Simulated **** porn...

[grower_boy]

I respectfully disagree; there are a lot of women that are turned on by the idea. And it doesn't always have to be the man going after the woman.

I just think it's really over the top and ridiculous to suggest that someone who is into those **** of fantasies is screwed up and has the mind of a ******.

 

[squallumz]

I respectfully disagree; there are a lot of women that are turned on by the idea. And it doesn't always have to be the man going after the woman.

give the *** a ****.

i had a gf once who wanted to role play a "****" like fantasy. mind you, im a terrible actor and i cant even talk dirty and i can never role play in bed. i also dont like rough sex let alone "****."

i really really liked the girl so i decided that the right thing to do is to do that for her. after all, we always want THEM to do stuff for US.

she told me specifically not to freak out that she was going to kick and scream and "fight" back. that she wanted my be grab her and ***** her roughly.

long story short, i just couldnt do it. i felt stupid and she wasnt feeling all that happy with me either. i felt bad that i couldnt get into it for her but it just wasnt my thing. we tried it but i know i came no where close to what she wanted.

so yeah, some girls are into it. she was different though. she liked to be "used" as she would say. thats what got her off.

i understand it, it just wasnt my thing.

 

[Jon S.]

I admit that there are those rare and different exceptions and I should have used the caveat "USUALLY" the man.

 

[squallumz]

generalizations are always dangerous.

 

[Petra]

Apologies for not checking the rules and thanks for keeping the thread open.

In response to other comments, I think porn like this should be allowed but they should make it clear it's consensual. On porn promoting/influencing behaviour I think it's a chicken and egg problem (ie does misogynisitc porn cause misogyny or misogyny cause misogynisitc porn?).

Also, to Petra and gunslingingbird, I can see how I may have broken the rules but they don't seem to make sense. I mean this site links to simulated **** porn but doesn't allow discussion of it. Isn't that hypocritical?

PS Sites like sleepcreep may be legal wherever this site is based but possession of such porn is ******* in the UK (where the law on porn is a major ass).

We tend to be a little hardass when it comes to Rule #1. We're working on easing up a bit. And yes, sleepcreep may be ******* in the UK, but most disclaimers say that you must be responsible for knowing your local laws.

So **** fantasy movies are really dangerous. It can be compared to the 'Bum Fight' clips or the 'Happy Slapping' videos **** make today. Over-the-top ********, filmed by their peers for the sheer rush of adrenaline and for proving how extreme you are.

The same can be said for anything. Take the roleplaying game Vampire the Masquerade. I've mentioned in our RPG thread how violant and often fatal the game is for characters. However, we've had people take it waaay too far:

The most famous case was in 96 when a 16 year old *** made his own vampire clan because he actually thought he was a powerful vampire. He ended up ******* his girlfriend's parents and promised to make her a vampire too. He also blamed a "rival gang of vampires" on the *******.

So, because someone failed to seperate fantasy from reality, a group of parents tried to get the game taken off shelves. Should the rest of us, who CAN seperate fantasy from reality be punished?

Or how about in the 70s when the *** ****** himself supposedly because of D&D?

Simply put...yes they are (though I'm guessing it would be the male who suggests it & the woman would go along with it...I just can't imagine many if any women wanting to do **** "role play").

Like I said, a healthy and normal human being should not, and would not be into ****** people...even as a fantasy or simulated. The fact remains that every evil and vile act ever committed began as a thought. Sad but true.

Who gets to define "healthy and normal" though? You? A doctor? A psychologist? A police officer? A politician? A church? A country?

Vanilla isn't the only flavor of sex out there. You don't have to understand it, but who are you to say if it's normal or not as long as it's between two consenting adults?

 

[Jon S.]

Who gets to define "healthy and normal" though? You? A doctor? A psychologist? A police officer? A politician? A church? A country?

Vanilla isn't the only flavor of sex out there. You don't have to understand it, but who are you to say if it's normal or not as long as it's between two consenting adults?

I just genuinely believe that there has to be some kind of underlying "issue" that would make one be into "****" even as a "fantasy" or "role play" and that feeding "unhealthy" behaviors is "probably" not the best course of action...even amongst "consenting adults," when, in the case of **** and "**** fantasy" it can, and anecdotal evidence would seem to indicate will, likely and eventually will lead to the real thing. Not that it is the best example in the world, but serial killers for example often start out ********* *******...they get bored with it...and they "evolve". Like I said, there is an underlying "issue" that would cause someone to be into "****" in the first place, and even "consenting adults" should try to maintain a healthy sex life.

Now, I was not suggesting that society should legislate against the actions of "consenting adults" in the privacy of their bedroom. I would suggest though that, if one's significant other suggested "**** fantasy" enter their love life, that counseling "might" be in order. As far as "simulated **** porn" goes, society already does legislate though "obscenity laws," but they vary so much from place to place to be virtually impossible to find any kind of consensus, much less enforce them.

That being said, I still say that feeding what could be very dangerous behavior (to society as a whole), even as a "fantasy," probably isn't the healthiest thing one could do. Evidence shows that most "real things" started out as ideas and fantasies first. So, why feed it in the 1st place? I could never **** someone, I never think about it, and "shockingly" I never fantasize about it...let alone engage in "**** role play." Coincidence? I am one who strongly believes...where there's smoke...there's fire. Embracing the idea (of ****) in any fashion seems to be a bit too much smoke for my *****...and I believe society as a whole would agree. Too often though, behaviors are ignored or brushed off...UNTIL it leads to the "real thing," and by then it's too late.:2 cents:

 

[lurkingdirk]

This is, as has been stated above, a slippery slope. Though you don't understand the idea behind **** fantasy porn, that doesn't mean it should be ****** altogether, or those who participate in it deemed "unhealthy." If you start thinking in those terms, then other things start to become suspect. Horror films, for example.

And take "Heavy Metal" music. There have been countless studies done that show it incites ******** in some people. ******* have been "justified" using heavy metal. Should we make that music form *******, too?

Seems like a bad idea.

 

[RichardNailder]

though I'm guessing it would be the male who suggests it & the woman would go along with it...I just can't imagine many if any women wanting to do **** "role play"

Just like you, I couldn't imagine it - until it happened to me. I can only speak from personal experience but in my 35 years as a sexually active male, I have never once had a man express fantasies of **** to me. And on three very memorable, and disturbing occasions, I have had women I was intimate ask me to do just that. All three relationships ended then and there.

As revolting as I find the subject, I still have trouble giving up the few remaining freedoms of expression we have in order to create a perceived "safe" environment.

In 1991 I walked out of "Silence Of The Lambs" because it was so disturbing to me - but I have never thought it my place to limit your right to view it. To this day, I can not watch horror films that focus on the desecration of other human beings, I simply don't enjoy seeing another person subjugated against their will - and that includes limiting one's ability to view what they wish. On the same hand, I hope that others don't try to take away the few remaining freedoms of expression that we still have.

 

[RichardNailder]

This is, as has been stated above, a slippery slope. Though you don't understand the idea behind **** fantasy porn, that doesn't mean it should be ****** altogether, or those who participate in it deemed "unhealthy." If you start thinking in those terms, then other things start to become suspect. Horror films, for example.

And take "Heavy Metal" music. There have been countless studies done that show it incites ******** in some people. ******* have been "justified" using heavy metal. Should we make that music form *******, too?

Seems like a bad idea.

Get out of my head :eek::1orglaugh:eek:

 

[STDiva]

If these issues were real, wouldn't feeding the fantasy with a willing partner ease the mind of the person with issues? Kinda like someone who rages at work then goes home to **** people in call of duty.

And if guys have underlying issues and it leads to them becoming legit rapists, do the women who enjoy **** fantasy become legit **** victims later on?

 

[Jon S.]

I guess the gist of my argument is that if one is seriously into fantasizing about ****, it "might" be a good idea on the part of the individual himself (going with "him," because, lets face it, most would be men) to seek counseling on his own. Just like with heavy metal music, violent video games, violent movies, etc., it's not the fault of the stimuli itself (in this case "**** fantasy porn"), because that was in the indivual who acts out in the first place. I listen to metal at times, I have played violent video games before, and I've seen violent movies too...yet I've never acted out. Why? Because it wasn't in me to begin with, and the stimuli can not plant a seed...it can only help it grow. "**** fantasy porn" is no differnt. I'm not into it at all...but, if I watched anything like that, I would likely be repulsed by it, and it would not turn me into a ******. Like I said, stimuli can not plant the seed....it can only help it grow. If it's not in you, it won't magically become so.

So, like I said, I believe the onus is upon the individual to explore and seek counseling to see why they would fantasize about something as vile as ****. But, in the end it's up to the individual to do, and to want to change. I can only speak for myself, but I know if I started having disturbing fantasizes, I would want to seek counseling and/or treatment before the feelings grew. Societies have their norms...and I'm sure everyone would agree that **** goes against the norms of our society...as it should.