Presidents being Presidential

[bodie54]

I'm not sure it's not him

Could be. bodie generally thinks it's a mistake to look at historic figures as static caricatures, frozen at some randomly selected moment in time that suits a particular bias on the part of the observer. Like most human beings they had the dynamism and the capacity to evolve and change over time, and often they did. Take Abraham Lincoln as an example. Many years before becoming president he had some very unpleasant things to say about colored people, and lots of folks like to point to those times as evidence of Lincoln being a phony later on in life. When he was first elected president he had no intent whatsoever to destroy slavery or free the slaves. Lots of folks like to point that out as evidence of him being a phony on emancipation. But through subsequent time and events he evolved into a passionate and genuine abolitionist.

I see Edgy left out the balance of the snopes article, which addresses such an evolution of thought in Johnson:

LBJ’s comment about black people voting Democrat was supposedly uttered to two unnamed governors traveling with the president on Air Force One, but we only have one source — MacMillan, who claimed he overheard the exchange — and no corroboration from anyone else. And then there’s MacMillan’s editorializing: “It was strictly a political ploy for the Democratic party. He was phony from the word go.” And: “This was the attitude of these people who were championing civil rights.”
It’s not just that MacMillan gives the appearance of being a biased witness, but also that his cynical portrait is at odds with historical evidence showing that by the time Johnson took office after JFK’s assassination, he was fully committed to Kennedy’s civil rights legislation. Some of this evidence can be found in LBJ’s oval office recordings, in which he can be heard fighting for its passage. Eric Foner writes in the New York Times Book Review:
One example of genuine idealism that does come through in these volumes is Johnson’s commitment to civil rights. When he took office, nobody expected that he would identify himself with the black movement more passionately than any previous president. But from his first days in office he urged black leaders, labor officials and businessmen to lobby Congress for passage of the stalled civil rights bill. He asked Robert Anderson, a member of Eisenhower’s cabinet, to work on Republicans: “You’re either the party of Lincoln or you ain’t…. By God, put up or shut up!”
Lastly, the historical evidence suggests that far from being concerned about securing future generations of black votes, one of Johnson’s main worries — which, to his credit, didn’t prevent him from pushing for passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 — was losing the votes of white Southerners. His former press secretary, Bill Moyers, recounted this scene in his 2004 book Moyers on America:
When he signed the act he was euphoric, but late that very night I found him in a melancholy mood as he lay in bed reading the bulldog edition of the Washington Post with headlines celebrating the day. I asked him what was troubling him. “I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come,” he said.

MacMillan's charge against Johnson doesn't even make mathematical sense. In order to gain the overwhelming majority of the votes of 10% of the population you alienate the overwhelming majority of white voters in the south as well as millions of others in other regions who were opposed to the Civil Rights Acts? That results in a negative net loss of voters, not a gain.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Kinda like CNN's and the NYT and WaPo's unnamed sources.

You seem to be more open minded and informed than both the 4th and 9th circuit courts who seem to have taken a snapshot in time of Trump and ruled accordingly.

I bet they would have ruled against Lincoln too.

 

[xfire]

As long as you are black, and you’re gonna be black till the day you die, no one’s gonna call you by your goddamn name. So no matter what you are called, ******, you just let it roll off your back like water, and you’ll make it. Just pretend you’re a goddamn piece of furniture.

#LOL@TheLeft

#FuckTheLeft

Fuck racism, of which the left certainly has no monopoly. In fact, I've reached the point where I'm just all about fuck people that aren't nice. Any person that's not nice, expect to receive what you get, with interest.

 

[Jack Davenport]

 

[himperv203]

Dancing queen being a dancer

 

[Jack Davenport]

How demeaning to the office of the presidency. Trump picks up a Marine's cover and places it back on his head.

Doesn't he have staff or security detail for that shit?

How embarrassing!
The whole world is watching and laughing.

 

[Johan]

Oh my God, Trump picked up a marine's hat and put it back on the marine's head. Give him a medal for, make him president for life, put him on Mount Rushmore....

What is embarassing is that Trump is such a embarassment that his supporter are forced to emphasize on every of the very few things he does right, even the less relevant.
Sad.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Oh my God, Trump picked up a marine's hat and put it back on the marine's head. Give him a medal for, make him president for life, put him on Mount Rushmore....

What is embarassing is that Trump is such a embarassment that his supporter are forced to emphasize on every of the very few things he does right, even the less relevant.
Sad.

Obama or Hillary Clinton wouldn't have even noticed that it was missing.

Dollars to donuts they dont know a Coast Guard Lt.JG from a corporal in the USMC.

Doze Navy Corpsemen tho.

 

[Jack Davenport]

What is embarassing is that Trump is such a embarassment that his supporter are forced to emphasize on every of the very few things he does right, even the less relevant.
Sad.

Yeah, he was so embarrassing that he received great reviews and had a successful trip.

Bob Dole even jeopardized his establishment membership and cocktail party invitations to heap praise on him.

What is embarrassing is that girly man president and hag of a first lady that you have.

Sarkozy wasn't a pussy, at least.

 

[bodie54]

he [Trump] had a successful trip.

Fox News contributor Ralph Peters (the guy who got suspended 2 weeks for calling Obama a pussy) felt the Polish part of it was, but that Trump got "suckered" badly in Hamburg

In Warsaw on Thursday, President Trump gave the most impressive speech by a US president on European soil since Ronald Reagan raised the challenge, “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!” His speechwriter served him splendidly, deservedly praising Poland’s long struggle for freedom and repeatedly calling out Russia for its invasions, occupations and atrocities.

Then Trump met Vladimir Putin on the rim of the G-20 summit in Germany, and he fell under the same spell that had seduced three US presidents, Clinton, Bush and Obama, the latter of whom ended up as Putin’s strategic punching bag.
Listening to Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s summary of the two-hour-plus meeting was painful. The naivety on display played into Putin’s hands. We got nothing, Putin got a big win.

While it seemed a fine thing that our president brought up Russian interference in our election, Tillerson undercut it by stressing that he and the president didn’t want to re-litigate the past but seek to move forward. That was terrific news for Putin, who needs to be punished harshly for his election-meddling (yes, the Russians indisputably meddled). Russia’s new czar got a free pass for a still-to-be-issued promise not to do it again.
We held all the aces. And we folded.

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov had his say, too, not only claiming Trump accepted that Russia had not meddled in the election, but implying, in the Russian version, that Trump personally rejected the notion of Russian interference. Follow-up US denials didn’t help; the damage was done.

And that no-details-yet deal to suspend the fighting in southern Syria? The primary beneficiary — if it even works — will be Iran and its surrogates, who will be protected from interference as they tighten their grip on the border with Iraq.

The administration needs to grasp that Russia’s our enemy, and that’s because it chooses to be. The burden’s not on us to make up with Moscow, but on Putin to stop invading his neighbors, assassinating dissidents (including those in the West) and terror-bombing civilians in Syria. That’s how things could move forward.

We somehow have convinced ourselves that we need Russia’s help. That’s nonsense. Russia desperately needs our support. And it needs sanctions lifted (watch that space).
What do the Russians have? They have Putin. And he’s as canny as he is savage.

Perhaps our president will draw a lesson from the immediate propaganda use to which the Russians put this meeting.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Fox News contributor Ralph Peters (the guy who got suspended 2 weeks for calling Obama a pussy) felt the Polish part of it was, but that Trump got "suckered" badly in Hamburg

In Warsaw on Thursday, President Trump gave the most impressive speech by a US president on European soil since Ronald Reagan raised the challenge, “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!” His speechwriter served him splendidly, deservedly praising Poland’s long struggle for freedom and repeatedly calling out Russia for its invasions, occupations and atrocities.

Then Trump met Vladimir Putin on the rim of the G-20 summit in Germany, and he fell under the same spell that had seduced three US presidents, Clinton, Bush and Obama, the latter of whom ended up as Putin’s strategic punching bag.
Listening to Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s summary of the two-hour-plus meeting was painful. The naivety on display played into Putin’s hands. We got nothing, Putin got a big win.

While it seemed a fine thing that our president brought up Russian interference in our election, Tillerson undercut it by stressing that he and the president didn’t want to re-litigate the past but seek to move forward. That was terrific news for Putin, who needs to be punished harshly for his election-meddling (yes, the Russians indisputably meddled). Russia’s new czar got a free pass for a still-to-be-issued promise not to do it again.
We held all the aces. And we folded.

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov had his say, too, not only claiming Trump accepted that Russia had not meddled in the election, but implying, in the Russian version, that Trump personally rejected the notion of Russian interference. Follow-up US denials didn’t help; the damage was done.

And that no-details-yet deal to suspend the fighting in southern Syria? The primary beneficiary — if it even works — will be Iran and its surrogates, who will be protected from interference as they tighten their grip on the border with Iraq.

The administration needs to grasp that Russia’s our enemy, and that’s because it chooses to be. The burden’s not on us to make up with Moscow, but on Putin to stop invading his neighbors, assassinating dissidents (including those in the West) and terror-bombing civilians in Syria. That’s how things could move forward.

We somehow have convinced ourselves that we need Russia’s help. That’s nonsense. Russia desperately needs our support. And it needs sanctions lifted (watch that space).
What do the Russians have? They have Putin. And he’s as canny as he is savage.

Perhaps our president will draw a lesson from the immediate propaganda use to which the Russians put this meeting.

So you just copied and pasted an article that fits the narrative that you want to believe? :1orglaugh

Give me a day or so until Conservative Review offers their take and we can have a paste off.