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Socialist Bernie Sanders To Announce 2016 Candidacy

Supafly

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I think that most of you guys are having a toxic reaction to certain keywords, and "socialism" is one of the big one. It is not so important where this springs from, that is pretty obvious. The important thing is:

Do you realize that there is not just one kind of Socialism? The wikipedia article gives some valuable insight:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

And when you look at all the financial programs and the steering that the US government does, the US is far from being the opposite of a socialist state.
 
There are already a lot of candidates on the right because of all of the money the special interests i.e. Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson are pledging. So far its at 1 Billion fucking dollars in the name of free speech LOL the best part is, they'll still lose because their money can't create a good candidate which they don't have. Bush will get the nomination because of the right's fucked up amnesia of his brother's destruction of our country and he's the potty-trained Bush brother. His daughter got busted for stealing prescription pads and writing herself xanax scripts then taking them to CVS her daddy was governor and her uncle was president and it just went away. oh the Bush family....

Clown, do you honestly think that the Democrats don't have deep pockets too? That they don't have their own versions of the Koch brothers or Sheldon Adelson? Addison isn't even a conservative and is more than happy to donate to Democrats when it suits him.

There are few candidates from the Democrats because the DNC has far more control of their party than the RNC. The Republicans have not had anyone poll above Hillary Clinton in the past year and it hasn't changed since her recent bad press. The liberal media has spent the last two years "defining and destroying" any remotely viable Republican candidates, not that any of them are particularly good.
 

Deepcover

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Sanders is too old.

Reagan was old when he was President and started to lose his faculties during his second term. Maybe that's why he spent so much...Guess his faculties decided there was no harm in spending so much in buildup of the US armed forces...lol
 
He's way too young
 
Reagan was old when he was President and started to lose his faculties during his second term. Maybe that's why he spent so much...Guess his faculties decided there was no harm in spending so much in buildup of the US armed forces...lol
Reagan wasn't old. Conservatives are never to old to be elected. Only Democrats are. Conservatives aren't old, they are experienced...
 

Supafly

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Reagan was born 1911, became President in 1981

Sanders was born 1941, so he would be president at 75

I think that would be absolutely fine.
 

Supafly

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Reagan was born 1911, became President in 1981

Sanders was born 1941, so he would be president at 75

I think that would be absolutely fine.

Taking into account that Reagan was not the sharpest knife in the kitchen, whereas Sanders shown time and again he knows a lot about economics. And he is open to think outside the box, whereas all te conservative candidates so far play dumb, Cro Magnon style
 

xfire

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Sanders is absolutely the most qualified candidate, has the the strongest liberal agenda, is articulate, passionate, and has a belly full of fire. Hell to the yes, he's got my vote.
 
Taking into account that Reagan was not the sharpest knife in the kitchen, whereas Sanders shown time and again he knows a lot about economics. And he is open to think outside the box, whereas all te conservative candidates so far play dumb, Cro Magnon style

Yeah that crap about Reagan's intelligence was a tough sell 35 years ago and it still is today after he is dead and buried. Reagan proved that he was very intelligent, a master of the political process and prescient in his policies. I can at least acknowledge the intellectual capacity of those that I disagree with politically but it seems that you can't seem to put aside biases when it come to those you disagree with. So what qualifies you to assess his capacity sitting all the way over there in der Fatherland? Are you the distant spawn of brilliant German scientists that ended up in either Kazakhstan or Cape Canaveral or Oak Ridge? Clearly you must be, to be able to judge others limitations.
 

Rattrap

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Bernie Sanders looks like the most promising candidate so far.
  • He has consistently supported economic stimulus spending, including many of the less popular smaller stimulus packages that did not become law.
  • He has consistently supported union rights.
  • He supports a constitutional amendment barring corporations from making political donations and permitting congress to enact further campaign finance reform.
  • He voted against the Iraq War and consistently voted to remove troops from Iraq during the 2000’s.
  • He sponsored the Global Warming Pollution Reduction Act of 2007, which would have created a national cap and trade system with the goal of reducing carbon emissions 83% by 2050.
  • He wants to go beyond Obamacare and create a single payer health care system like the ones in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere.
  • He spent 8 and a half hours trying to stop the 2010 Tax Relief Act because he opposed cutting taxes on the rich.
  • He opposed the Toxic Asset Relief Program (TARP)–this is the program that bailed out the financial system–on the grounds that it distributed the costs of the bailout in a regressive way. He claimed he would support a bailout if it had been consistent with his four principles, which aimed at raising taxes on the rich, raising wages for the lower and middle classes, reimposing the regulations that were removed during the Clinton administration, and break up firms that are “too big to fail” into smaller, more manageable units.
  • He supports gay marriage, but more importantly, he supported it long before it became popular to do so–he’s on record supporting gay marriage consistently since the 90’s–he even voted against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.
  • He supported a constitutional amendment protecting gender equality and tried to reintroduce the Equal Rights Amendment.
  • He tried to eliminate the death penalty during the 90’s and has consistently supported legislation making it harder to impose.
  • He has consistently supported abortion rights, including late term abortions.
  • He opposes school vouchers and frequently votes to increase public education spending.
  • He voted against welfare reform in 1996.
  • He voted against financial deregulation in 1999, which played a crucial roll in permitting “too big to fail” firms to arise.
- http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2015/04/30/candidate-evaluations-bernie-sanders/ (each of those points are cited)

Further down the blog there's a few criticisms that I also agree with (i.e, knocks against Sanders) and this list isn't 100% me anyway, but Sanders seems to not only be talking the mostly right talk, he's been walking the right(er than the other candidates) walk for decades. I'll be looking more closely at his history, but if we had the election today with all the announced candidates running, he'd have my vote hands down. Of worthy mention, he's also one of only two independents in Congress.

http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders#.VUVlNZPHbcs
 
Said on the news he set a record for donations in the first 24 hours, over $1.5mil with an average of about $40 per donation.
 
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