The I Told You So Obama Will Fuck Up Thread

[Bloodshot Scott]

There's plenty going wrong and you're plenty sane (seemingly); I just can't take all these doomsday people seriously. I'm not going to get into Bush-bashing but I'm SO confused by people who think Obama isn't a step up. I mean... :dunno::dunno::dunno: Seriously. But then there were people that were actually happy in '04 with Bush (a lot, since I'm Southern) and I'll never understand that fact about them.

They're actually probably a good thing (the Southerners), because otherwise, we'd probably turn globalist and want to have a big "group hug" with the world and open our borders and so on. Yeah, the backwoods pig fuckers are some different breed for sure though.

BTW, I supported Bush in '00 (too young to vote), for Nader in '04, and for Baldwin in '08. Try figuring that one out. :rofl:

 

[titsrock]

Does anyone find it amusing that the Wackoes and WingNuts on Fox News are using "teabagging" as a way to poke a thumb at Congress?

Do Conservatives honestly not know the sexual connotations for "teabagging"? Or, is that the point? They actually DO want to go to Congress and suck the nutsack of whoever they find there? I kind of have to believe that the "smear merchants" on Fox and in RedStateAmerica have nothing but teabagging on their minds 24/7.....

What's next--let's "Cleveland Steamer the Senate!":eek:

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Does anyone find it amusing that the Wackoes and WingNuts on Fox News are using "teabagging" as a way to poke a thumb at Congress?

Do Conservatives honestly not know the sexual connotations for "teabagging"? Or, is that the point? They actually DO want to go to Congress and suck the nutsack of whoever they find there? I kind of have to believe that the "smear merchants" on Fox and in RedStateAmerica have nothing but teabagging on their minds 24/7.....

What's next--let's "Cleveland Steamer the Senate!":eek:

Give us an example of the "smearing." I don't think FOX smears, but I don't agree with a good bit of their stuff. Nevertheless, labeling them "smear merchants" isn't really truthful.

 

[titsrock]

^I ripped "smear merchants" from BillO. He likes to use it.

Don't you agree it seems kind of strange for the conservatives to rally behind "teabagging"? Are they really clueless or are they just confirming to everyone that they are sexified zombies?

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

^I ripped "smear merchants" from BillO. He likes to use it.

Don't you agree it seems kind of strange for the conservatives to rally behind "teabagging"? Are they really clueless or are they just confirming to everyone that they are sexified zombies?

Jeeze, it seems you are (sexually) preoccupied/paranoid. Only us pervs read into shit like that, like that.

 

[bustybbwlover]

Listen to what and how he talks about this country, he puts us down, he's the president dammit he needs to be positive about us not go in there and talk to all of us like we are his kids. The two primary system is not very democratic I know you probably were being cynical.

i prefer the president to be honest vs to be positive. and yes i do think our two party system isn't very democratic, as more than just cynicism. i see it as a real problem particularly as the both parties move closer and closer to the center.

 

[Wainkerr99]

"The more things change, the more they stay the same." Morpheus, "The Matrix Reloaded."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7993177.stm

 

[Hot Mega]

"The more things change, the more they stay the same." Morpheus, "The Matrix Reloaded."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7993177.stm

From your link;

"The supplementary money is needed to pay for the new Afghan strategy and the reduction of combat troops in Iraq."

How is that the same?

 

[don_equis]

Yes, because to bring down fascism is not what is important here, it's which of the countrires who fought were better than the rest. I dont want to be dissrespectful, is that a statement only an American could make? I never hear it from anyone else, why is that? Please enlighten me to this superiority complex you seem to have over the rest of the world because thats shows a complete lack of respect for every single soldier who fought and died in that conflict no matter what country they were from.

I Meant what I said as in "no disrespect". Fact is that militarily we are superior and yes we were the richest country in the world now with all those bail outs we might be broke. Not superior complex is the fact that we are mostly better at what matters when most other countries like to flex their might...go ask Russia they just did it a few months ago. Don't twist my previous words to accomodate your omission of facts. We got dragged into those two world wars, when did we got the world involved in that magnitude before? We won those wars (fact) and we helped financially in the rebuilding Europe (fact) deny those statements with blanks attacks of "superiority complex and disrespect to soldiers statements"

What does it matter? Seriously what doesn it matter if the US "saved our asses", which is the statement I hear most often. Isnt it more important to you as it is to the rest of us that this great evil was brought down? Or are the cheap points made by those kind of statements better than the knowledge that at two times in the recent past a group of nations came together to fight for what is right.

Because you young generation of Europe have become so forgetful of history and ungrateful too...but is understandable when your country is at the top. We should just stop getting involve in the wolrd's bussiness and let the Russians run Europe at least they sure do got balls or China, or all those extremist that are taking over the old world.

No, that wouldnt be enough, now that it's over we can squabble amongst oursleves over who was better than everyone else, like children after a sporting event. It just shows you how far we've come.

we should all stick to are own cultures in affairs then..but it's wrong for us to even secure our borders, the U.S. isd being castrated.

Wow. Here's the problem "don", the previous administration came into office with the attitude that we're the boss of the world and as such we can do whatever we want. Screw you (you're either with us or you're against us). By the end or their 8 years they apparently realized it wasn't just that simple as our president was running around begging for troops and money to help fix his mismanagement. What make us look more pathetic??
That? Or being responsible and mature enough to acknowledge our past mistakes and reconcile with those we share a common ground to solve problems of mutual interests?

Even though Iraq was a big mistake, tell me how did it affect you personally or the rest of the world (now I am not talking Iraqis and coalition soldiers who have died)..tell you what it affected me cuz I was there twice and I got out because of the way Bush had "LIED" and how he got re elected again and the poor piss job congress was doing with our sodiers future. But this does not mean that ouir next president is gonna go around pinning everything on us. just tell me what other country has ever come out and started asking the world for forgiveness? The day after all his appologies North Korea lainched a missile! where's the outrage or appologies by North Korea?

The first step of any reconciliation is to acknowledge your wrong. If you can't do that how do you hope to get it right?

the hell with that! Every country in the world is trying to advance their own interest, he looked pathetic and super stupid, what else does the world ask of us? we let their foreign banks and foreigners to own, invest and participate in our economy! how many countries out there let outsiders own anything in their countries?

 

[Gordar]

No disrespect but I care less what Europe/world thinks of our presidents. History lesson we did not started World War I and World War II, but we sure ended them and we sure did built up Europe with a bail out! So remember that my friend.

Nope, but nobody knows what the world might have looked like if the US hadn't interfered during WWI, we might not even have had a WWII. And to blueballs, I wouldn't call the Allies the good guys during WWI. They directly or indirectly supported a murderer, but that's an entirely different story.

Anyway, another history lesson. The US wouldn't have existed today without the help from France and Prussian tacticians, Dutch weapon smugglers, etc. :eek:

 

[Philbert]

Nope, but nobody knows what the world might have looked like if the US hadn't interfered during WWI, we might not even have had a WWII. And to blueballs, I wouldn't call the Allies the good guys during WWI. They directly or indirectly supported a murderer, but that's an entirely different story.

Anyway, another history lesson. The US wouldn't have existed today without the help from France and Prussian tacticians, Dutch weapon smugglers, etc. :eek:

So what? 200 years ago? Great history lesson...since we were pretty much Dutch, French, German, English, and every nationality then...there wasn't an America before we became a country. Duh...
It was the Europeans pretty much who committed the many wars and exterminations that today's Europeans fault the US for having committed...since we were made up almost completely of European immigrants.
Feeling guilty about that, are you?
Maybe you should try to stay within the last 50-60 years of history if you wanna compare who did what for whom.
Just a thought...

 

[Shindekudasai]

how many countries out there let outsiders own anything in their countries?

Ehm...all of them? Some more....some less...some voluntarily, some involuntarily...

And what kind of an attitude is that anyway? Living on borrowed money from Japan, China, us (Germany) and other European countries, and now, that you're dependent on foreign economies or national banks, mouthing of in an irrational, 19th-century-isolationism way? How about some humility, admitting made mistakes and working out a payment plan together instead...
Noone is being so irrational or irritated about this as some of you (Americans) are, while we are actually the one that's owed the money to. We understand that there were and still are certain things (we also often benefit from) the US needed money for, like their military. But most of it was just "living large no matter what". At the beginning of the year there were 18 million homes (houses, apartment) disused/untenanted in the US, because the purchase price, the mortgage or the sometimes only the mortgage interest couldn't be paid. 18 million, dude!!! Think about that for a second. Some countries in the world don't even have that many homes.

If I had lived on borrowed money from a dozen different banks to pay my "lifestyle", I would display a different behaviour when it becomes obvious, that I can't pay them back.

Sorry to burst out here like this, but this kind of ignorance really frustrates me....

 

[Shindekudasai]

So what? 200 years ago? Great history lesson...since we were pretty much Dutch, French, German, English, and every nationality then...there wasn't an America before we became a country. Duh...

Ok, let's see, 2009 minus 200 makes....1809....strange. Ok, one more time, 2009 minus 200 makes...1809 again. That can't be right! We have a new theory on the founding of the United States...I gotta tell this to my colleague... Oh, I forgot: Duh!

It was the Europeans pretty much who committed the many wars and exterminations that today's Europeans fault the US for having committed...since we were made up almost completely of European immigrants.
Feeling guilty about that, are you?

Feeling guilty about what? Slavery? Indian Wars? Oh right...I remember...we never had that...duh
And I almost forgot that world history consists only of US and European history. All the other peoples were just sitting in trees, peacfully, exchanging apples until we came along...duh
So, when it comes to faulting someone for wars and atrocities, you're suddenly Europeans/European immigrants? But when it comes to reap the glory, you're Americans? Kinda hypocrit, don't you think?

See where I'm getting at? Every folk/country/nation/people has it's own conflicts, wars or atrocities, sometimes entangled with others, sometimes all on their own. Stop washing yourselves clean of yours.

Maybe you should try to stay within the last 50-60 years of history if you wanna compare who did what for whom.
Just a thought...

I hate to break it to you, but history doesn't work that way. Nope, not that simple and never that easy. I know that, it's my job. But, as we're talking about me here, you're probably right anyhow, as always. But....just a thought...

 

[don_equis]

Ehm...all of them? Some more....some less...some voluntarily, some involuntarily...

And what kind of an attitude is that anyway? Living on borrowed money from Japan, China, us (Germany) and other European countries, and now, that you're dependent on foreign economies or national banks, mouthing of in an irrational, 19th-century-isolationism way? How about some humility, admitting made mistakes and working out a payment plan together instead...
Noone is being so irrational or irritated about this as some of you (Americans) are, while we are actually the one that's owed the money to. We understand that there were and still are certain things (we also often benefit from) the US needed money for, like their military. But most of it was just "living large no matter what". At the beginning of the year there were 18 million homes (houses, apartment) disused/untenanted in the US, because the purchase price, the mortgage or the sometimes only the mortgage interest couldn't be paid. 18 million, dude!!! Think about that for a second. Some countries in the world don't even have that many homes.

If I had lived on borrowed money from a dozen different banks to pay my "lifestyle", I would display a different behaviour when it becomes obvious, that I can't pay them back.

Sorry to burst out here like this, but this kind of ignorance really frustrates me....

1. I never owned a house even do I have what is called a quarantedd VA home loan, I chose to rent instead.
2. Own one small car and it's paid off.
3. Don't live off the goverment even though I only work part time job.
4. Been to other countries and as one example South Korea does not let anyone non South Korea to own anything unless you get married with someone from that country. So tell me what countries out there that let people from other country to buy and own property? that their economy does not rely on borrowing money from other countries? (you make it sound like the U.S. is the only one out there)
5. what's wrong with being isolated? you all complain that the world is so bad because of us and our sorry ass president agrees, then let the world fend for itself to see how well you all be. Let me see perharps the Russians will lead Europe into greatness or China can probably take over half of the world...

Humility ok, how about all the fucking countries in the world start appoligizing also, let's all do group counseling and move on, but I refuse that the U.S. is the only one to blame.

Once again Obama needs to get to the center and stop his breaking of years of tradition as in being the leading country in the world and show some leadership and balls. What happens if North korea, Iran or Russia acts up? well he can't say anything bad or to offensive because he's supposed to be mending our relationship with these "role model" countries the so called "citizens of the world"


By the way you want humility then start appologizing for the extermination of so many pre columbian tribes and great civilzations (Aztecs, Incas, Mayans, Native Americans) that were exterminated under European invasion of the new world, or WWW I, WWW II, not doing nothing during the "etnic cleansings in Bosnia", or the many slaves that were taken from African and sent to the new world among many other things...

 

[Facetious]

Back on topic . . What The fuck Is Obama waiting for with this Indian Ocean Hostage Standoff ? Waiting for the "world community" ?
DAY #3 ? !!!! This guy loves to govern from a position of weakness.


Why Did Hillary chuckle (cackle) about this current Indian Ocean Hostage hostage incident ? (On Thurs.)
Why did Obama, during a recent interview, laugh about the likely possibility of GM going bankrupt regardless of the bailout expenditures ?

The only thing that I can conclude is that the dem party hierarchy are not sympathetic to private sector turmoil.

F'en Nationalizers !

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Back on topic . . What The fuck Is Obama waiting for with this Indian Ocean Hostage Standoff ?

Waiting for the world community ?

Why Did Hillary chuckle about this hostage incident ? (On Thurs.)
Why did Obama, during a recent interview, laugh about the likely possibility of GM going bankrupt regardless of the bailout expenditures ?

The only thing that I can conclude is that the dem party hierarchy are not sympathetic to private sector turmoil.

F'en Nationalizers !

Nationalizers is right. This supposed "stimulus" bill is already taking it's toll on my state government in the form of "cutback" for the needy - i.e., our wackos, homeless, immigrant and otherwise which benefited from our state government. Now they are getting analrapage because we have to send our state/local tax dollars elsewhere. I'm sure those a-holes at AIG and the like are eating good tonight, though.

Obama should never have been elected. If I'd known his election would take away from my state rights I would have went hard to promote against him grassroots. But all these fuckers are so blinded by charisma and looks - not substance and character. :thefinger

America's gonna get a lot worse now.

 

[Hot Mega]

Nationalizers is right. This supposed "stimulus" bill is already taking it's toll on my state government in the form of "cutback" for the needy - i.e., our wackos, homeless, immigrant and otherwise which benefited from our state government.

What on EARTH are you talking about??? These bailouts have zero to do with your state's taxes.

To the extent bailout's and states go in the same sentence your state is likely to get money they otherwise wouldn't have to fund projects to repair your roads, bridges, etc. theoretically creating jobs.

Are we spending money we may not have to reap some benefit that may or may not materialize in the future? Yes. But that Genie was let out of the bottle when we decided to spend money we didn't have to construct a "democracy" in Iraq....a half a trillion dollars worth.

A half a trillion dollars (and it was counting) to build an Iraq in our own "image" while our image is crumbling from within...but no outrage on that??

Why so selective??

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

What on EARTH are you talking about??? These bailouts have zero to do with your state's taxes.

To the extent bailout's and states go in the same sentence your state is likely to get money they otherwise wouldn't have to fund projects to repair your roads, bridges, etc. theoretically creating jobs.

Are we spending money we may not have to reap some benefit that may or may not materialize in the future? Yes. But that Genie was let out of the bottle when we decided to spend money we didn't have to construct a "democracy" in Iraq....a half a trillion dollars worth.

A half a trillion dollars (and it was counting) to build an Iraq in our own "image" while our image is crumbling from within...but no outrage on that??

Why so selective??

That's what we're supposed to believe. It takes its toll on my state in the form of thousands who enter from other states, for a variety of reasons. We get a federal and state tax on our checks, but that federal money we are giving up is being allocated to serve other states.

 

[Philbert]

Ok, let's see, 2009 minus 200 makes....1809....strange. Ok, one more time, 2009 minus 200 makes...1809 again. That can't be right! We have a new theory on the founding of the United States...I gotta tell this to my colleague... Oh, I forgot: Duh!


Feeling guilty about what? Slavery? Indian Wars? Oh right...I remember...we never had that...duh
And I almost forgot that world history consists only of US and European history. All the other peoples were just sitting in trees, peacfully, exchanging apples until we came along...duh
So, when it comes to faulting someone for wars and atrocities, you're suddenly Europeans/European immigrants? But when it comes to reap the glory, you're Americans? Kinda hypocrit, don't you think?

See where I'm getting at? Every folk/country/nation/people has it's own conflicts, wars or atrocities, sometimes entangled with others, sometimes all on their own. Stop washing yourselves clean of yours.



I hate to break it to you, but history doesn't work that way. Nope, not that simple and never that easy. I know that, it's my job. But, as we're talking about me here, you're probably right anyhow, as always. But....just a thought...

That was, even for you, pretty jumbled. There's no "probably " needed there.
News Flash Monkey Man...we were mostly Euro immigrants, no way you can change that...live with it.
Nothing sudden about it...
I don't concern myself with glory, historical rep points, or whatever. History is what is is...we got to a great place through events and efforts by the thousands and millions.
No one can put it all in a clear and accurate perspective and state a clear precise path taken and the intentions of the participants. History is a general description of perceived events, not a concise record. I get it...you live in an academic environment and think you know what is going on...not.
What I said is clear and specific...trying to change what I said to make yourself look wise is once again a failed attempt at self-love.
Not impressed.
Anyone who is, has a limited vocabulary or slow reading skills.


(BTW, you misused hypocritical.)

 

[Hot Mega]

It takes its toll on my state in the form of thousands who enter from other states, for a variety of reasons.

Thousands entering your state is caused by the bailouts? How so? And since the very first round of bailouts were pushed, passed and enacted by Bush, hows is it now just an Obama phenomenon?