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[Rey C.]

Wow, if that wasn't the most entertaining (and ugly) F1 race that I've seen in a looooong time. I turned on an F1 race and it was NASCAR with wings and open cockpits.

Great drive by Vettel. I guess he was about the only guy who had a clean race. As for Maldonado, hell, just go ahead and give Carmen Jorda his seat. She couldn't drive a nail in a wet piece of pine. But once she wrecks the car, she'll put those short-shorts back on and stand in the garage (like during practice and qualifying). But I can't make too much fun of Pastor, since Lewis hit everything but the pace car too. And I feel really sorry for Kimi. I think he had the measure of Rosberg this race and could have beaten him. A solid second might have saved his Ferrari seat. As it is, this race aside, I think that he's probably gone from Ferrari.

 

[The Identifier]

This is Maldonado's 5th year in F1 and his frequency of incidents/accidents/mistakes/penalties during that time is getting beyond the joke.

It's sad when a driver is kept on by a team for sponsorship money alone. Heaven knows, why else would he still be there?

He won the Spanish GP in 2012 and fair play to him for that, but really, he can consider himself very lucky to be in F1.

Personally, I would have handed out far greater punishments for things he did a few years ago. Namely deliberately driving into Hamilton in qualifying at Spa in 2011 and doing the exact same thing to Perez in a practice session at Monaco in 2012. That was the very event after his win in Spain! Doing things like that is ***** of your super license.

I had forgotten about F1's penalty points system and looked it up. Maldonado and Grosjean both have 6 points. 12 points is what gets you a race ban.

 

[dpantski]

This is Maldonado's 5th year in F1 and his frequency of incidents/accidents/mistakes/penalties during that time is getting beyond the joke.

It's sad when a driver is kept on by a team for sponsorship money alone. Heaven knows, why else would he still be there?

He won the Spanish GP in 2012 and fair play to him for that, but really, he can consider himself very lucky to be in F1.

Personally, I would have handed out far greater punishments for things he did a few years ago. Namely deliberately driving into Hamilton in qualifying at Spa in 2011 and doing the exact same thing to Perez in a practice session at Monaco in 2012. That was the very event after his win in Spain! Doing things like that is ***** of your super license.

I had forgotten about F1's penalty points system and looked it up. Maldonado and Grosjean both have 6 points. 12 points is what gets you a race ban.

I do want to point out amidst all my criticism of Maldonado, that I do think he's talented enough to be in F1 but he simply doesn't seem to learning from his mistakes. Massa was very accident prone in his first couple of years but after a while (maybe with Ferrari telling him they wouldn't tolerate to many incidents) he mostly eliminated that from his driving.

Is that penalty point system reset each year or is it permanent? I don't recall Grosjean doing anything too silly this year but then I'm watching less F1 at the moment.

 

[Rey C.]

The penalty system is a rolling 12 month period, right?

But yes, Pastor has retained a seat in F1 because of the oil money that he brings. Milka Duno was dipping from that same well. But at least she didn't act like she was in racing because of merit. She was actually quite humble and seemed to feel lucky that she was getting the chance to live a *****. I liked her and her sincere realization of that. But I put Pastor in pretty much in the same boat as Danicant Patrick. While both have a certain measure of talent. Neither is where they are based purely on merit or talent. And in my opinion, they're both pretty arrogant about the whole deal. That's the one thing I truly **** about upper echelon auto racing (more so F1 than NASCAR): you just know there's some poor ***, somewhere in the wilderness, who has loads of talent and he could whip the fire out of a good many in the field right now. That's one reason I've liked Hamilton up to this point. He's beginning to do things and act in a way that I find increasingly hard to accept. But at one time, he was [NOBABE]"that ***"[/NOBABE]. If these elitist teams weren't so stuck on finding the latest, over-privileged offspring of some rich guy with connections, that's [NOBABE]the ***[/NOBABE] who could win a WDC and not whimper like a puppy when he lost.

Edit To Add: I see that Milka has a Babe Link here and they've got her as a 34B. If she's a 34B, then I'm shorter than Danica. That stat should be corrected. She (or her gentleman friend) paid dang good money for those D cups.

 

[The Identifier]

Yes, any penalty points handed out last for 12 months and are then taken away. As long as you don't rack up 12 points during that period then you're OK.

That's one reason I've liked Hamilton up to this point. He's beginning to do things and act in a way that I find increasingly hard to accept. But at one time, he was [NOBABE]"that ***"[/NOBABE].

I know exactly what you mean and agree.

 

[dpantski]

The penalty system is a rolling 12 month period, right?

But yes, Pastor has retained a seat in F1 because of the oil money that he brings. Milka Duno was dipping from that same well. But at least she didn't act like she was in racing because of merit. She was actually quite humble and seemed to feel lucky that she was getting the chance to live a *****. I liked her and her sincere realization of that. But I put Pastor in pretty much in the same boat as Danicant Patrick. While both have a certain measure of talent. Neither is where they are based purely on merit or talent.

I disagree here, Pastor is talented enough to win races and score significant points if his car is good. Sure he won't perform consistently but he does have the raw pace that a lot of pay drivers don't.

 

[Rey C.]

Even though my grammar was pretty bad the day that I posted that, Dpantski, are you saying that Pastor would get a ride even if he didn't have a check in his back pocket?

That's what I meant when I said (rather poorly):

While both have a certain measure of talent. Neither is where they are based purely on merit or talent

I'm not saying that he's horrible. But from his days in GP2 to now, for every good performance, it seems like Pastor will rack up many more bad ones. If someone had the time, we could even develop a Pastor Ratio, to track crashes vs. points finishes. There's another GP2 driver that reminds me of Pastor when he was there. If you catch any GP2 races, check out Sergio Canamasas. He's "fun" to watch too. Imagine a team with Pastor, Sergio and my personal all-time favorite, Shiggy "The Human Wrecking Ball" Hattori, in it. Wow, imagine holding shares in a carbon fiber company if that ever happened.

 

[Supafly]

The questions about how things would go if all drivers would have the same car and the same overall gitgo... ineresting yet highly academic. The whole racing circus is so rigged that it's almost always the top few against the rest who are just in it to fill up the field and to gain some points and fr other things than titles.

When is that summer break over already!!

 

[The Identifier]

Raikkonen's a lucky boy over a new contract but not so much over his problem in qualifying. With Vettel only managing 9th though it may have saved his blushes. What was that all about? So much for being in contention for the World Championship...

It doesn't bode for a particularly exciting race at the front unless the new start procedures throw up something interesting. Bottas is our only hope.

It sucks for Grosjean that he has to serve a 5-place grid penalty in a race where he qualified 4th.

On the subject of penalties, handing McLaren a 105-place grid penalty is absurd. Either start painting grid slots that far back or do away with this ludicrous system.

 

[Rey C.]

So, is it now time to stick a fork in Rosberg?

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The gift that he got from Monaco seems to have been taken back by Karma this past weekend. And Hamilton is dominating him this season, in every category, as never before. Personally, I'd like to see Vettel beat him to 2nd in the WDC. I don't dislike Rosberg. But I'd rather see someone get 2nd in the WDC that has to carry the car, rather than someone who has been (largely) carried by the car to get it. Since the pitwall boys have been taken away as in-race coaching tools, Rosberg seems to have REALLY fallen off. Not against Lewis, but from 2nd back, I'll be cheering for a Ferrari for the first time since the mid 90's!

Plus, Seb is a real character. I think he's a lot more genuine than any driver out there these days. Other than monotone Kimi, I can't think of another driver that will speak his mind to such a degree.

 

[The Identifier]

Yep, that's it. Seb is no threat to Lewis in the Championship but he is to Nico. He has valid excuses for a lack of performance this weekend but if he didn't finish 2nd in the Championship he'd have a lot to answer for.

 

[larss]

I did feel a bit for Nico, being just 2 laps from the finish when his engine blew but as Rey suggests, it does seem a little like karma.

 

[Supafly]

Here is the official F1 website with the actual points:

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Hamilton 252
Rosberg 199
Vettel 178
Massa 99

That is pretty over for #1. Reminds me of the german soccer league, Bayern Munich usually runs ahead of the teams.

I would enjoy seeing Vettel do as good or better than he did lately and Rodberg get the slide down to number three. Vettel is just a more inspiring driver, and it makes for overall entertainment for sure!

 

[YandelIdbell]

I am a big fan of the F1 racing sport. As my search produced no thread that was active in the last month, only threads that included other kinds of motorsport, I am creating this one.

We are nearing the third race after the summer break in F1, and afterthe events in race two in Spa, things areheating up really well. Premium Link Upgrade

For starters, Hamilton and Rosberg obviously were told to play lovey-dovey at a press conference, yeah, we all make mistakes, my bad, let's move on, yadda yadda.

Red Bull is not really so far behind any more, especially now that Daniel Ricciardo won in Spa. Still, Sebastian Vettel is struggling, and I believe it's not the car. It is a head game and his teammate is better at it. And he's a rookie, too. Suck it up, Sebastia.

This weekend, 5th to 7th of september it is the FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO D'ITALIA 2014, in Monza. An historicalrace classic ifthere ever was one.

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Will be another race that is extremely highspeed.

If Roberg can stay out of each others way as long as the race is on, they wiil both be on the podium, and one of them first place, in my opinion.

So, what do YOU think?

Yep, pole position had alluded Hamilton for so long (first one since Spain) and then when he finally gets it he has a shocking start and is down to P4 by turn one! Anyway, brilliant recovery drive and clearly ****** Rosberg to crumble under the pressure.

 

[Rey C.]

With his victory in Singapore, Vettel has now eclipsed the late, great Ayrton Senna's wins record. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I like Vettel, but I basically worshiped Senna. I knew that both Vettel and Hamilton would eventually pass him. But still, it feels odd to see Senna now in 4th... and soon to be 5th.

BTW, how amazing was it to see Mercedes so out of sorts in Singapore and Ferrari totally on song? I see that as a precursor of things to come. My feeling/guess is that Hamilton will win a couple more this year (at least) and take the WDC going away. I think next year will be a much tougher battle for him and Mercedes. But short of a Merc implosion, he should squeak out another WDC next season. But in 2017, I think that's when it's going to get hot and heavy. I think 2017 will be all out war and Mercedes, Ferrari and maybe Red Bull will be trading victories in rapid fashion. Also, I figure by 2017, lil Maxie Verstappen will be taken from the ***'s table and will be in long pants at Red Bull.

 

[Rey C.]

With his victory in Singapore, Vettel has now eclipsed the late, great Ayrton Senna's wins record. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I like Vettel, but I basically worshiped Senna. I knew that both Vettel and Hamilton would eventually pass him. But still, it feels odd to see Senna now in 4th... and soon to be 5th.

BTW, how amazing was it to see Mercedes so out of sorts in Singapore and Ferrari totally on song? I see that as a precursor of things to come. My feeling/guess is that Hamilton will win a couple more this year (at least) and take the WDC going away. I think next year will be a much tougher battle for him and Mercedes. But short of a Merc implosion, he should squeak out another WDC next season. But in 2017, I think that's when it's going to get hot and heavy. I think 2017 will be all out war and Mercedes, Ferrari and maybe Red Bull will be trading victories in rapid fashion. Also, I figure by 2017, lil Maxie Verstappen will be taken from [NOBABE]the ***'s[/NOBABE] table and will be in long pants at Red Bull.

 

[Supafly]

That Grand Prix weekend showed how much both Hamilton and Rosberg owe to superior craftsmenship and design. If they do not have the cars that are on a level way higher, they shrinkdown to sizes that show that other drivers can well compare to them - or, as in Vettel's case, prove that he was not four-time champion for nothing.

Now the competition is all the way on suddenly!

 

[larss]

Singapore is a strange race in that it is a street circuit at night, so the track tends to cool and this obviously did not suit the mercs. It would have been interesting to see how Lewis would have done if his car had not let him down, given that he was going to finish on the supersoft tyres. Not first, but I reckon he may have made the podium.
Let's see how it turns out this weekend at Suzuka.

 

[Rey C.]

It's been so wet in Suzuka thus far that we've been unable to tell who has "the package" this weekend and who doesn't. It's supposed to be drying out for FP3 and qualifying, so I'm expecting the natural order of things to return... somewhat. But I really have to take my hat off to Ferrari for the progress that they've made this season. It's really amazing. Maybe if instead of throwing rocks at Renault, Red Bull had worked with Renault, they could have also made more progress.

And speaking of Red Bull, how dumb do you have to be to split with your engine supplier before having something better all but nailed down? IMO, they should have stuck with Renault until they knew that Audi was on board. But I don't think VAG/Audi is even thinking about F1 now. And if all Ferrari is prepared to offer are B-spec engines to Red Bull next year, do they take their rattle and stomp home?


Funny side thought... I think it would be hilarious if Toro Rosso could secure the Honda engine next year and beat McLaren.

 

[Supafly]

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And speaking of Red Bull, how dumb do you have to be to split with your engine supplier before having something better all but nailed down?

Ha Ha, yes! Goes to show how many really stupid decisions or VERY long shots are made in the F! circuits.That Red Bull owner must have a shitlod of money to burn!!!

IMO, they should have stuck with Renault until they knew that Audi was on board. But I don't think VAG/Audi is even thinking about F1 now. And if all Ferrari is prepared to offer are B-spec engines to Red Bull next year, do they take their rattle and stomp home?


Funny side thought... I think it would be hilarious if Toro Rosso could secure the Honda engine next year and beat McLaren.

They should really get a better, and stable engine to run with. I think Riccardo could be a permanent inhabitant of that little stairwell with three steps