The Acorning of Planned Parenthood.

[Jack Davenport]

Once again may I ask what are your sources? If you're going to make a claim that there is criminal intent, can you please provide evidence of it from the videos and transcripts? I'm not one of those militant pro-choicers but boy is there is tons of misinformation coming from you and Ace. I'd really like to get a good conversation on this issue but it's tough when people make accusation after accusation and then don't back it up with any evidence at all. Is there anything from my last post that the two of you would like to dispute? Again I'm asking because I would like to get a good conversation going.

Based upon what has been released there appears to be criminal intent.


Are you trying to make the argument that this should not be investigated? That seems to be what you are saying. Are you familiar with morality clauses? Because congress controls the power of the purse and can defund anything that they want. Much like a contract can be terminated when ethical and morality issues arise. Congress does not need a contract however.

I said, and I am entitled to my opinion that PP are harvesting organs, and some are selling them not only recouping normal proprietary expenses but at a profit. Their intent and criminal conduct of course has to be proven in a courtroom so let the investigation begin. Are you supportive of an investigation based upon what we have seen so far?

But for now, in the court of public opinion they are breaking the law. Bill Cosby has not been convicted either, he has had endowments revoked, based upon leaked depositions and woman's accounts.

There is certainly probable cause to investigate PP, which it seems that you and other libs do not want to happen. Now why is that?

 

[MMMariah]

this is another Benghazi since there have been 5 investigations on Benghazi that resulted in no evidence of negligence and no there, there they need a new thing to beat to death. They actually think that if they say it's true then it is. Clinton's blow job, WMDs, Benghazi was Obama and Hillary's fault because everyone knows that the president personally handles all embassy issues himself (eyes rolling)

 

[Straight Shooter]

Based upon what has been released there appears to be criminal intent.

I know I'm beating a dead horse here but again can you give me quotes or direct me to the video where the criminal intent is taking place? You keep saying the evidence supports it but every single time you fail to give specifics

Are you trying to make the argument that this should not be investigated? That seems to be what you are saying.

I'm not making that argument. That's not what I'm disputing here. What I'm disputing is your facts. You've made claim after claim and I've countered most of them with fact based evidence from the videos and transcripts.

Are you familiar with morality clauses? Because congress controls the power of the purse and can defund anything that they want. Much like a contract can be terminated when ethical and morality issues arise. Congress does not need a contract however.

Yes I know what a morality clause is. However Congress can't just defund anything they want. PP had $1.3 billion in revenue in 2014. Of that, $528.4 million came from government health services grants and reimbursements. PP says that a majority of the federal dollars they receive comes from Medicaid reimbursements. This is what makes it difficult to fully defund PP. The laws governing Medicaid prevent states from excluding certain providers solely because of other medical services they provide, like abortions. Those laws also say Medicaid recipients must be allowed to seek treatment from anyone who is qualified to perform the services. This is sometimes called a "freedom of choice" provision. The bill introduced by Senate Republicans would violate federal law and would most likely get challenged in court

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/can-congress-defund-planned-parenthood/

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/22/9013565/planned-parenthood-government-funding

I said, and I am entitled to my opinion that PP are harvesting organs, and some are selling them not only recouping normal proprietary expenses but at a profit. Their intent and criminal conduct of course has to be proven in a courtroom so let the investigation begin.

That's not something you can have an opinion on. That's a hell of a charge to level. You better have hard evidence to back up a charge like that. It seems like you already have them guilty as charged.

Are you supportive of an investigation based upon what we have seen so far?

I'm indifferent. This issue is not something that I'm heavily invested in enough(though it does look that way in this thread) to say that I'm vehemently against an investigation.

I'm just going to end it there because it seems like I'm just repeating myself. I think I'm just expecting too much on here. I know I'm fighting an unwinnable battle. I've said my piece. There's nothing more to say on this because it's pointless

 

[Jack Davenport]

I know I'm beating a dead horse here but again can you give me quotes or direct me to the video where the criminal intent is taking place? You keep saying the evidence supports it but every single time you fail to give specifics



I'm not making that argument. That's not what I'm disputing here. What I'm disputing is your facts. You've made claim after claim and I've countered most of them with fact based evidence from the videos and transcripts.



Yes I know what a morality clause is. However Congress can't just defund anything they want. PP had $1.3 billion in revenue in 2014. Of that, $528.4 million came from government health services grants and reimbursements. PP says that a majority of the federal dollars they receive comes from Medicaid reimbursements. This is what makes it difficult to fully defund PP. The laws governing Medicaid prevent states from excluding certain providers solely because of other medical services they provide, like abortions. Those laws also say Medicaid recipients must be allowed to seek treatment from anyone who is qualified to perform the services. This is sometimes called a "freedom of choice" provision. The bill introduced by Senate Republicans would violate federal law and would most likely get challenged in court

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/can-congress-defund-planned-parenthood/



http://www.vox.com/2015/7/22/9013565/planned-parenthood-government-funding



That's not something you can have an opinion on. That's a hell of a charge to level. You better have hard evidence to back up a charge like that. It seems like you already have them guilty as charged.



I'm indifferent. This issue is not something that I'm heavily invested in enough(though it does look that way in this thread) to say that I'm vehemently against an investigation.

I'm just going to end it there because it seems like I'm just repeating myself. I think I'm just expecting too much on here. I know I'm fighting an unwinnable battle. I've said my piece. There's nothing more to say on this because it's pointless

Um..the power of the purse allows for congress to defund anything they want.

Takng into consideration the ramifications does not preclude anything from being defunded on the face of it.

Now let's get to this crap about what I must prove. I don't have to prove anything at this point. These two women so far have given the indication that organs are deliberately being saved during the abortion process. On the face of it that is within legal boundaries. They have hinted at from what we have seen so far, that there is a gray area that can be skirted and they are open to negotiation for the organs which if it is happening is in violation of many federal laws. There is a wink and a nod being implied there and many investigations have been opened in the past with far less.

The old saying that you can indict a ham sandwich is true because all you need is probable cause, a formal investigation meets an even lower threshold. So stop it with the gotta have proof bullshit, nothing has been proven but as I have said about 3 times previously, there is sufficient evidence that these people with their loose lips and callous attitude are engaging in practices that are illegal and the videos so far give the appearance of criminal intent. Only an investigation or trial will determine if that actually took place.

There is more to come, but there is more than enough probable cause now to open an investigation.

 

[MMMariah]

Ah yes, the republican fact machine is based on "indications" and "hints" lol

when you get some actual evidence and facts then come back with them. *yawn*

 

[Jack Davenport]

Ah yes, the republican fact machine is based on "indications" and "hints" lol

when you get some actual evidence and facts then come back with them. *yawn*

That's what investigations are for dipshit.

You are like the FreeOnes court jester.

Ever notice how the 5 threads you start each morning are the exact topics that I also get emailed to me every day?

You don't have a grievance or opinion that isn't fed to you by the DNC. ,

"Now follow the airplane and open wide!!! That was good!!!

Now again...."

 

[MMMariah]

Yes like Benghazi....investigation after investigation after investigation....with the same results each time that there's no there, there. Yet you wanna keep investigating until you figure out a way to manufacture some bullshit to make your case.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

If we alter our process, and we are able to obtain intact fetal cadavers, we can make it part of the budget that any dissections are this, and splitting the specimens into different shipments is this. It’s all just a matter of line items.

~ Ghoulish cunt caught on video conspiring to break the law.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

 

[xfire]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/virginiahug...etal-tissue?bffbnews&utm_term=4ldqpho#4ldqpho

Ben Carson Once Did Research On Fetal Brain Tissue

In a 1992 study, Carson and his colleagues from Johns Hopkins used fetal tissue to better understand how the human brain develops. But in the wake of the Planned Parenthood videos, the presidential candidate has called fetal tissue research “disturbing.”

Why do pro-birthers feel the need to distort the issue with false narratives and forced memes? If your can't make your point without resorting to misleading emotional appeals maybe you should reevaluate the facts and align your views accordingly.

 

[MMMariah]

I just read this. they are so determined and desperate yet they say they want government out of the lives of citizens....all bullshit. a bunch of hypocrites the entire lot

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

The federal government should not be involved in abortion, education, energy,marriage or religion. These are state issues and should be decided by each state or not. The feds shouldn't be the end all be all for anything except national defense and protecting sovereignty.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

New video about stemexpress asking the baby killers to chop off the arms and legs of dead babies so researchers don't have to think about what evil they're doing.

 

[Straight Shooter]

New video about stemexpress asking the baby killers to chop off the arms and legs of dead babies so researchers don't have to think about what evil they're doing.

This is so three weeks ago

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

There's no expiration date on exposing depravity and indifference.

 

[Straight Shooter]

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Nah. That's not a tenable argument. The assholes who commit gun violence have a choice in the matter. The babies being killed for convenience don't.

 

[Straight Shooter]

Nah. That's not a tenable argument. The assholes who commit gun violence have a choice in the matter. The babies being killed for convenience don't.

You're missing the point. The argument on your side is that no matter how many gun laws you pass you'll always have gun violence, in some cases an increase in gun violence. So if that's true then, no matter how many abortion clinics the politicians try and close, if a woman wants an abortion she's going to get it one way or another.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

No I caught that. But it's apples and dead fetal oranges.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

http://twitchy.com/2015/09/01/the-f...tweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter