Planned Parenthood still running. SUCK IT REPUBLICANS

[MMMariah]

Wait what are you talking about here? Now you're saying 20 weeks? You didn't specify at what point it was murder or killing as you now say.

If a baby can be taken out of the mother and live, then it's a person and should not be aborted. I didn't dodge the fucking subject. You say life is life and I said "So then sperm is life too right?" and now you're dismissing sperm as a viable argument for the pro-life bullshit.

I wouldn't kill anything with my hands unless they harmed someone I love.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

Wait what are you talking about here? Now you're saying 20 weeks? You didn't specify at what point it was murder or killing as you now say.

If a baby can be taken out of the mother and live, then it's a person and should not be aborted. I didn't dodge the fucking subject. You say life is life and I said "So then sperm is life too right?" and now you're dismissing sperm as a viable argument for the pro-life bullshit.

I wouldn't kill anything with my hands unless they harmed someone I love.

You do realize that abortion is legal at week 20 but in 3 or 4 states, right? Of course you are. Therefore of course you are once again try to dodge the subject because you are fucking damn wrong when you say that it's not killing. I never mentioned sperm, you did, so you may want to tell us if sperm is life too. After you have told us if aborting a 20 weeks old baby is killing or not and why, if possible.

I wouldn't kill anything with my hands unless they harmed someone I love.

We are not talking about anything, we are talking about that 20 weeks old baby. If he's not alive i don't see your problem in crashing him like a poop on the sidewalk. Oh right...when you abort, somebody/something else do the job for you so you don't have to use your bare hands. Is that why you don't consider it killing? If the mom from that video would have opted for aborting that baby a few hours before he came out, would that baby being killed yes or not? Is it aborting a 20 weeks baby killing him yes or not?

 

[MMMariah]

Sabrina. You are on the side of this has been defeated for 42 years and upheld by people much smarter than I. You should take your argument to them instead of with someone of my low caliber on a porn site forum.

You said killing a fetus is murder because it's life. I asked if you would also consider sperm life and therefore it being swallowed or shot into a condom or onto some tramps face filming a bukakke video also murder. If one is life why isn't the other? If one is killing why not the other? I was on set and before the pop shot the girl was saying "Give me all of those dead babies on my face" was she onto something Sabrina? Are facials murder?

 

[SabrinaDeep]

You said killing a fetus is murder because it's life. Are facials murder?

Never said it. And a sperm is not a fetus. And you keep not telling us if a baby 20 weeks old is a life or not and why. If 3 posts where i make a distinction between murder and kill are not enough for you to start calling things with their name you are a troll and not even a fine one. Go fuck yourself or learn to read/listen to people if you don't want to make a fool of yourself.

No one, neither the patient receiving the abortion, nor the person doing the abortion, is ever, at any time, unaware that they are ending a life. - Why I Am an Abortion Provider by Democrat Dr. William F. Harrison, performer of over 20,000 abortions

 

[MMMariah]

Ok Sabrina. Your nonsense of saying killing another person isn't murder, be it a fetus or not is stupid. When we follow through on capital punishment, its murder. I'm all for it too. So killing, murdering, whatever. Everything you say about me could be said about you just the same. That stings doesn't it?

Why don't you stick to the shit you know about like getting your face glazed like a fucking doughnut by a crowd of strangers and shut the fuck about things that have been asked and answered for 40 years.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

Ok Sabrina. Your nonsense of saying killing another person isn't murder, be it a fetus or not is stupid. When we follow through on capital punishment, its murder. I'm all for it too. So killing, murdering, whatever. Everything you say about me could be said about you just the same. That stings doesn't it?

Why don't you stick to the shit you know about like getting your face glazed like a fucking doughnut by a crowd of strangers and shut the fuck about things that have been asked and answered for 40 years.

Keep being a fool, Mariah:

Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

Killing: an act of causing death, especially deliberately.

That's why abortion is legal. If it wasn't, you would be a murderer and you would go to jail. According to the law you are not a murderer when you abort. Still, you kill a human life. Talk about sticking the nose on the shit you know...

What's next? I have time.

 

[MMMariah]

Of course you do. I never debated the technical definition of murder vs killing. My point is it all comes down to one person taking the life of another. Its all the same shit no matter how you define it with a dictionary.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

Of course you do. I never debated the technical definition of murder vs killing. My point is it all comes down to one person taking the life of another. Its all the same shit no matter how you define it with a dictionary.

Your nonsense of saying killing another person isn't murder...

It's not nonsense. It's the meaning of words. Performing abortion where it is legal is not murdering. If it was murdering it wouldn't be legal. It is killing though. Do we agree, finally? Is abortion killing a human life? You finally got it? Wanna stay with murder? Even worse: now you are saying that abortionists are murderers. I don't know what we are talking about.

Keep them coming.

 

[MMMariah]

Did I ever say it wasn't killing Sabrina? NO! I agree its killing but its a necessary evil. I have said I'm against it, but not against it being legal. YOU got personal with this long before I did. Yes I had an abortion. I'm not ashamed of it because I know what it would have done to my life and the life of the child. I don't regret it a single day. I hate that it happened and it affected me for years afterward so you on your fucking high horse with the rest of the people on your side of the issue have NO CONCEPT of the price paid to go through with it and should shut the FUCK up until you do.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

Did I ever say it wasn't killing Sabrina? NO! I agree its killing but its a necessary evil. I have said I'm against it, but not against it being legal. YOU got personal with this long before I did. Yes I had an abortion. I'm not ashamed of it because I know what it would have done to my life and the life of the child. I don't regret it a single day. I hate that it happened and it affected me for years afterward so you on your fucking high horse with the rest of the people on your side of the issue have NO CONCEPT of the price paid to go through with it and should shut the FUCK up until you do.

You shouldn't be ashamed to have had an abortion. I'm sure you're still have to deal with it these days and you did what you thought it was best those days. Nobody attacks you for that (to the contrary) and i never talked about shame or anything like that. I've even said that i have problems myself with the subject to discern what's right and wrong.
You, though, said that abortion is not killing, no matter what you say now and that's exactly what we arguing about since 3 hours. On the other thread you have just changed your mind again and said that it's not killing. I don't know what to think anymore. I'm going mad.

 

[MMMariah]

You said "I despise abortionists" You compared killing a fetus to killing a murderer on death row and asked how one can be for abortion but against the death penalty. YOU are the one who made those comparisons in which I disagreed and still do and always will. I have had both a child who is now 18 and an abortion. I know both sides. Do YOU? I know what it means to hold my child minutes after he was born and the love and connection. I also know what its like to have a future child aborted. The reality is that abortion is a necessary evil, something I've said more than once.

Its killing tissue but NOT a person and it's not murder as those on your side claim.

I don't know how much more clear I can be.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

Its killing tissue

Like biting your nails. Is it legal in all states, in the USA? I wouldn't want to get arrested for murdering my nails, when i visit.
It's a living human being for goo's sake. You take it out of your womb and it's alive, formed, with arms, legs a head....fuck the tissue.

 

[pool_hustler]

Speaking of killing...
I've wondered for awhile now why pro lifers don't seem to have a problem with the disposal of unused IVF embryos :dunno:

 

[Straight Shooter]

 

[SabrinaDeep]

Speaking of killing...
I've wondered for awhile now why pro lifers don't seem to have a problem with the disposal of unused IVF embryos :dunno:

Why don't you tell us why against-life people get all prude about hunting, first?

 

[pool_hustler]

Why don't you tell us why against-life people get all prude about hunting, first?

How are the two related?
We're talking about human life on this thread, no?
I'd really like to have someone address my question. I didn't post it to incite. I sincerely don't understand that seeming double standard. What am I missing about IVF embryo disposal that makes it different somehow than abortion?

 

[MMMariah]

So in that same vein of questioning why don't republicans have a problem with hunting to thin an overpopulated species? Will you argue that humans are reproducing much too quickly? I hope now because if you do I have all the data ready for you.

And honestly that sounds like a desperate attempt to make some connection. There are many democrats that hunt. I just think hunting to kill endangered species or to leave an animal to die in agony so you can have its horn or its tusk is beyond cruel and selfish.

 

[Straight Shooter]

 

[xfire]

hunting to kill endangered species or to leave an animal to die in agony so you can have its horn or its tusk is beyond cruel and selfish.

Or fin, finning is having a seriously appalling impact on the shark population. It takes more than being pro-birth to qualify for being pro-life and the GOP fails miserably.

 

[MMMariah]

dont even get me started on finning. Im going to Grand Bahama later this month to interview my hero Cristina Zenato who is in China right now advocating for sharks. We skyped yesterday and she said its like beating your head against the wall.