Suspect arrested in JonBenet Ramsey murder

[ThomasJenkins]

For being uncompetent and not receiptive to what parents told and that could lead to murderer's arrest sooner.

I certainly hope this is the right guy and the case can be closed, but I disagree with most of you about the parents. Lets not forget that in the murder of any person, immediate family members are always considered the first suspects by police and the first step in the investigation is to systematically eliminate them as suspects. John and Patsy Ramsy did virtually NOTHING to assist the police in eliminating them as suspects. They repeatedly refused interviews, taking lie detector tests, and providing handwriting samples. They agreed to media interviews, but not police interviews. When they finally agreed to be interviewed by police, they came up with their own list of questions they would be willing to answer.

Given this, is there a police agency anywhere that wouldn't focus their attention on them?? No. Perhaps if the Ramseys had completely cooperated from the start, they would have been eliminated as suspects within days and the investigation would have been focused on someone else.

Were there mistakes made by police during the investigation? Sure there were. Mishandling evidence and all sorts of information leaks to the media. It all compromised the investigation horribly. But the Ramseys chose their path and though I sympathize with them for the loss of their daughter, I don't feel any sympathy for the stress they endured from being considered suspects. They brought that on themselves. There is no reason not to cooperate with police if you're innocent of a crime, especially when it involves the murder of your child. It just seems to me they were more concerned about their public image than the life of their daughter or for justice to be carried out on her killer. :2 cents:

 

[lovejoy]

Some forensic criminalogist actually supported the theory that someone who committed the murder will eventually come forward to confess after many years later only after hitting dead ends overseas and wanted to go back home (United States) and closed the chapter. Kerr did not have a job and was travelling in Asia and just applied for the job at a private school. He is unemployed and pennyless.

According to Mark Kerr's CV, he had travelled around the globe from Germany, to Central America and lately to Asia (Malaysia, then Thailand) and he may be tired of running and wanted to go home ! He is divorced and unemployed and living in foreign land for the last 6 years !

I don't know if he is the real killer and if Pat Ramsey spilled the gut at death bed and told the investigators new information which eventually broke the case.

I doubted the investigators (FBI, and Boulder, Colarado investigators and Homeland Security, and Immigration ) can solve the crime without Pat Ramsey finally telling the truth before she died. She had ovarian cancer in 1993, (3 years before JonBonet Ramsey was killed) and knew she would die eventually of the deadly disease. I still believe John and Pat were involved or someone who worked for them were involved because no one knew the Christmas bonus was US $118,000 and this is the exact amount the killers (s) wanted.

 

[ThomasJenkins]

That is a twist in this plot. It was a professor from Colorado who made the email contacts with this Kerr. It was the Ramsyes who went to the police after these revelations and provided the email exchange with the professor, yet they wont explain to the police how they are linked to the professor. Just another incident of a blatant decision not to fully cooperate.

 

[el-gimpo]

Innocent until proven guilty?

Where the hell have you been? Sure it may say that on some document somewhere, but in reality that has never been the case. If you ask most people, they would tell you, "if they arrest 'em, they must've done something wrong." It's sad, but that's the way things are in the real world.

 

[AFA]

Some forensic criminalogist actually supported the theory that someone who committed the murder will eventually come forward to confess after many years later only after hitting dead ends overseas and wanted to go back home (United States) and closed the chapter. Kerr did not have a job and was travelling in Asia and just applied for the job at a private school. He is unemployed and pennyless.

According to Mark Kerr's CV, he had travelled around the globe from Germany, to Central America and lately to Asia (Malaysia, then Thailand) and he may be tired of running and wanted to go home ! He is divorced and unemployed and living in foreign land for the last 6 years !

I don't know if he is the real killer and if Pat Ramsey spilled the gut at death bed and told the investigators new information which eventually broke the case.

I doubted the investigators (FBI, and Boulder, Colarado investigators and Homeland Security, and Immigration ) can solve the crime without Pat Ramsey finally telling the truth before she died. She had ovarian cancer in 1993, (3 years before JonBonet Ramsey was killed) and knew she would die eventually of the deadly disease. I still believe John and Pat were involved or someone who worked for them were involved because no one knew the Christmas bonus was US $118,000 and this is the exact amount the killers (s) wanted.

The way I understood it was that Kerr was writing to Patsy before she died. She turned that information over to a person who had produced several films about the case. It's likely that Kerr was sought as a result of those disclosures, and it took the past two months to find him. As he just applied for the school job last week, it seems likely that's the reason he resurfaced.

If Ramsey is an executive in a publicly owned company, (I don't know), his bonus and salary would be information available to anyone.

 

[Elwood70]

Where the hell have you been? Sure it may say that on some document somewhere, but in reality that has never been the case. If you ask most people, they would tell you, "if they arrest 'em, they must've done something wrong." It's sad, but that's the way things are in the real world.

Right fucking here.

I'm fully aware of how things are in "the real world";but I have a feeling there's a lot more to this,and I think it's fucking stupid that so many people are calling for this pricks' head on a platter just because he got arrested.He may be a "chronic confesser",or he may be the real killer,but we don't know yet.

Last time I checked;in the USA,someone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

I'm fully aware that the system is not without flaws,and I'm not naive enough to believe that everything is so rosy that it never fails us.

You can take a jury of 12 people who are convinced he did it,just because he got arrested,but it would still have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he did,in fact,kill JonBonet,to aforementioned jury.If they were to convict him;based only on the fact that he's been arrested,any judge worth two shits would throw out the verdict.

I just think there's a lot more to this.

.....maybe I'd better check to make sure I'm in the "real world".

 

[D-rock]

There is no reason not to cooperate with police if you're innocent of a crime

There are a large number of lawyers out there that would completely disagree with you. In fact I can think of a lot of incidences where I would probably not cooperate with the authorities even if I were innocent. In the real world innocent people get sent of to jail all the time. The law enforcement in this country has a tendency to sometimes decide what they want first, like your guilt, and then try to make the evidence fit there desires instead of collecting all the evidence and then objectively extrapolating what happened from that, especially when they are under pressure to solve the case. The more information you give to them the more they can use against you whether you are guilty or not. There is a reason they tell you that you have a right to remain silent when you are arrested, and it's a good idea, and there is a reason most people would suggest to get a lawyer before you talk to the police, if you give them any more info than required at all. Yet isn't that also deciding to be uncooperative if you do that? If people just went by the philosophy that if you did nothing wrong you should have nothing to worry about then we might as well throw out a couple of amendments in our Bill of Rights while we are at it. After all we wouldn't need them. Yet the first time you decide it is better for yourself that you invoke your rights especially in a big case, the authorities are right there with a press conference telling everybody how "uncooperative" you are to make sure you look bad to the media and the public.

 

[dangerousD]

Where the hell have you been? Sure it may say that on some document somewhere, but in reality that has never been the case. If you ask most people, they would tell you, "if they arrest 'em, they must've done something wrong." It's sad, but that's the way things are in the real world.

So what do you say about O.J.?

 

[Iamforever]

does anyone know if their is a statute of limitations on murder in the states? this fuck better not walk.

 

[Aces&Jacks]

does anyone know if their is a statute of limitations on murder in the states? this fuck better not walk.

There is no statute of limitations on murder.

 

[BNF]

Re: You can run, but you can't hide

I'm betting he didnt do it and is one of those compulsives confessors.

I would bet with you if I were a betting man.

More to the point, this is going to show two things that are troublesome about the US media courtroom.

First, the immense pressure now placed on the Boulder PD, DA and FBI to prove that this is the guy. Pressure that exists, even if as more details surface, that he is not definitively the guy. My gut tells me that there are enough bruised egos and careers to not allow anyone else to throw more eggs at the investigators/prosecution no matter what.

Second, well, the finality of the death penalty in an imperfect and chaotic world . 'nuff said.

 

[dangerousD]

Re: You can run, but you can't hide

I would bet with you if I were a betting man.

More to the point, this is going to show two things that are troublesome about the US media courtroom.

First, the immense pressure now placed on the Boulder PD, DA and FBI to prove that this is the guy. Pressure that exists, even if as more details surface, that he is not definitively the guy. My gut tells me that there are enough bruised egos and careers to not allow anyone else to throw more eggs at the investigators/prosecution no matter what.

Second, well, the finality of the death penalty in an imperfect and chaotic world . 'nuff said.

it's starting to look that way

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14399340/

 

[ThomasJenkins]

There are so many issues with this case and the media that it will undoubtedly become the same media circus as the OJ trial.

First, I can't believe the Thai police called a press conference and let the guy speak to the press before he was shipped here to speak with investigators. That's something that is never done. You know a good defense attorney will have ALL those statements thrown out.

Second, there are too many leaks with regards to this case. I get a kick how the media always says "a law enforcement official on the condition of anonymity"... "law enforcement officials" in that capacity usually end up being a dispatcher, secretary, parking patrol, or even a janitor who works in the police department. Its generally someone who has overheard tidbits in the department and then runs off at the mouth to friends and the media like they know all the details of the case.

Lastly, because the media is constantly pushing for records to be released (so they can put them in print and win advertising dollars), every "kook" like Karr can research the case and "come forward" with a false confession. In a case like this, people need to learn to keep their mouth shut. John Ramsey has said that no one should jump to conclusions and let the case play out in court. But then his dumbfuck attorney turns around and anounced Karr mentioned facts about the case in his emails that weren't previously made public. Well that comment is sure going to make the public rush to judgement.

Just like the Nicole Brown Simpson case, everyone involved is going to end up a celebrity, but at the sacrifice of justice.

 

[member006]

No matter, it was a terrible crime. If the parents were indeed involved then they have certainly not gotten away with anything. They too lost their lives that day, it has never been their own since. The world is full of nut cases thats for sure and the thought of it as a false confession isn't that hard to fathom I feel. He had years to put a confession together if he has. I am still taking in how it all unfolded before I can give a opinion. Once again its a waiting game.

In a general observation, not just looking at this case in particular. My feelings are this regarding our legal system. Although it could be another thread in itself, I say this. It is so flawed we can not only trip on the cracks but fall in the holes with little effort. The ease in which we can commit a crime and get by with it is only overpowered by the ease in which we can also be set up, mistakenly id' and made to be a sacrificial lamb and convicted when innocent. The media is our first "trial" in high profile cases always and there is nothing we can do to stop it. We do have freedom of speech. That's a double edged sword that splits hairs very often. One that is needed though I think, having it is definitely the lesser of two evils. It certainly needs a "face lift" (the system as a whole ) due to changing times and I don't see it happening anytime soon. Many things on our countries "priority" list needs looking at first. So anything anymore to me as far as hoping for "justice" seems like a "Hail Mary" pass and as far as "justice" is concerned and we can only hope for the best. Like with so many things today. All only IMHO

 

[Christmas_Ape]

It's going to be interesting to hear how he "accidentally" bashed he skull and strangled her to death....well, if he was in fact the murder. He is freaky enough looking though, I'll give him that.

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

In a general observation, not just looking at this case in particular. My feelings are this regarding our legal system. Although it could be another thread in itself, I say this. It is so flawed we can not only trip on the cracks but fall in the holes with little effort. The ease in which we can commit a crime and get by with it is only overpowered by the ease in which we can also be set up, mistakenly id' and made to be a sacrificial lamb and convicted when innocent. The media is our first "trial" in high profile cases always and there is nothing we can do to stop it. We do have freedom of speech. That's a double edged sword that splits hairs very often. One that is needed though I think, having it is definitely the lesser of two evils. It certainly needs a "face lift" (the system as a whole ) due to changing times and I don't see it happening anytime soon. Many things on our countries "priority" list needs looking at first. So anything anymore to me as far as hoping for "justice" seems like a "Hail Mary" pass and as far as "justice" is concerned and we can only hope for the best. Like with so many things today. All only IMHO

You and your country is not the only one waiting to get sewed, the cracks in the legal system, up .
Wish Herculis was alive. But can he too succeed?

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[lovejoy]

This guy, Kerr, looks very much like Lee Harvey Oswald !

O M G ! He is more a sick psychopath than a killer of JonBonet Ramsey !

Every single newspaper and news media changed their stories now and requests evidence to link Kerr to the murder.

Only 24 hours later every newspaper in America have doubts about this guy called Kerr. I hope they got the man but we don't know and it is premature to put a finger on him.

 

[lovejoy]

There is no statute of limitations on murder.

Can his confession be admitted as evidence to tie him to the murder ?

 

[4G63]

Well one thing is for sure, it's going to be a long time before JonBonet can rest in peace.

Plus I always thought it was sick what the Ramsey's did to their daughter, turning her into a glam model, it was a hair away from kiddie porn IMO. And her death is going to be another media circus, to fill air time on a slow news day.ukey:

 

[Elwood70]

Can his confession be admitted as evidence to tie him to the murder ?

Depends on how it was obtained,and where.