The Gun Control debate thread

[mongo18]

Lack of quality mental health screening and providers is the problem.

So what are the pro life party proposing to do about the mental health problem that keeps shooting people?

when it comes to senseless killings in the U.S. it's still dwarfed by how many innocent people are killed by drunk drivers every year. Why isn't there a push for more laws against that? It's much more of an epidemic in the U.S. than mass shootings. And dead is dead.

If you get caught driving drunk, you lose your license to drive, and can go to jail, even if nobody gets hurt. If you accidentally discharge a weapon in an area with people, you can walk away without even a slap on the wrist if nobody gets hurt, and sometimes even when people do get hurt. People in this country are killed by "accidental discharges" all the time and [NOBABE]the killer[/NOBABE] is not charged.
Not to mention, a car is designed and intended for transport, and in many parts of the country is essential to being a functioning member of society. Guns are designed and intended to kill things, and nobody can argue that they can't successfully live their life without one.

...heroin is illegal, so is coke. Neither one is to hard to find in my neck of the woods, and while I won't dive into your point of view on the subject itself, much like abortion, if you make it illegal, people will still get them.

You can't make a gun using a chemistry set in your bathroom. That has a pretty big effect on availability.

Gun ownership is a RIGHT that ostensibly is to keep the federal government in check.

Too stupid for a serious retort.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Go back to Australia and fuck a kangaroo.

 

[blakey]

Blakey you are a fucking moron if you don't know what the bill of rights says. "A well regulated militia" does not mean a body of people controlled by the government. It means a well trained and equipped free society. To think the constitution does anything but limit federal authority is batshit crazy.

oh ouch!, you got me there
i guess i was a bit stupid to think that the supremely wise and intelligent founding fathers would have used a word with its usual meaning

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/militia


or perhaps are you the one who is having to give "militia" a different meaning so it fits with your ridiculous argument ???

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Or perhaps you're an idiot who thinks "regulated" means government oversight. Pro tip: it doesn't.

 

[sean miguel]

or it could be taken further, whereby you had to be part of a well ordered militia to own guns - I'm sure i read something about that somewhere

oh ouch!, you got me there
i guess i was a bit stupid to think that the supremely wise and intelligent founding fathers would have used a word with its usual meaning

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/militia



or perhaps are you the one who is having to give "militia" a different meaning so it fits with your ridiculous argument ???

The militia argument was decided by the Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) and reinforced in McDonald v. Chicago (2010) that the right to keep and bear arms was an individual right.

 

[blakey]

yeah and the supreme court has also previously decided it was constitutional to own and keep slaves

that has now been changed - so not every supreme court decision will remain in place for eternity

(if this isn't true why are conservatives always talking about & trying to get roe v. wade decision overturned?)



we all know what militia means in plain english -

which is presumably what the founding fathers meant (as they were certainly clever enough to use a different word if needed e.g. citizenry) -

so in this case gun nuts, and their representatives on the supreme court, have to perform some mental/linguistic gymnastics to say that, in this unique case,
militia doesn't actually mean militia

 

[Mr. Daystar]

You can't make a gun using a chemistry set in your bathroom. That has a pretty big effect on availability.

That's because coke and heroin start out as an organic matter, but yeah, I know people that can make guns at home. They're called machinists, and with a Bridgeport machine, and a lathe, it's possible. Those 2 machines can easily fit in a single car garage.

 

[Red XXX]

And if guns are the primary problem, compare countries where their citizens are effectively disarmed. What is Japan's violent crime rate compared to say the U.K.?

I have to say that coming from one of those countries that disarms it's citizens, it has never once crossed my mind that I'm somehow disadvantaged by this!

It's one of the few joys left in the UK that 99.9999999% of the time nearly all in the UK can do whatever they like without fear of being gunned down!

 

[Jack Davenport]

i have to say that coming from one of those countries that disarms it's citizens, it has never once crossed my mind that i'm somehow disadvantaged by this!

It's one of the few joys left in the uk that 99.9999999% of the time nearly all in the uk can do whatever they like without fear of being gunned down!

lathe control!!!!!!!

 

[assari]

lathe control!!!!!!!

"My friend, do you own a big gun?" :lame:


(assari)

 

[Jack Davenport]

"My friend, do you own a big gun?" :lame:


(assari)

Did you know the rock band Hanoi Rocks are Finnish?

 

[Chopper3000]

Regarding this issue, I feel it is the moron with the gun that's at fault not the weapon itself. Stop giving retards the right to own a gun then the problem is solved. In the case of the USA that's 99.99999999% of the population that should not be entitled to a gun.

 

[Chopper3000]

Did you know the rock band Hanoi Rocks are Finnish?

Not quite, the drummer in said band was English (right up to the point Vince Neil killed him).

 

[BCT]

Or government regulation of the manufacture, sale, and possession of firearms.

Would do.

 

[sean miguel]

I have to say that coming from one of those countries that disarms it's citizens, it has never once crossed my mind that I'm somehow disadvantaged by this!

It's one of the few joys left in the UK that 99.9999999% of the time nearly all in the UK can do whatever they like without fear of being gunned down!

I felt that way living in Japan for years. Not just being gunned down but being a victim of a crime, period.

Unfortunately, we have a lot of bad people in the U.S. and some really bad ones. And God bless the police, but they can't be everywhere at once and more often than not they do not arrive on time to stop a crime in progress and protect you from being assaulted. They file a report afterwards. In fact, in most jurisdictions in the U.S. the police aren't even legally obligated to protect you. Your personal protection and that of your family ultimately comes down to you or each individual. I don't ever want to be in a position where I'm lined up and waiting to be slaughtered like sheep.


It would be great to live in a place where guns aren't needed. But I want that option available here.

 

[mongo18]

Go back to Australia and fuck a kangaroo.

Awwww, and all those nights I cried myself to sleep because I thought you were ignoring me! I've really missed your articulate and well thought out arguments!

That's because coke and heroin start out as an organic matter, but yeah, I know people that can make guns at home. They're called machinists, and with a Bridgeport machine, and a lathe, it's possible. Those 2 machines can easily fit in a single car garage.

Let's be realistic here. Even a good machinist isn't going to make much more than a rudimentary blunderbuss with affordable garage grade machines. And even with a warehouse full of every machine possible, there's only a handful of people in the world who could churn out a reliable and effective semi automatic weapon from scratch, at least until better materials are available for 3d printers.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Awwww, and all those nights I cried myself to sleep because I thought you were ignoring me! I've really missed your articulate and well thought out arguments!




Let's be realistic here. Even a good machinist isn't going to make much more than a rudimentary blunderbuss with affordable garage grade machines. And even with a warehouse full of every machine possible, there's only a handful of people in the world who could churn out a reliable and effective semi automatic weapon from scratch, at least until better materials are available for 3d printers.

Not really. I know a couple of guys that could make a 1911 .45ACP fairly easily. The hardest part is the heat treating. But it's irrelevant, because the fact is, they can always be gotten illegally. You see, that's the giant hole in all of the anti gun crowds argument. You can get a hot gun on any corner, and most criminals do, and so will the honest people, if the government has it's way. The right to bear arms is paramount, and it will not be denied to those that have the will and desire.

 

[mongo18]

You can get a hot gun on any corner, and most criminals do, and so will the honest people, if the government has it's way. The right to bear arms is paramount, and it will not be denied to those that have the will and desire.

So you admit that you can easily get illegal guns now, but don't believe that making it more difficult to legally obtain guns might stem the flow of illegal guns? It costs money to smuggle them into the country, and sure, there's enough of them in circulation now to keep things going for a while before a noticeable change, but every first world country has done it. I guess America is just so exceptional it can't figure out basic things that developed nations clued onto ages ago. The right to bear arms is horseshit. The average person is a moron and has no business carrying around a weapon that can end a life in an instant just because a handful of racist assholes might have scribbled it onto a bit of paper a couple of centuries ago.

 

[Straight Shooter]

 

[blakey]

2 more college shootings, one arizona and 1 texas

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34487997



gun control necessary yet?