The Gun Control debate thread

Yep, and they made the existence of "a well regulated militia" a pre-requisite to "the right to bear arms".

That isn't a prerequisite but a prefatory clause. It's a reason/purpose for the actual right itself.

And like BC said, the people are the militia.
 
No such thing as "homophobia." It's a made up word to describe a condition that doesn't exist. Initially butt pirates tried to make the word mean someone who is afraid that they may be gay and now they decided that it means whatever is convenient to describe someone who doesn't agree with their agenda completely. I don't give a fuck either way.

well, you seem pretty angry and aggressive, which i'm sure is because you are someone who is afraid you are gay



we've all seen so many right wing, anti-gay GOP politicians and /or religious leaders who turn out to be gay themselves - an i think i just found another one, You


but don't worry, there's nothing wrong with being gay, the bible is full of horse shit, you won't go to hell - gay people can be pretty cool, they're friendly and will accept you once you learn to accept yourself - even if you have a microscopic penis

:)




and Just BS

if you can take a second away from being a constitutional law scholar in you Ivy League ivory tower can you provide evidence that "most killings take place in the places with the toughest gun laws"

- i'd love to see your stats on that

(as i know what you are saying is not true)



and, finally,

you said gun killings are mostly "by people that shouldn't have one to start with"

- so whats the story there, are you saying some people shouldn't have guns (so you support some gun control)
or
that these people who "shouldn't have one to start with" should actually have one - so they can kill and maim innocent victims?


which one is it ?
 
Cities with highest homicide rates, I think we can safely assume due to gun violence and not death by Iron Maiden.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/top-lists/highest-murder-rate-cities/

9 of the 10 are cities in blue states.

Suicide açcounts as the number one instance of gun deaths. Yeah, we gotta stop the crazy mofos that wanna kill themselves, after we accomplish that please send the data to the Israelis so they can have a therapy session with Hezbollah and PLO bombers.


http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/

As for the ones that shouldn't have a gun in the first place, I am talking convicted felons to clarify and who decided during that short period of time in their lives that they were able to legally own a firearm, decided to perpetrate a crime with an illegally obtained weapon instead.
 
Cities with highest homicide rates, I think we can safely assume due to gun violence and not death by Iron Maiden.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/top-lists/highest-murder-rate-cities/

9 of the 10 are cities in blue states.

Suicide açcounts as the number one instance of gun deaths. Yeah, we gotta stop the crazy mofos that wanna kill themselves, after we accomplish that please send the data to the Israelis so they can have a therapy session with Hezbollah and PLO bombers.



yeah but you would expect, in every country in the world, cities to have higher murder rates than countryside

red states have higher gun death rates in general




for suicides, do you maybe think if less people had guns, less would commit suicide by gun AND less would commit suicide in general
(as an absolutely instantaneous method wasn't so easily available - e.g. a gun)



fair enough for the clarification re: felons though
 
That isn't a prerequisite but a prefatory clause. It's a reason/purpose for the actual right itself.
Ok. But you'll agree that it doesn't mean they wanted everyone, even the most psychotic people to have that right...

And like BC said, the people are the militia.
Then, where's the regulation of the militia ? Who regulates the militia ? it is wriiten "a well regulated militia militia" not "a totally chaotic militia" or "a militia free of all regulations".
Where's the "WELL REGULATED militia" when psychos like the Oregon shooter (or the Denver shooter, for example) can legally buy a gun ?
Where's the "WELL REGULATED militia" when anyone -psychos, criminals, drug-addicts, drug dealer, etc.- can buy guns in a gun-show ?
 
Ok. But you'll agree that it doesn't mean they wanted everyone, even the most psychotic people to have that right...

Then, where's the regulation of the militia ? Who regulates the militia ? it is wriiten "a well regulated militia militia" not "a totally chaotic militia" or "a militia free of all regulations".
Where's the "WELL REGULATED militia" when psychos like the Oregon shooter (or the Denver shooter, for example) can legally buy a gun ?
Where's the "WELL REGULATED militia" when anyone -psychos, criminals, drug-addicts, drug dealer, etc.- can buy guns in a gun-show ?

Each state's governor is the commander in chief of their respective state's national guard. They are well regulated and members can be increased if need be or in a time of war by legal armed citizens either by volunteer or conscription.
 
This was brought up in another thread but putting aside budgetary concerns (and that wouldn't be a real obstacle), who would be opposed in principle to having armed security and metal detectors with reinforced classroom doors and secure entry/exits for all schools? And drills for active shooter situations like they they have regular fire alarm drills or in the 50s duck and cover? That would be far more practical and doable than rescinding the 2nd amendment and confiscating all guns which is the only solution for eliminating gun violence.

Who would be against that? Unless you have such an aversion to guns that even armed security/off-duty police officers wouldn't be an option.
I think we know the answer to that when elementary school students are being suspended from school for nibbling their pop tarts into the shape of something even resembling a gun.


Our schools are the most vulnerable and after Beslan, I'm surprised have not been targeted in that regard here.
 
A serious question for gun people.

If a croock aims you with the gun and asks for the money what are you going to do?

1. You give your wallet to him

2. You take your gun out and you try to shoot him
 
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Each state's governor is the commander in chief of their respective state's national guard. They are well regulated and members can be increased if need be or in a time of war by legal armed citizens either by volunteer or conscription.
Then again, why psychopaths like the Oregon shooter legally have access to guns ? Don't you think that, when someone buy a gun, there should be verifications to check if the person is not a criminal and has not been diagnosed with mental troubles ?

A serious question for gun people.

If a croock aims you with the gun and asks for the money what are you going to do?

1. You give your wallet to him

2. You take your gun out and you try to shoot him

You won't have the time to get your gun : as soon as the guy will see you getting it, he will shoot you.
 
Each state's governor is the commander in chief of their respective state's national guard. They are well regulated and members can be increased if need be or in a time of war by legal armed citizens either by volunteer or conscription.

The brain trust just destroyed his own argument. Even though he meant to say state guard, because the national guard can still be given orders by the federal government, whereas state guards answer only to their state. So yes Johan, the second amendment does refer to state guards, regulated by their state.

This was brought up in another thread but putting aside budgetary concerns (and that wouldn't be a real obstacle), who would be opposed in principle to having armed security and metal detectors with reinforced classroom doors and secure entry/exits for all schools? And drills for active shooter situations like they they have regular fire alarm drills or in the 50s duck and cover? That would be far more practical and doable than rescinding the 2nd amendment and confiscating all guns which is the only solution for eliminating gun violence.

My daughter has been doing active shooter drills at school since she was 6. It's one of the many reasons we're leaving the country. As for the other measures, I've been a long time advocate of bulletproof doors on classrooms, since most school walls are solid brick or concrete, a solid lockable door would keep everyone inside reasonably safe, depending on how big and accessible the windows are. It's better than some bullshit $900 a piece bullet blanket that I saw some school trialing a while back.
 
This is what happens when you can't wait to use you guns to protect your family and your home against an intruder that would "make your day" :


Texas man kills wife with shotgun blast after incorrectly guessing she was an intruder


Texas man shot and killed his wife after mistaking her for an intruder.

Police said the San Antonio man, whose name was not released, told them he heard some noises coming from the front of the house about 4 a.m. Saturday and saw a flash of light.

He grabbed a shotgun and went to investigate.

The man said he saw a light and someone standing at a distance, so he fired one blast from the shotgun.

That’s when he realized he had shot his wife, 48-year-old Debora Kelly.

Police tried to resuscitate her when they arrived, but she was pronounced dead at the scene from a gunshot wound to her chest.

“It’s horrible, horrible, and she was just a wonderful person,” said neighbor Dale Hollrah. “I have to believe that it was an accident, a very tragic accident.”

Authorities aren’t sure whether her husband will be charged in the fatal shooting, which remains under investigation.

Texas law permits homeowners to shoot intruders attempting to break into their home, and they are not obligated to retreat from a situation where deadly force can be legally justified.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/tex...ter-incorrectly-guessing-she-was-an-intruder/

There's someone in my home at 4 A.M, I gotta shoot that thug ! Oops, wasn't a thug...
 
'Real Men'?? That is just an urban myth perpetuated by weak willed conformist bitches!!!


how about real men don't carry a gun or a knife or any weapon at all



am not saying everyone who wants to carry a gun - whether concealed or open carry -

is a complete pussy, who feels they can't protect themselves in any other way,

who has some john wayne fantasy that they're gonna be a hero one day by shooting someone

and

who has massive feelings of sexual inadequacy



but its gotta be a majority of them, a big majority
 
how about real men don't carry a gun or a knife or any weapon at all



am not saying everyone who wants to carry a gun - whether concealed or open carry -

is a complete pussy, who feels they can't protect themselves in any other way,

who has some john wayne fantasy that they're gonna be a hero one day by shooting someone

and

who has massive feelings of sexual inadequacy



but its gotta be a majority of them, a big majority

I think that most of the gun owners are afraid of criminals and they think that they are safe if they have weapons.

Something is very wrong with society if people do not dare to go to shop or to be at home without that they are armed.
 
I think that most of the gun owners are afraid of criminals and they think that they are safe if they have weapons.

Something is very wrong with society if people do not dare to go to shop or to be at home without that they are armed.

I own several firearms but never carry unless I'm on my way to shoot.
I have always hated the idea of punishing or limiting people because a small % of us are assholes.
In a 'free' world you have to take the good with the bad otherwise it's just another form of oppression.
It's an empty debate in this country we cant get organized enough to pass a yearly budget let alone to amend the constitution.
 
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