I have written about this before.What a joke to call NASCAR real racing.All of it is scripted and staged-(how stupid can Americans be?)...and slow,slow,slow....This weekend in Richmond the NASCAR cars qualified at 129mph on a 3/4 mile track........and a couple of months ago the IRL/Indy Cars qualified at 172mph on the same track!---I guess I just cannot understand why people in My country go for this "racing entetainment" that is not real racing.It is like a soap opera in NASCAR,,,,,like the WWE...all the outcomes are scripted and rehearsed.It is a money maker for the rednecks and ignorant people but I feel that it is shameful for the sport of motor racing/that is "real" auto racing such as Formula 1 or IRL/Indy racing.--:2 cents:
The Joke of Nascar..
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Are you telling me / us that there's no politics in F1 ?
I most certainly agree with you on the (TRASHCAR) long restrictor plate (Talledega, Daytona) races . . . it's not racing whatsoever !
F1 teams opt for team points at the ending of the season etc. i.e. - radio to certain drivers to let oyher drivers pass etc
I most certainly agree with you on the (TRASHCAR) long restrictor plate (Talledega, Daytona) races . . . it's not racing whatsoever !
F1 teams opt for team points at the ending of the season etc. i.e. - radio to certain drivers to let oyher drivers pass etc
I am telling You that NASCAR is a stageplay.Slow cars,fake caution flags for debris on the track when no debris is there.It is for children and ignorant people that accept it.Just like the WWE....entertainment.Not real racing.
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I agree, it's a bunch of corporate - commercialized garbage, some of it. If it was all fixed, we'd certainly hear about it from somebody in the media.
I don't know if we can effectively condemn the entire circuit. Do you really believe that each race is predecided ? I'm as cynical as they come. BTW
Now, onto this -
I didn't see what the issue was - i.e. - What results would you be more comfortable with ?
Who should be faster / slower ?
Not that I am a huge fan, but if you have some factual proof that it is staged, I will certainly view it.
If NASCAR is staged then Dale Jr., Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart would be the only ones to win a race. Jr. hasn't even been in "The Chase" for two years. Maybe I'm over thinking this but if I was going to STAGE something I would have my biggest star in the playoffs. As far as the speed goes the cars are twice as heavy as F1 or Indy cars and the tires are a hell of lot smaller.
I'm not a fan of NASCAR (just can't really get into it) but the above point by Red Wing is a big part of why I can't believe it is staged. Dale Jr. is probably the biggest star in the "sport" and he sucks royally. When his father died in his crash, was that all part of the storyline? I would really need some proof to believe all the crashes especially are staged.:dunno:
I've been a big NASCAR fan for many years. I don't watch or attend any other sport, and last time I checked I am not a "redneck" nor am I "white trash".
I'd like to get in a rant about B-ball, Football, Baseball etc., but I won't. (over paid pre-madonna crybabies)
To each his/her own. :2 cents:
I'd like to get in a rant about B-ball, Football, Baseball etc., but I won't. (over paid pre-madonna crybabies)
To each his/her own. :2 cents:
That is an extremely good point. I very highly doubt that they staged Dale Earnhardt's death. Or is he really sunning himself somewhere and it was all a fake? And there have been too many serious injuries in the sport. And what about the Busch Series and the Craftsman truck series? Are they staged as well? What about all the other 'stock' car racing series? Which one of those are staged? Or all they all?
Unless one has compelling factual evidence that it is staged it is just something I am not even beginning to be prepared to believe - no offense.
Which of course is why they draw huge crowds in California,Arizona,Illinois,Indiana,Nevada,Pennsylvania,Michigan and New Hampshire.
I just read in another thread you're getting married in a week. Now I understand why you popped off an anxiety ridden, anger laced thread about how stupid ignorant American "rednecks" are because NASCAR happens to occur in their country, all the while completely missing the boat on physics, aerodynamics, horsepower-to-weight ratios, contact patch areas on tires, downforce, traction control, etc. etc. But F-1, $100 million remote control races won by engineers in the pits is real racing? Fuck 'em both, neither of them holds a candle to Moto GP (although it is unfortunate Casey Stoner is running away with it) which is real racing.
Doesn't matter, you're getting married in a week, life as you know it has ended, you'll see. Now lock it up.
This was the last sentence of his first post:
'but I feel that it is shameful for the sport of motor racing/that is "real" auto racing such as Formula 1 or IRL/Indy racing.'
He was referring to auto racing.
I agree Moto GP is great racing. But they are not autos.
You are probably right. But who knows, his life may actually change for the better.
NASCAR has a couple of problems in my opinion.
1. They don't drive on enough road courses. The fact that they are not open wheel doesn't bother me but going in an oval does. If anything they should only be on a couple of ovals a year at best. Oval racing isn't racing.
2. They should change their name. There is almost absolutely nothing stock about the cars. They are not stock cars and it isn't stock car racing. I think the only thing that is even remotely similar is the general shape at the very front of the car and with templates they have to follow even that isn't really true anymore. I get a laugh out of people that like a certain manufacture or want to go out and buy a certain car because of somebody doing good in NASCAR. There is nothing remotely similar about the cars you can buy at the dealer and the ones out on the track. At least with things like F1, Indycar, and Champ racing they don't pretend there is.
3. NASCAR needs to structuralize and completely clarify the rulebook. I swear they just make up stuff as they go along half the time, and they have a lot of arbitrary judgments that don't make sense. They need to make it black and white, change it after the year or whatever if they need to, but the rules are the rules and they either help somebody out in that situation or they don't. Don't bend them because you feel the situation needs it however.
4. They have waaaaayyyyyyyy too many cautions. It's ridiculous. Racecar driving is always going to be inherently risky. It gets to be too much when they are willing to stop the race for some thing like a little piece of foam that isn’t' even in the racing grove. I also have to go with the sentiment some people have that a lot of those cautions always seem to come out at the right time for a lot of people. I would hate to race in a racing league where you can continually get a big lead just to have it evaporate from a situation that has nothing to do with yourself. Not only that there is too much effort to try and get peoples laps back. If your racing and you get lapped, in my opinion, you don't deserve to have any chance of winning the race anyway.
5. The Car of Tomorrow while seaming to be a good idea isn't. It's becoming too standardized. If it keeps going NASCAR is going to become IROC in disguise. A lot of the factors that go into winning should be on the driver, but this is auto racing and just as much that goes into racing should be on who can also build the best car. That has always been a part of racing.
I do agree with Phaeton that NASCAR has the best pit shops, but that's about it. Every racing series pit stops should be done like that and they should require tires to have five lug nuts on them just so it takes a lot of skill getting them off and on. Their the pit crews need to be skilled and make a big difference. In other series they tend to be a non-factor.
I hate to say it but if NASCAR could just fix a few things it wouldn't be half bad.
1. They don't drive on enough road courses. The fact that they are not open wheel doesn't bother me but going in an oval does. If anything they should only be on a couple of ovals a year at best. Oval racing isn't racing.
2. They should change their name. There is almost absolutely nothing stock about the cars. They are not stock cars and it isn't stock car racing. I think the only thing that is even remotely similar is the general shape at the very front of the car and with templates they have to follow even that isn't really true anymore. I get a laugh out of people that like a certain manufacture or want to go out and buy a certain car because of somebody doing good in NASCAR. There is nothing remotely similar about the cars you can buy at the dealer and the ones out on the track. At least with things like F1, Indycar, and Champ racing they don't pretend there is.
3. NASCAR needs to structuralize and completely clarify the rulebook. I swear they just make up stuff as they go along half the time, and they have a lot of arbitrary judgments that don't make sense. They need to make it black and white, change it after the year or whatever if they need to, but the rules are the rules and they either help somebody out in that situation or they don't. Don't bend them because you feel the situation needs it however.
4. They have waaaaayyyyyyyy too many cautions. It's ridiculous. Racecar driving is always going to be inherently risky. It gets to be too much when they are willing to stop the race for some thing like a little piece of foam that isn’t' even in the racing grove. I also have to go with the sentiment some people have that a lot of those cautions always seem to come out at the right time for a lot of people. I would hate to race in a racing league where you can continually get a big lead just to have it evaporate from a situation that has nothing to do with yourself. Not only that there is too much effort to try and get peoples laps back. If your racing and you get lapped, in my opinion, you don't deserve to have any chance of winning the race anyway.
5. The Car of Tomorrow while seaming to be a good idea isn't. It's becoming too standardized. If it keeps going NASCAR is going to become IROC in disguise. A lot of the factors that go into winning should be on the driver, but this is auto racing and just as much that goes into racing should be on who can also build the best car. That has always been a part of racing.
I do agree with Phaeton that NASCAR has the best pit shops, but that's about it. Every racing series pit stops should be done like that and they should require tires to have five lug nuts on them just so it takes a lot of skill getting them off and on. Their the pit crews need to be skilled and make a big difference. In other series they tend to be a non-factor.
I hate to say it but if NASCAR could just fix a few things it wouldn't be half bad.
It is racing. It is just not your version of racing. Racing someone to the end of the street is racing. Racing to finish a test first is racing.
I agree with that. They were virtually stock cars once - not anymore.
Well, they make so many rules strictly to keep everyone even. When someone finds an edge, NASCAR wants to terminate that edge - fast.
I agree that they have too many cautions. But when you are driving on a closed oval with fans only feet from the track; you cannot have debris strewn all over the track just waiting for some car to fling it into the crowd at high speed. The first kid that gets killed and that could really hurt the profits.
One thing I like about the Car Of Tomorrow is that it is safer then the old ones. For one thing, the driver is a few inches closer to the centre of the car - which is safer. And apparently a few other things as well.
Yeah, the pit stops are cool.
I don't really disagree with you. But NASCAR is not about racing - IMO. It's about profit. It's a modern day gladiator type spectacle that they can pack into confined spaces and load them with fans.
It's entertainment and profits. Nothing more. Like all major sports.
Just another way to keep the masses content. Which is - IMO - why many governments support them so strongly.
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