast augmentation (implants), which I respect, Hoenstly if they look good a solid 80% of the time then I don't give a damn myself, personally.

But yes the over all degradful, "let's try to make this an over 50 minute marathon!" style shooting of some of the modern day sequences with such ladies as the attractive canuck Lauren Phoenix and Seattle native Gianna Michaels or legendary European hardman Rocco Siffredi (whom really gets on my nerves now, truly) worries me. To quote Joe Rogan on a recent podcast of his that I watched on Youtube this year, I mean a lot of that Miami shot Gonzo stuff for example from the whole BangBros.com crowd is like watching mentally retarded people fucking! I mean are gals like Gianna trying to break the poor guy's cock off during the 'loving making', for Christ our savior sakes? And what is with all of the spit, mean-spirited names and constant degrading stuff, ya know?

And to the post above from Ms. Green: Hey I can seriously & totally respect that--no lie. Indeed: It would NOT be produced if someone wasn't getting off on it. I just seriously hope many of my fellow males here aren't turing into such overly violent assholes & that many of the female population isn't demanding ont he job/set acting bitches. A lot of the modern adult film industry since the early '2000s "Meatholes.com" days truly annoys me/irks me/disturbs me finally, and that is no lie sometimes. Dunno, but I just honestly feel like human sexuality shouldn't be a marathon. I mean I watch a Jenna Haze/Gianna Michaels/Rocco scene last year that was like 52 (!!!) minutes long. I was like "Christ have mercy, how much longer is he trying not to cum? And can someone PLEASE wipe these actors down with some towels, please? So much sweat & imagining what that set already smells like with all of that latex/fetish clothing from the on set wardrobe providor isn't that attractive to me". Just a starch suggestion.

Much respect to you as I throughly enjoyed your post, Ms. Miller ...

 

[Deepcover]

Very interesting thread. As I have always said, to each their own. If someone wasn't watching it, they wouldn't film it. Because of the internet being global, you can literally access anything anytime anywhere. I am personally appalled by stuff like Max Hardcore but as much as I hate to admit it, that sort of stuff has the right to exist as long as the parties involved consent to it. No matter how you flip it, it's all pornography and as someone said, they know someone who is disgusted by g/g...when I happen to think that g/g is some of the hottest stuff out there. So everyone has different tastes and that, I suppose, is the beauty of it. Do I like some of this degrading shit? Not especially. But I respect that some guys do...although I'd never date them : )

That's pretty much how feel about it.

 

[vodkazvictim]

I never desired to demean women untill AFTER marriage.