Teen Dies After Police Use Taser on Him (Bay City, MI)

[calvin_vandele]

Dawn :hatsoff:

Tasers were supposed to be an alternative because they weren't lethal.

That's not the case. It's time to do away with them.

Also, the police had trouble with a fifteen year old?
If they can't handle a child why are they allowed to be officers?

I guess if they didn't have the tasers they would have shot him?
They are abusing their power and the tasers.
Another reason to get rid of them.

No way,

One in a million taser victims die, and you think we should get rid or them? How lives of both police officers and civilians do you think tasers have protected?

What other option do you propose? Just let people riot and attack police and others?

 

[mrhp1]

The officer is supposedly a full grown man and he had to taser a child?
That doesn't make any sense.

He could have just taken him to the ground and put him in handcuffs.
With minimal force.
It would have been easy and he would still be alive.

Public servants should have common sense.

You've obviously never walked in a cops shoes before. Just because a person is younger or smaller than you, you NEVER know what they are capable of!!Its a shame the kid died, it really is. But using the taser if he was physically resisting is almost always justified. None of us were there, so who knows the real story. I shot a guy once with my taser just for clenching his fists at me and getting in a boxers stance. He never even swung at me. But I wont take that chance. Totally justified.

I gurantee you there was some physical/medical condition that caused the kid to die. The Taser company has been sued many times because of situations like this, and they beat every one.

 

[Wainkerr99]

There is also pepper spray. Police are really taking this tazer thing way too seriously. If you jaywalk, they tazer you. If you spray paint a wall, you get tazered.
Often it causes real damage.

 

[ChefChiTown]

There is also pepper spray. Police are really taking this tazer thing way too seriously. If you jaywalk, they tazer you. If you spray paint a wall, you get tazered.
Often it causes real damage.

Pepper spray is hardly effective, especially when somebody is drunk or on drugs. In a case like this, pepper spray probably wouldn't have done much.

 

[STDiva]

hey. someone is attacking me. lets impair his vision, so now he can blindly attack me, and possibly attack someone else.

take these people down with a good shock.

get rid of tasers and watch the police deaths rise.

 

[Will E Worm]

No way,

One in a million taser victims die, and you think we should get rid or them? How lives of both police officers and civilians do you think tasers have protected?

Sure they do. Do a search and find out how many people are actually dying from the new "non-lethal" weapons.

You've obviously never walked in a cops shoes before. Just because a person is younger or smaller than you, you NEVER know what they are capable of!!Its a shame the kid died, it really is. But using the taser if he was physically resisting is almost always justified. None of us were there, so who knows the real story. I shot a guy once with my taser just for clenching his fists at me and getting in a boxers stance. He never even swung at me. But I wont take that chance. Totally justified.

I gurantee you there was some physical/medical condition that caused the kid to die. The Taser company has been sued many times because of situations like this, and they beat every one.

Sure you were justified in an alternative universe, but not this one.

There are many deaths from tasers and they did not all have something medically wrong with them.
There have been studies done about electricity and what it does to a person's body.

I think you can even figure out what happens.

hey. someone is attacking me. lets impair his vision, so now he can blindly attack me, and possibly attack someone else.

take these people down with a good shock.

get rid of tasers and watch the police deaths rise.

Where were the mass police deaths before tasers?

What about a week ago when three officers were killed by one man?
Why didn't the tasers save the police?

Hmmm, the logic train went that way -> , over your head. :tongue:


:hatsoff:

 

[ChefChiTown]

Sure they do. Do a search and find out how many people are actually dying from the new "non-lethal" weapons.

Do a search and find out how many people are actually NOT dying or getting injured from non-lethal weapons.

Where were the mass police deaths before tasers?

What about a week ago when three officers were killed by one man?
Why didn't the tasers save the police?

Hmmm, the logic train went that way -> , over your head. :tongue:


:hatsoff:

Their tasers couldn't have saved them in that situation and you know it. They were going against a crazed, revenge-driven man with a GUN. A gun is going to beat a taser 100% of the time.

Here is some information on how tasers impact the safety of police officers...

http://www.taser.com/company/pressroom/Documents/Injury Reduction Stats PUBLIC 03 05 09.pdf

 

[Facial_King]

Here is some information on how tasers impact the safety of police officers...

http://www.taser.com/company/pressroom/Documents/Injury Reduction Stats PUBLIC 03 05 09.pdf

:1orglaugh:rofl::rofl::rofl:

"Information" from Taser.com about the merits of.... tasers. I'm genuinely surprised. I would've thought that the Taser International Corp. might say that tasers add a new deadly and unnecessary risk to police interactions with suspects and that they recommend that they be banned! So, the company that makes and sells Tasers thinks that they're useful and save lives and help people? Oh, and look at that - the end of that powerpoint marketing presentation even provides a Taser guy's phone number in case you want to place an order!

Wow, Chef, there's some of your trademark hardcore skepticism for information sources!

What next, some information from Bernard Madoff's "company" about how sound his investment strategy is?

Maybe something from the American Association of Chemical Manufacturers about how toxic waste is actually good for you?

Or, wait, maybe some information from some nostalgic Stalinists about the blissfully free and open society that was the USSR during the 1950s?

 

[Will E Worm]

:1orglaugh:rofl::rofl::rofl:

"Information" from Taser.com about the merits of.... tasers. I'm genuinely surprised.

:hatsoff:

Well, that convinced me. :1orglaugh :tongue:

Why not go to the criminal for the "truth."

There's nothing substantial and there never will be on the "safety" from tasers for police.

They know going into the job, as a public servant, it will be dangerous.
If they don't like that, then they can find something else to do.

I suggest janitorial work.

 

[calvin_vandele]

:1orglaugh:rofl::rofl::rofl:

"Information" from Taser.com about the merits of.... tasers. I'm genuinely surprised. I would've thought that the Taser International Corp. might say that tasers add a new deadly and unnecessary risk to police interactions with suspects and that they recommend that they be banned! So, the company that makes and sells Tasers thinks that they're useful and save lives and help people? Oh, and look at that - the end of that powerpoint marketing presentation even provides a Taser guy's phone number in case you want to place an order!

Wow, Chef, there's some of your trademark hardcore skepticism for information sources!

What next, some information from Bernard Madoff's "company" about how sound his investment strategy is?

Maybe something from the American Association of Chemical Manufacturers about how toxic waste is actually good for you?

Or, wait, maybe some information from some nostalgic Stalinists about the blissfully free and open society that was the USSR during the 1950s?

So you're saying they lied? All the information is directly from the police departments themselves. You can't disregard solid facts just because you don't like the source for some dumb reason.

Sure, they're gonna try and sell it. But all the facts speak for themselves.

 

[ChefChiTown]

:1orglaugh:rofl::rofl::rofl:

"Information" from Taser.com about the merits of.... tasers. I'm genuinely surprised. I would've thought that the Taser International Corp. might say that tasers add a new deadly and unnecessary risk to police interactions with suspects and that they recommend that they be banned! So, the company that makes and sells Tasers thinks that they're useful and save lives and help people? Oh, and look at that - the end of that powerpoint marketing presentation even provides a Taser guy's phone number in case you want to place an order!

Wow, Chef, there's some of your trademark hardcore skepticism for information sources!

What next, some information from Bernard Madoff's "company" about how sound his investment strategy is?

Maybe something from the American Association of Chemical Manufacturers about how toxic waste is actually good for you?

Or, wait, maybe some information from some nostalgic Stalinists about the blissfully free and open society that was the USSR during the 1950s?

This is all coming from the guy who posts anti-police and anti-taser articles all the time from blatant anti-police websites and blogs. People in glass houses...

 

[Will E Worm]

So you're saying they lied? All the information is directly from the police departments themselves. You can't disregard solid facts just because you don't like the source for some dumb reason.

Sure, they're gonna try and sell it. But all the facts speak for themselves.

The police and most people who work with them lie and purger themselves all the time. This is not new and taser are lethal weapons that need to be taken out of use.

 

[thebear247]

The police and most people who work with them lie and purger themselves all the time. This is not new and taser are lethal weapons that need to be taken out of use.

i agree with my man worm your body runs off electric and being tasered can alter your body its just as bad or worse then getting shot

 

[Facial_King]

This is all coming from the guy who posts anti-police and anti-taser articles all the time from blatant anti-police websites and blogs. People in glass houses...

My house is concrete block, actually... :tongue:

but as far as the sites are concerned, usually my taser-related posts start with a simple news article from the national or local press. In this case, for instance, it kicked off with an AP (Associated Press) vid on a youtube-like site (which is fairly irrelevant - the story was from the AP).

Sure, I've posted links to taser-watch and police-abuse monitoring sites. If identifying and decrying improper police conduct qualifies as "anti-police" well that only tells me someone has some skewed notions of "anti-" in this case. The ones I've linked to have laudable agendas - describing and detailing the problems that they see with tasers or with police abuse of authority and/or exposing police brutality. Generally, they give their views, and provide some anecdotal information for the reader to draw a conclusion. I think I did cite one medical study about an increase in fatalities after police depts. started using them. (which you basically shrugged off as no big whoop....of course)

In any case, they don't have wallet-oriented agendas.

Taser's sole objective is to sell tasers - and they'll do whatever they can to accomplish that objective. If saying that the moon is made of cheese and a small chunk of the moon falls off and floats down into a starving child's mouth every time a taser is used would be an effective tool for ringing up another sale, I'm sure Taser would print up some flyers saying just that.

My comparisons to your citing Taser were apt.

 

[calvin_vandele]

My house is concrete block, actually... :tongue:

Facial King get real, your house is a basement, directly below your mom's house.

 

[Will E Worm]

Facial King get real, your house is a basement, directly below your mom's house.

What's wrong with that?

Some basements are nice.

Example

 

[calvin_vandele]

What's wrong with that?

Some basements are nice.

Example

Hmm, point taken

 

[SonOfSparda]

Where were the mass police deaths before tasers?

What about a week ago when three officers were killed by one man?
Why didn't the tasers save the police?

Hmmm, the logic train went that way -> , over your head. :tongue:


:hatsoff:

You do know that not every single police unit is armed with a tazer right? Tazer's are usually equipped when they are knowing they are about to go into a situation where the offender may need to be subdued. Possible neutral facts or article on those three police officers?

 

[Priapus]

I wonder if studies such as this get provided to every police agency in the country?

 

[larss]

The police and most people who work with them lie and purger themselves all the time. This is not new and taser are lethal weapons that need to be taken out of use.

If the police are so awful, why not just get rid of them altogether? And if the tazer is so dangerous, why should the police bother to use them at all? Why not just use guns. It's quite simple really - tazers are safer than firearms. The fact that they can be used instead of firearms means that they save lives - simple logic really.

Here in the UK, where the prevalence of firearms is much lower, the police do not carry guns in normal situations. When firearms are suspected in a situation, specialist highly trained firearms officers are called in, and even then, when using these specialist officers, mistakes happen and people die. These firearms officers are also the only ones that carry and are allowed to use tazers.

It seems to me that the US needs firearm controls - a lot of people will quote the 2nd amendment back at this, but I must point out that what is nearly always missed when people quote the 2nd amendment is - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" - everybody having a firearm, surely does not constitute "A well regulated Militia".

I seem to have got away from the original "tazer" discussion, but this is directly linked.

Here's a stat for you - Since June 2001, the total number of deaths after the use of Taser guns in the US is 351, whereas around 200 are shot and killed by police each year (makes a total of around 1600 since 2001). The problem is finding a method of incapacitating a suspect or attacker without causing any long term harm - so far, the most affective appears to be the tazer. Instead of just stating how terrible the tazer is, and how many deaths it has caused, can someone here come up with a viable alternative? Rubber bullets and pepper spray have been mentioned on this thread earlier, but as has been pointed out - rubber bullets are only non-lethal from a distance, and are not accurate enough for use other than in crowd/riot control, and pepper spray does not always incapacitate, especially when used on people on certain drugs.